Do you think a uni education is a worthwhile investment ?
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there is something that is guaranteed - death.Originally posted by soul_rage:in life, there is almost never any guarantee for anything -
that's why I said life.Originally posted by Icemoon:there is something that is guaranteed - death.
aside from the end of it all, what is there that is guaranteed?
guarantee to in my opinion is just an illusion -
uni education is becoming a luxury item
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I guess you are still be living in the pre-internet age huh?
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Knowledge is power.
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haha .. death only has meaning when there is life in the first place.Originally posted by soul_rage:that's why I said life.
aside from the end of it all, what is there that is guaranteed?
guarantee to in my opinion is just an illusion
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That one was spoken by Francis Bacon.Originally posted by Gazelle:I guess you are still be living in the pre-internet age huh?
So he is living before the Scientific Revolution, 1/2 a millennium ago.
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welcome back GazelleOriginally posted by Gazelle:I guess you are still be living in the pre-internet age huh?
I was wondering where you have gone.
And no, this saying, that knowledge is power, is even more relevant now in the internet age. -
or is it the other way round?Originally posted by Icemoon:haha .. death only has meaning when there is life in the first place.
Life only has meaning when there is death in the first place? -
You mind telling us what is it so, when informations are so easily available on the internet and it is free? And what makes you knowlegde more powerful than others?Originally posted by soul_rage:welcome back Gazelle
I was wondering where you have done.
And no, this saying, that knowledge is power, is even more relevant now in the internet age. -
Lets assume a degree course costs 25k.. 25k can mostly be earned back in a year.....
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precisely coz information is now even more readily available, that people now have the ease of access to such information to make informed decisionsOriginally posted by Gazelle:You mind telling us what is it so, when informations are so easily available on the internet and it is free? And what makes you knowlegde more powerful than others?
He who controls the media controls knowledge. And that's why our media is being so tightly controlled.
For example, with the rise of Internet (another sort of media), people now have access to information outside of Singapore, and thus have more abilities to make more informed decisions or opinions of our Govt. -
Knowledge is Power : If everybody have the same knowledge and have access to the same informations and database, than how can you say you will still have power over others?Originally posted by soul_rage:precisely coz information is now even more readily available, that people now have the ease of access to such information to make informed decisions
He who controls the media controls knowledge. And that's why our media is being so tightly controlled.
For example, with the rise of Internet (another sort of media), people now have access to information outside of Singapore, and thus have more abilities to make more informed decisions or opinions of our Govt.
Is our media so tightly controlled? How often do you encounter website that are blocked by our government? -
well am talking about our local media, which is ranked low in the world in terms of media freedom. Control of internet? Some minister tried before and failed.Originally posted by Gazelle:Knowledge is Power : If everybody have the same knowledge and have access to the same informations and database, than how can you say you will still have power over others?
Is our media so tightly controlled? How often do you encounter website that are blocked by our government?
And so what if you have access to the same info and database? You must be able to find the relevant info and use it. People can get overwhelmed if they are thrown too much at one go. We are given the same textbooks during our studies, doesn't mean that everyone will perform equally.
But ya I agree, perhaps we should have an explanation to the saying, that the ability to wield knowledge is the key to strength.
I am very willing to share my knowledge to others, coz I know not everyone can wield the information given to them in the same way. A person can be given a secret manual, but if he doesn't have the ability to apply, its useless to him. -
1) Can you explain how local media freedom will affect your ability to gain knowledge and enrich yourself and be succesful in your career after your graduation?Originally posted by soul_rage:well am talking about our local media, which is ranked low in the world in terms of media freedom. Control of internet? Some minister tried before and failed.
And so what if you have access to the same info and database? You must be able to find the relevant info and use it. People can get overwhelmed if they are thrown too much at one go. We are given the same textbooks during our studies, doesn't mean that everyone will perform equally.
But ya I agree, perhaps we should have an explanation to the saying, that the ability to wield knowledge is the key to strength.
I am very willing to share my knowledge to others, coz I know not everyone can wield the information given to them in the same way. A person can be given a secret manual, but if he doesn't have the ability to apply, its useless to him.
2) Without knowing what others knew, how can you assuming that your knowledge is more superior than others?
3) Do you think you are capable for buiding a nuke bomb or arrange a piece of concerto if i provide you with the "secret" manual? -
1) I thought we were moving into discussions of overall knowledge, not about career success.Originally posted by Gazelle:1) Can you explain how local media freedom will affect your ability to gain knowledge and enrich yourself and be succesful in your career after your graduation?
2) Without knowing what others knew, how can you assuming that your knowledge is more superior than others?
3) Do you think you are capable for buiding a nuke bomb or arrange a piece of concerto if i provide you with the "secret" manual?
2) No I did not say my overall knowledge is superior than others. I just said that the things I know for my area are far superior than others based on my performance, which is a clear KPI to indicate I am better. But yes, I need to clarify, thanks for reminding me
3) Based on 2, yup I won't know, coz I can't wield the info in those areas since I am not good in those areas
So there you have it, you can have the information, but if you cannot wield it, then its useless
PS are we moving out of topic? if so appreciate you and I take this debate out of this thread. -
Apparently what the article is saying that student in UK will be about 30K pound in debt after finishing their degree. That is about S$100K.Originally posted by snobbish:Lets assume a degree course costs 25k.. 25k can mostly be earned back in a year.....
No matter what the cost is, I think a degree or diploma is still a must in our society because Singapore has to move up the value chain to compete with India and China and the type of FDI we are attracting will also be more knowledge based oriented.
However a university education can only serve as a foundation, it doesnÂ’t make you an instant success in your career. From my observation, the biggest obstacle for todayÂ’s fresh graduates is the hardship they will face during their first 2 to 3 years of working life. Most will fall out after 1 year and then hop to another job and repeat the same cycle again. Those who endure and remain are usually the ones that will gain the most.
One has to remember that working 10 years for 5 different companies in 5 different industries, is not the same as working 10 years with 2 companies in the same industry. -
Question.Originally posted by Gazelle:Apparently what the article is saying that student in UK will be about 30K pound in debt after finishing their degree. That is about S$100K.
No matter what the cost is, I think a degree or diploma is still a must in our society because Singapore has to move up the value chain to compete with India and China and the type of FDI we are attracting will also be more knowledge based oriented.
However a university education can only serve as a foundation, it doesnÂ’t make you an instant success in your career. From my observation, the biggest obstacle for todayÂ’s fresh graduates is the hardship they will face during their first 2 to 3 years of working life. Most will fall out after 1 year and then hop to another job and repeat the same cycle again. Those who endure and remain are usually the ones that will gain the most.
One has to remember that working 10 years for 5 different companies in 5 different industries, is not the same as working 10 years with 2 companies in the same industry.
In your opinion, diverse industrial knowledge is not as good as specific industrial knowledge?
I know of companies that prefer their candidates to have knowledge from different industries which can then help with improving their business.
The ones so far that are more specific (and require specific exp) from what I see are banking, and hotel industries. -
A pretty face guarantees employment!Originally posted by iLuVpOrKyPiG:it doesnt guarantee employment. -
It is difficult to control acess to internet unless people were banned from owning computers.Originally posted by Gazelle:Knowledge is Power : If everybody have the same knowledge and have access to the same informations and database, than how can you say you will still have power over others?
Is our media so tightly controlled? How often do you encounter website that are blocked by our government? -
Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:
not necessary
[b]A pretty face guarantees employment![/b]
but a pretty face gives you a distinct advantage, coz human beings are impacted by 1st impressions. -
not really. Saudi has been very successful in preventing people from visiting site which deem unsuitable in the name of islam. e.g. gambling, porn etc.Originally posted by will4:It is difficult to control acess to internet unless people were banned from owning computers. -
Yes, jack of all trade master of none are usually useless and will never be given the job to lead the company. Plus you will never be head-hunted.Originally posted by soul_rage:Question.
In your opinion, diverse industrial knowledge is not as good as specific industrial knowledge?
I know of companies that prefer their candidates to have knowledge from different industries which can then help with improving their business.
The ones so far that are more specific (and require specific exp) from what I see are banking, and hotel industries. -
hmm.. in the 1st place, isn't management a generic type of experience, which can be transferred across industries?Originally posted by Gazelle:Yes, jack of all trade master of none are usually useless and will never be given the job to lead the company. Plus you will never be head-hunted.
I mean, at the lower end of the scale, yes, if one moves around too much, and don't get to understand enough when one needs to sharpen his foundation knowledge, then yes, they are not valued. For eg, doing technical IT, and then moving to do sales, then move to do business operations. Yes, this shows a distinct loss of value whenever this person moves, coz like you said, a jack of all trades.
However, at a higher level, such as a business consultant or a manager, I doubt there is this issue, becoz his skills of business consultancy or management, can be applied across many industries
Then again, maybe its how we define hopping industries
- COMPLETELY changing basic domain such as a IT developer hopping to sell OSIM chairs, and then hopping to do sales operations
- Retaining basic domain but moving across different industries. Such as staying in IT management, and hopping across different industries
The 2nd isn't a jack of all trades. -
1) For a fresh grad without working experience, do you get to become take up a management role?Originally posted by soul_rage:hmm.. in the 1st place, isn't management a generic type of experience, which can be transferred across industries?
I mean, at the lower end of the scale, yes, if one moves around too much, and don't get to understand enough when one needs to sharpen his foundation knowledge, then yes, they are not valued. For eg, doing technical IT, and then moving to do sales, then move to do business operations. Yes, this shows a distinct loss of value whenever this person moves, coz like you said, a jack of all trades.
However, at a higher level, such as a business consultant or a manager, I doubt there is this issue, becoz his skills of business consultancy or management, can be applied across many industries
Then again, maybe its how we define hopping industries
- COMPLETELY changing basic domain such as a IT developer hopping to sell OSIM chairs, and then hopping to do sales operations
- Retaining basic domain but moving across different industries. Such as staying in IT management, and hopping across different industries
The 2nd isn't a jack of all trades.
2) If your IT experience is in networking, will you be good enough to manage a team of software engineers? -
1) If you are restricting it to fresh grads, then yes, I concurOriginally posted by Gazelle:1) For a fresh grad without working experience, do you get to become take up a management role?
2) If your IT experience is in networking, will you be good enough to manage a team of software engineers?
2) in terms of IT, yes, you can. As long as the basic foundations are there, yes, its possible. I have seen some of my friends transit between successfully.