What does our flag mean to you?
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Well of course no problem if it is legit and it was designed with good intentions...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, the New Paper had an article and they featured a chap who designed his own version of the flag.
... I don't think any government would feel delighted if they find their country's flag mockingly depicted? -
True.Originally posted by HyperFocal:Well of course no problem if it is legit and it was designed with good intentions...
... I don't think any government would feel delighted if they find their country's flag mockingly depicted?
But then again, if it's another design, it's not our flag anymore. That's the other side of the coin.
We cannot use the State Flag in any disrespectful manner, but the law is out on creating your own version of the flag, because that version has no official sanction, and may not be State Property at all.
But I would say that we should still keep some things in fair taste. -
You all know how TENACIOUSLY LEGALISTIC our government is...
why give them a good reason as a 'handle' to handle you....? -
Privacy laws are a subject of the EU member states - it doesn't come under the European Courts' jurisdiction. That's irrelevant in that context. After all, as someone has pointed out, the UK too is a member of the EU and if the Finns aren't going to turn over details on the basis of some despots' wanton claims, why should the Brits be duty-bound to do so?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Finland is part of EU, which have privacy laws as far as I know. That alone is enough to stop the government in their tracks. Therefore, they couldn't get the Finns to do anything. And Finland is much more open than us, I doubt they would label it as derogatory, which our government can do nothing about.
If they attempted bribes, they have chosen the wrong target.
Obviously, as Franklin Roosevelt aptly puts it, "The only thing to fear is fear itself".
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Most of such cases occur as a consequence of the rogue regimes - this regime is not the only one guilty of such nonsense - offering something to entice the portal hosting whatever contents regarded as a threat to their interests.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Not exactly, you still have to see laws and T&C of the website hoster. If businesses have precedence over laws, the government will have rights to obtain all or some info or even work with local police and trace. If laws have precedence over businesses, then it's OK, like in the Finnish example.
The bloggers that are charged, have their blogs hosted overseas, but companies rules first, laws second, therefore the government could successfully charge the racist bloggers.
The point is, in most instances, the domestic laws neither specifically advocates nor objects to portals and web serving hosts turning over information to a foreign authority and more often than not, it's at the sole discretion of the portal(s) to decide if they should pursue such a course of action. -
Do you actually mean "a politicised and corrupt judiciary running on fascist principles"?Originally posted by HyperFocal:You all know how TENACIOUSLY LEGALISTIC our government is...
why give them a good reason as a 'handle' to handle you....? -
Yup, it's at the sole discretion of the website host to release such info, but some countries do have laws to protect against that.Originally posted by walesa:Most of such cases occur as a consequence of the rogue regimes - this regime is not the only one guilty of such nonsense - offering something to entice the portal hosting whatever contents regarded as a threat to their interests.
The point is, in most instances, the domestic laws neither specifically advocates nor objects to portals and web serving hosts turning over information to a foreign authority and more often than not, it's at the sole discretion of the portal(s) to decide if they should pursue such a course of action.
That means businesses rules will never go on top of country laws. I can't recall a case whereby some country did that (which by the way is similar to Singapore in some ways, in terms of politics).
The government in question couldn't do ask website hoster to shut it down, because the country's laws doesn't allow it. They went to courts for that, and the case was thrown out in the end. Freedom of speech was the answer, which was why it was thrown out. Plus the fact that the site doesn't write anything for the sake of doing so; it has evidence. -
If they want, nothing is really so impossible.Originally posted by HyperFocal:You all know how TENACIOUSLY LEGALISTIC our government is...
why give them a good reason as a 'handle' to handle you....? -
That makes perfect sense and sort of reinforces the notion that the only way this regime is going to "fix" its unwelcomed detractors would be through enticement and bribery...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Yup, it's at the sole discretion of the website host to release such info, but some countries do have laws to protect against that.
That means businesses rules will never go on top of country laws. I can't recall a case whereby some country did that (which by the way is similar to Singapore in some ways, in terms of politics).
The government in question couldn't do ask website hoster to shut it down, because the country's laws doesn't allow it. They went to courts for that, and the case was thrown out in the end. Freedom of speech was the answer, which was why it was thrown out. Plus the fact that the site doesn't write anything for the sake of doing so; it has evidence. -
with this kind of attitude how can we hope for change? we all hate the PAP yet we cower instead of making a standOriginally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Look people, however you hate the PAP and stuff and I do agree, get rid of the pics (except that kiddy drawing maybe) as we don't want to have this forum shut down. -
Why are you not defacing the PAP logo? Leave the Singapore flag alone and vent your anger on the real cause of the anguish.
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Go troll somewhere else...Originally posted by av98m:Why are you not defacing the PAP logo? Leave the Singapore flag alone and vent your anger on the real cause of the anguish. -
i kinda thinking of burning the flag since the symbols dun mean anything to me anymore. esp the government we have made me disgusted of my country.
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want to do, please do it secretly and discretely. if not later ppl poh mata.Originally posted by 798:i kinda thinking of burning the flag since the symbols dun mean anything to me anymore. esp the government we have made me disgusted of my country. -
if u're touring overseas and see ppl burn singapore flag, will u join them?
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depends on why are they burning it...Originally posted by ^tamago^:if u're touring overseas and see ppl burn singapore flag, will u join them? -
Its a perfectly reasonable question no? You guys say you hate the PAP but go about defacing the Singapore flag instead of their party bannerOriginally posted by HyperFocal:Go troll somewhere else... -
I will just walk away. If people are burning Singapore flag, you would be foolish to try to stop them, and in the process also expose your identity as a Singaporean.Originally posted by ^tamago^:if u're touring overseas and see ppl burn singapore flag, will u join them?
Anyway, has anyone noticed that this year's national day flags have decreased drastically? I used to see people hanging their flags as early as two or three weeks before national day but now it's only a week away but I see only a handful of flags in my estate. -
okay fuckheads!
the flag means EVERYTHING to me...
you asswipes who cannot differentiate between the accursed PARTY which you say you hate, and the country which is NOT the fucking PARTY are part of the problem...
SO FUCKING STOP DEFACING THE FLAG!!
and if you call me a troll, you are even bigger idiots than i can give you discredit for -
btw, shutterbug, you are a troll...
you don't have a solution to anything but take gratification in senseless and destructive criticism of everything...
learn that the country and THAT party are different things...
and maybe.... just maybe.. you will stop being a slave to THAT party and being a cog in their giant machine -
With all due respect, the fine distinction between the party, the government and the country is starting to grey.Originally posted by the Bear:btw, shutterbug, you are a troll...
you don't have a solution to anything but take gratification in senseless and destructive criticism of everything...
learn that the country and THAT party are different things...
and maybe.... just maybe.. you will stop being a slave to THAT party and being a cog in their giant machine -
If you will, kindly note that I DID NOT posted any of those defaced flags. In fact, I advised all those who did to remove them.Originally posted by the Bear:btw, shutterbug, you are a troll...
you don't have a solution to anything but take gratification in senseless and destructive criticism of everything...
learn that the country and THAT party are different things...
and maybe.... just maybe.. you will stop being a slave to THAT party and being a cog in their giant machine
This thread asked WHAT does our flag mean to people. Not, how should the flag be re-designed.
And even if ANY of us have a solution. you really believed that it will be taken seriously into their almighty considerations?
And indeed, the distinction between the national flag and the party's, has grey significantly over the decade... -
Then it is up to us, the people of Singapore, to make the distinction clearer!Originally posted by binarynwitz:With all due respect, the fine distinction between the party, the government and the country is starting to grey.
Bloody hell... shame on all of you who freakin' dare to deface our flag!!! -
letsnot forget the ISA where no need to announce reason to detain any one indefinitelyOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:If they want, nothing is really so impossible. -
If we do not reverse that greying, what will we tell our kids? That Daddy and Mommy were little wimps who couldn't do anything?Originally posted by binarynwitz:With all due respect, the fine distinction between the party, the government and the country is starting to grey.
If you want to deface anything, by all means go deface party logos. Those are not State Property.