$888 for a box of mooncakes?
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A lot of them have nothing left to save (thanks to your beloved gov who been raising living expenses year after year).Originally posted by Mat Toro:yes, dunno how to spend and dunno how to save. -
actually I believed the better life right to say in statistical point of view... it is not the improvement of lives for EVERY single singaporean which is impossible... but the improvement of lifes for Majority of the Singaporean... Sadly to say these retrenched senior worker are a by product of this competitive market.
Looking at places like USA and Japan or even the booming China, Singapore is quite a nice place atually. -
Mmmh, frankly speaking... do you feel the quality of life is improving for Singaporeans in general? The fact that our CPF withdrawal is about to be pushed back to 65 years old tells you alot that something is wrong wrong wrong.Originally posted by banzie:actually I believed the better life right to say in statistical point of view... it is not the improvement of lives for EVERY single singaporean which is impossible... but the improvement of lifes for Majority of the Singaporean... Sadly to say these retrenched senior worker are a by product of this competitive market.
Looking at places like USA and Japan or even the booming China, Singapore is quite a nice place atually. -
not true, they have nothing to save because they dunno how to spend.Originally posted by royston_ang:A lot of them have nothing left to save (thanks to your beloved gov who been raising living expenses year after year). -
What do they spend on?Originally posted by Mat Toro:yes, dunno how to spend and dunno how to save. -
$888 i sell =P
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Oh? From the below extract, how would you advice Madam Aishan to save from her monthly wages of only $400? I sure would like to hear how you can survive on just $400, having to spent on daily necessities like transport, food, housing, etc, and yet be able to save.Originally posted by Mat Toro:not true, they have nothing to save because they dunno how to spend.
Ya, tell us how (please include all the breakdown).
Straits Times
S'pore's dirty secret
They keep offices, shopping centres and the roads clean. But their wages look shabby compared to the rest of boomtown Singapore. SUE-ANN CHIA finds out why the pay of cleaners and labourers declined over the past decade
EVERY DAY, Madam Aishah Mohamed Yunos, 30, toils at four blocks in a Bukit Panjang housing estate, wiping walls and lifts and sweeping and mopping floors.
The neighbourhood is spick and span. But the job pays crumbs.
At least that is what Madam Aishah feels when she pockets her monthly wages of $400. If that's not lousy enough, she has not had a pay rise in two years on the job. ... -
Originally posted by royston_ang:
nahhh.. don't waste your cyber-breath... he's just stirring up everyone's emotions and patients....
Oh? From the below extract, how would you advice Madam Aishan to save from her monthly wages of only $400? I sure would like to hear how you can survive on just $400, having to spent on daily necessities like transport, food, housing, etc, and yet be able to save.
[b]Ya, tell us how (please include all the breakdown).
Straits Times
S'pore's dirty secret
They keep offices, shopping centres and the roads clean. But their wages look shabby compared to the rest of boomtown Singapore. SUE-ANN CHIA finds out why the pay of cleaners and labourers declined over the past decade
EVERY DAY, Madam Aishah Mohamed Yunos, 30, toils at four blocks in a Bukit Panjang housing estate, wiping walls and lifts and sweeping and mopping floors.
The neighbourhood is spick and span. But the job pays crumbs.
At least that is what Madam Aishah feels when she pockets her monthly wages of $400. If that's not lousy enough, she has not had a pay rise in two years on the job. ...
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What reason he refused it?Originally posted by Mat Toro:The income gap is not the fault of the govt.
I remember the case of an employed man and his son living in an empty flat.
He turned down a job.
The problem with most singaporeans is, they tend to look to the govt for solutions for everything, even their own private matters. -
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Originally posted by Mat Toro:
The income gap is not the fault of the govt.
I remember the case of an employed man and his son living in an empty flat.
He turned down a job.
The problem with most singaporeans is, they tend to look to the govt for solutions for everything, even their own private matters.
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SOME people tended to look to the government for help in most everything BECAUSE the government wants to and have been controlling everyone's lives ... who else to look to other than the ones holding on to the people's money??
look at CPF monies, ... which by the way, was supposed to ENSURE people can "retire" ... but it is FAILING because it is Fundamentally Flawed...and it is hence progressively postponed further and further away from people...
Lets not talk about people looking to them for solutions; look at the Dengue problem, have they found a way to eradicate it instead of Firfighting each time Dengue Season comes around?? It's been friggin decades and its still a problem...!!!
Let me tell you lah... they only interested in money making, and counting money..... nothing else... -
I thought the problem has stopped for the time being?Originally posted by HyperFocal:quote:
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Originally posted by Mat Toro:
The income gap is not the fault of the govt.
I remember the case of an employed man and his son living in an empty flat.
He turned down a job.
The problem with most singaporeans is, they tend to look to the govt for solutions for everything, even their own private matters.
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SOME people tended to look to the government for help in most everything BECAUSE the government wants to and have been controlling everyone's lives ... who else to look to other than the ones holding on to the people's money??
look at CPF monies, ... which by the way, was supposed to ENSURE people can "retire" ... but it is FAILING because it is Fundamentally Flawed...and it is hence progressively postponed further and further away from people...
Lets not talk about people looking to them for solutions; look at the Dengue problem, have they found a way to eradicate it instead of Firfighting each time Dengue Season comes around?? It's been friggin decades and its still a problem...!!!
Let me tell you lah... they only interested in money making, and counting money..... nothing else... -
Originally posted by HyperFocal:
Bad excuse.
SOME people tended to look to the government for help in most everything BECAUSE the government wants to and have been controlling everyone's lives ... who else to look to other than the ones holding on to the people's money??
I don't feel that the govt is controlling my life at all.
because people live longer. it makes perfect sense.
look at CPF monies, ... which by the way, was supposed to ENSURE people can "retire" ... but it is FAILING because it is Fundamentally Flawed...and it is hence progressively postponed further and further away from people...
Has anyone found a way to eradicate dengue from the world?
Lets not talk about people looking to them for solutions; look at the Dengue problem, have they found a way to eradicate it instead of Firfighting each time Dengue Season comes around?? It's been friggin decades and its still a problem...!!!
Let me tell you lah... they only interested in money making, and counting money..... nothing else... -
it's either a lie, you are the govt or the govt must be doing really bad to reach out to u.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Bad excuse.
I don't feel that the govt is controlling my life at all.
the problem is, the money is not the govt's to begin with. are u taking us for a ride and change the goalposts whenever you like?Originally posted by Mat Toro:because people live longer. it makes perfect sense.
So why are we paying millions of dollars for goods that just would not deliver?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Has anyone found a way to eradicate dengue from the world? -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:
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Bad excuse.
I don't feel that the govt is controlling my life at all.
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Then why the hell are you here, licking their boots?
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because people live longer. it makes perfect sense.
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.. the longer people lives, the more they need their money for medical treatments... by holding on to their monies, many may not make it to 65 to see any Golden Years left...!
Many people who are above 55 are suffering from some kind of ailment, commonly diabetes, high blood presssure, heart proplems... as such employers shun them which puts them in a spot without job to fund their treatments, while, their money is stuck in CPF - Medisave is totally useless; how is a person to foot any percentage of the medical bill when jobless, and retirement funds are only touchable at 65 and even then, it is a monthly of around $300?
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Has anyone found a way to eradicate dengue from the world?
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Are countries in this world as small as Singapore?
Lame as hell you are... somethings as invisible as SARS they can contain and control... but Dengue being so visible and tangible cannot be controlled in 4 farking decades???
Hey man, the government ought to pay you more to be more efficient in your arguments in here lah...
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so?Originally posted by Mat Toro:If you help out with the CDCs, you will see many of these poor who dunno how to manage their money. A financial planning fren of time who volunteered told me about it. I myself met a guy who earns about $1700 per month who drink and gamble regularly and also borrow money from everyone he knows.
but cpf is our money!!!
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just because it is your money does not mean you know how to manege it.
many took their retire money and gamble or went into bad investments and lost it. -
forget it. its obvious you are arguing just for the sake of it.Originally posted by Mat Toro:just because it is your money does not mean you know how to manege it.
many took their retire money and gamble or went into bad investments and lost it. -
i am talking facts. I have seen retirees gambling away their money. Its not a nice situation.
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he thinks he knows everything like the govt but has yet to prove tat it can deliver.Originally posted by dragg:forget it. its obvious you are arguing just for the sake of it. -
Everybody, we all should do well to ignore this Toro fellow...
he's here picking verbal fights with everyone, and in effect, distracting every topic...
this I believe is his objective...
from here henceforth, EVERYONE please ignore his caustic remarks...
so far, as evident in every thread, he's proven to be nothing but a pain in everyone's ass... -
you see, when you cannot take on reason ands logic, you run away.
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So how do you intend to live on $400?Originally posted by Mat Toro:you see, when you cannot take on reason ands logic, you run away. -
OK, are you then willing to pay more for conservancy? Thats my point. When faced with it, he ran away.Originally posted by ^tamago^:So how do you intend to live on $400? -
Will you guarantee that costs won't be depressed by the import of cheap labour? The onus does not lie with us.Originally posted by Mat Toro:OK, are you then willing to pay more for conservancy? Thats my point. When faced with it, he ran away. -
if you are willing to pay, the cleaners will get a better wage and more singaporeans will work as cleaners so we won't need to hire foreigners.