How inflential is MM Lee with other leaders in the region?
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Agreeably, he makes a great business man...Originally posted by Gazelle:http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/press/2006/060905c.htm
SingaporeÂ’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew Appointed Special Advisor to Citigroup
New York – Citigroup Inc. today announced that Singapore’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has agreed to be its Special Advisor. In this role, Minister Mentor Lee will advise Citigroup on its strategic directions and global business. Minister Mentor Lee will provide counsel to Citigroup’s senior management and its Board on international developments that impact on economies and businesses globally.
Commenting on this appointment, Citigroup’s Chairman and CEO Charles Prince said, “Minister Mentor Lee is a modern-day visionary and a unique statesman who is respected world-wide, and it is a privilege for Citigroup to benefit from his understanding, insights and experience. I am honored that Minister Mentor Lee has chosen to be a special advisor to Citigroup and look forward to having the opportunity to work closely with him as we pursue our international growth strategy.”
Minister Mentor Lee is widely recognized as the architect of modern Singapore having transformed the island state from a small trading port into a city state that takes its place amongst the developed countries of the world. He led Singapore as its first Prime Minister from 1965 to 1990 developing the nationÂ’s constitutional system, governing institutions and the economic and political strategies that have propelled the nation into the international arena. In 1990, Mr. Lee was appointed Senior Minister and in 2004, he became Minister Mentor to the Singapore government.
Citigroup has been in Singapore since 1902. The franchise plays a significant role in the financial infrastructure of Singapore and is involved in every business line and client category in financial services. Singapore is a key centre of excellence in Asia and a strategic hub for CitigroupÂ’s regional management, marketing, operations and technology expertise.
good in business and commerce only...
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He did great for our country. I think you talk rubbish mr.hyper. i suggest you migrate.
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In your opinion what is a good country? And given a chance and going back 43 years, how would you run Singapore?Originally posted by HyperFocal:Agreeably, he makes a great business man...
good in business and commerce only...
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Well, the man did help to create a country where nuances are lost in translation and that her people, by and large, are in passionate love with the zero-sum game.Originally posted by Mat Toro:He did great for our country. I think you talk rubbish mr.hyper. i suggest you migrate. -
hmm.. as a minister mentor? isn;t he still employed under the state of singapore? his salary as well as other benefits paid for by the state? correct me if i am wrong?Originally posted by Gazelle:http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/press/2006/060905c.htm
Singapore’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew Appointed Special Advisor to Citigroup
New York – Citigroup Inc. today announced that Singapore’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew has agreed to be its Special Advisor. In this role, Minister Mentor Lee will advise Citigroup on its strategic directions and global business. Minister Mentor Lee will provide counsel to Citigroup’s senior management and its Board on international developments that impact on economies and businesses globally.
Commenting on this appointment, Citigroup’s Chairman and CEO Charles Prince said, “Minister Mentor Lee is a modern-day visionary and a unique statesman who is respected world-wide, and it is a privilege for Citigroup to benefit from his understanding, insights and experience. I am honored that Minister Mentor Lee has chosen to be a special advisor to Citigroup and look forward to having the opportunity to work closely with him as we pursue our international growth strategy.”
Minister Mentor Lee is widely recognized as the architect of modern Singapore having transformed the island state from a small trading port into a city state that takes its place amongst the developed countries of the world. He led Singapore as its first Prime Minister from 1965 to 1990 developing the nation’s constitutional system, governing institutions and the economic and political strategies that have propelled the nation into the international arena. In 1990, Mr. Lee was appointed Senior Minister and in 2004, he became Minister Mentor to the Singapore government.
Citigroup has been in Singapore since 1902. The franchise plays a significant role in the financial infrastructure of Singapore and is involved in every business line and client category in financial services. Singapore is a key centre of excellence in Asia and a strategic hub for Citigroup’s regional management, marketing, operations and technology expertise.
so why does he accept a post as a special advisor to citibank? a private corporation when he's still a minister mentor? its not like hes just a mp or something..
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I don't see why not.
As an advisor to a major bank, he can influence decisions that wil benefit Singapore. -
The man makes the Law here.. he IS the Law here.. hence he may and can bend the rules or Laws...Originally posted by 4getmenot:hmm.. as a minister mentor? isn;t he still employed under the state of singapore? his salary as well as other benefits paid for by the state? correct me if i am wrong?
so why does he accept a post as a special advisor to citibank? a private corporation when he's still a minister mentor? its not like hes just a mp or something..
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Hey bro.. I believe these are the so called Internet Agents the government set up to "interact" with us...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, the man did help to create a country where nuances are lost in translation and that her people, by and large, are in passionate love with the zero-sum game.
can't you see they're just detracting and distracting the entire thread?
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This is true especially Spore is well poised to become a financial centre.Originally posted by Mat Toro:I don't see why not.
As an advisor to a major bank, he can influence decisions that wil benefit Singapore. -
I don't need to be told you're delusional. I know you're.Originally posted by Mat Toro:the achievements of LKY is actually underated.
I have been told by foreigners many times that they wish LKY ran their country.
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This is one of the countless ploys this regime has been churning out over the years. This regime too aspired to be an IT hub and a life science hub, but do you see investments pouring into Singapore on a scale that comes remotely close to toppling what you see in the US and Germany respectively?Originally posted by will4:This is true especially Spore is well poised to become a financial centre.
The financial hub they'll ever be will restrict them to just being the best in this region - I don't see them surpassing Hong Kong (who very rightly aspire to the standards set by New York and London instead of just wanting to outperform this regime) in NE Asia and certainly, this regime's financial muscle will never come anywhere close to running London, Geneva, Frankfurt or New York close.
What you have is no more than the wild fantasy of a very good Sunday League footballer aspiring to play for the Manchester Uniteds or Real Madrids of this world... -
Believe me, I was telling everyone who cared to listen, about this a long time ago.Originally posted by HyperFocal:Hey bro.. I believe these are the so called Internet Agents the government set up to "interact" with us...
can't you see they're just detracting and distracting the entire thread?
IGNORE...
It's alright, these clowns help to make me laugh.. -
i think other leaders in the region hold LKY in high regard because of what he has done for Singapore.....
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Hmmm....interesting horr....OK loh....I also talk abit...
Lee Kuan Yew is indeed an interesting man, you can go to his wikipedia page, and read some of his interviews.
For sure, he is a strong man, with bold thinking, very strategic, and very knowledgable. He can see the big picture and think ahead, and can analyze societies. He is wide read, in history, in politics, and sociology. He is no-nonsense, quick, and decisive.
Other than this, he has a way in conveying his views forcefully. He is talented, he can speak out in an articulate way, a good orator and debator.
So, those are the good points about him.
Bad points is....as he grow older, it seem he is indulging in more and more self-aggrandizement. This might give the impression that he is arogant.
OK.....those are my impression of him.
Now....come the part...about his contribution to Singapore.
I think he is a remarkable man, however, Singapore progress is not entirely because of him, or even of his counterparts such as Devan Nair, Poh Chin Chye, Goh Keng Swee, etc. It is more to do with the people, the anthropological aspect. The people of Singapore has the right characteristics.
For my prove, just look at Korea, advanced country. Japan, advanced country. Hong Kong. And also now China is growing rapidly.
Singapore development is because the people of Singapore consists of immigrants who are hard working and infused in Confusian and other Asian values which prize thriftiness, sacrifice for future, respect for elderly and authority, respect of scholarly persuit, and other characters.
In Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, similar traits can be found. Low crime rate, respect for elderly, and high educational attainment, other than high economic prosperity, become the traits of these countries, very much similar with Singapore.
So....
We dont see any leader of Japan, Korea, or Hong Kong taking the limelight, and saying 'this country become like this because of my brilliance'. Wrong! A country is a very complex collective society, and not 1 organization or much less 1 person can steer it from what its underlying natural social characteristics are.
Another prove....what is the most advanced country in Africa?
South Africa.
Again, same, we dont see any leader of South Africa, saying 'This country become like this because of my brilliance' while comparing it to another African country such as Uganda or something. Why? Because it is very clear, it is not 1 person contribution, the underlying society of South Africa is different from that of Uganda. Anthropology. The composition, value, characteristics, of the people making up the society is the real driving force behind any country. Not 1 person or a group of persons.
So I believe....in this regard.....Lee Kuan Yew might be abit too exalted and the common people of Singapore might be abit overlooked.
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Ei.....about that biohub....financial hub...IT hub....dont play play....if any country can do it in this world, it is Singapore.
Trust me.
If you make comparisons...lets say the financial hub......if we make comparisons with New York, London....of course Singapore lose.....Singapore is under them. But that is missing the point.....The point is USA is rich, big country, many millionaires and billionaires. Many hedge funds. Of course their financial center is big. They are a country with 300 million people. The richest country in the world. Their center, New York, pull all this money, together with money from the rest of the world.
Now Singapore, a country with 4 million, half a world away, in South East Asia. A developing world region. Not many millionaires and billionaires. Not many hedge funds. Dont have the same environment.
So if we compare straightforward New York with Singapore.....or other types of hubs such as Sillicon Valley with Singapore etc....in many aspects Singapore will lose and will continue to lose, forever and ever, because the hinterland is different. It is almost non-existent in Singapore. But not bad, because Singapore can still manage to pull abit abit from all those different hinterlands in the world, to make them to come some into Singapore. So in this regard Singapore must be measured. And in this regard Singapore can be said as successful, because it can turn nothing into at least something.
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What are you talking about? If it's the numbers game you're making a case for, shouldn't China and India be the richest countries on the planet instead of the US?Originally posted by Meat Pao:Ei.....about that biohub....financial hub...IT hub....dont play play....if any country can do it in this world, it is Singapore.
Trust me.
If you make comparisons...lets say the financial hub......if we make comparisons with New York, London....of course Singapore lose.....Singapore is under them. But that is missing the point.....The point is USA is rich, big country, many millionaires and billionaires. Many hedge funds. Of course their financial center is big. They are a country with 300 million people. The richest country in the world. Their center, New York, pull all this money, together with money from the rest of the world.
Now Singapore, a country with 4 million, half a world away, in South East Asia. A developing world region. Not many millionaires and billionaires. Not many hedge funds. Dont have the same environment.
So if we compare straightforward New York with Singapore.....or other types of hubs such as Sillicon Valley with Singapore etc....in many aspects Singapore will lose and will continue to lose, forever and ever, because the hinterland is different. It is almost non-existent in Singapore. But not bad, because Singapore can still manage to pull abit abit from all those different hinterlands in the world, to make them to come some into Singapore. So in this regard Singapore must be measured. And in this regard Singapore can be said as successful, because it can turn nothing into at least something.
Meat Pao.
If it's economic achievement you want to talk about, why not compare what this regime has achieved to the Nordic nations, Luxembourg and Iceland? These countries' populations do not differ too much from this regime's (Iceland and Luxembourg combined would yield a population of just 1 million, yet their GDP per capita combined would be 4 times Singapore's). -
Im talking about the different hubs....
IT hub....biohub.....financial hub.....all this.
In some ways Singapore is already successful.
I think financial hub is successful already loh......biohub is newer so maybe it takes more time.
Nordic countries...hmm not sure what kind of hubs they have....I know Nokia is from Nordic country....but not sure if they have a wider telco hub, or IT hub, and about financial hub, I definitely never heard.
Meat Pao. -
Oh yes. LKY is a great man......Such great man from Singapore is of the same league as the late Chinese leader Mao Zedong.
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more than that, what he has done for the region and the world.Originally posted by sg mata:i think other leaders in the region hold LKY in high regard because of what he has done for Singapore.....
SE Asia is a much better place because of what he had done thru Singapore. -
Can't say the same about LHL though....
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There really isn't a need for clearly-demarcated hubs in those countries. As Atobe has already covered in some other threads, the entrepreneurial culture is infused in those societies - incidentally, it's no surprise why there are so many startups in those countries which also happen to be much more prosperous. If anything, they're sufficient proof of what countries with small populations can achieve.Originally posted by Meat Pao:Im talking about the different hubs....
IT hub....biohub.....financial hub.....all this.
In some ways Singapore is already successful.
I think financial hub is successful already loh......biohub is newer so maybe it takes more time.
Nordic countries...hmm not sure what kind of hubs they have....I know Nokia is from Nordic country....but not sure if they have a wider telco hub, or IT hub, and about financial hub, I definitely never heard.
Meat Pao.
Needless to say, there's an awful lot more things this regime wouldn't like you to hear of those countries (like how they could prosper with a coalition government with no leader drawing million-dollar salaries and a social safety net that would put this regime to shame)... -
I fully agree with what you said...Originally posted by Meat Pao:Hmmm....interesting horr....OK loh....I also talk abit...
Lee Kuan Yew is indeed an interesting man, you can go to his wikipedia page, and read some of his interviews.
For sure, he is a strong man, with bold thinking, very strategic, and very knowledgable. He can see the big picture and think ahead, and can analyze societies. He is wide read, in history, in politics, and sociology. He is no-nonsense, quick, and decisive.
Other than this, he has a way in conveying his views forcefully. He is talented, he can speak out in an articulate way, a good orator and debator.
So, those are the good points about him.
Bad points is....as he grow older, it seem he is indulging in more and more self-aggrandizement. This might give the impression that he is arogant.
OK.....those are my impression of him.
Now....come the part...about his contribution to Singapore.
I think he is a remarkable man, however, Singapore progress is not entirely because of him, or even of his counterparts such as Devan Nair, Poh Chin Chye, Goh Keng Swee, etc. It is more to do with the people, the anthropological aspect. The people of Singapore has the right characteristics.
For my prove, just look at Korea, advanced country. Japan, advanced country. Hong Kong. And also now China is growing rapidly.
Singapore development is because the people of Singapore consists of immigrants who are hard working and infused in Confusian and other Asian values which prize thriftiness, sacrifice for future, respect for elderly and authority, respect of scholarly persuit, and other characters.
In Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, similar traits can be found. Low crime rate, respect for elderly, and high educational attainment, other than high economic prosperity, become the traits of these countries, very much similar with Singapore.
So....
We dont see any leader of Japan, Korea, or Hong Kong taking the limelight, and saying 'this country become like this because of my brilliance'. Wrong! A country is a very complex collective society, and not 1 organization or much less 1 person can steer it from what its underlying natural social characteristics are.
Another prove....what is the most advanced country in Africa?
South Africa.
Again, same, we dont see any leader of South Africa, saying 'This country become like this because of my brilliance' while comparing it to another African country such as Uganda or something. Why? Because it is very clear, it is not 1 person contribution, the underlying society of South Africa is different from that of Uganda. Anthropology. The composition, value, characteristics, of the people making up the society is the real driving force behind any country. Not 1 person or a group of persons.
So I believe....in this regard.....Lee Kuan Yew might be abit too exalted and the common people of Singapore might be abit overlooked.
Meat Pao.
He IS a great man in my eyes too... but to date, his tongue has become increasingly sharp...