NO NS 4 MAN
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u wan so high pay for wat??Originally posted by Bosatsu:I hate to prove everyone of you here wrong of course except the topic setter himself.
I guess the different in view is due to the GENERATION GAP and the Reality of a person.
For a soldier, his best benefit is to defend the country and if possible die in the battlefield then whole country moan.
Unfortuntately, for a civilian, most important is their family , property , friends and money.
From the articles posted, i can sense some "out of this world" comments from the NAVY pple.
In this world, where young millionaires are getting more and more common in USA who created softwares, the value of time is no longer as worthless as the previous generation, the opportunity cost is too high for any youngsters to join NS and the By Law Choice is so underpaid. I can swear to God, if Government make NS a volunteery one, Singapore would not need so much camps. Follows by, Countries like korea and Taiwan, who faces more immediate danger compare to singapore , onli have 0.5-1 yr NS training, we are not Israel (SG Army is built upon Israeli's fundamentals)!We are a peaceful little island.
Lastly, the pay is realli too low, even if you work as Maid (+ levy), your pay is higher and the skills inside is more n more un realistics. There is one stupid law, which stated that people with higher than O level certificate have to serve 0.5yrs than the O levels - wah is this ? Keeping talents in camp , hoping to get them to sign on wif the army, DREAM ON ! If the whole fucking nation become like Indonesia , military in power instead of the economic-wise people, Sentosa might struggle for independence like East Timor! so dun put yr fucking military boot in this word-wise forum and tainted the grounds of civilians, U disgrace the WHOLE OF ARMY , AIR FORCE AND NAVY + Minister for Defence , Tony Tan !
dun forget that they are paying u and teaching u self, nation and families and loves one defending skills leh...
or u rather have monee than to protect ur families and love ones?? ;P
dun be so materialistic las... so many ppl can survive liaw, so can u... ;P
and somemore, if u heard of ur ah gong's time or ah pa's time of army, now is so ggod liaw...
got nice food and nice bed and everything giv u nice nice... last tiem where got??
so be thankful... and think it such a way... not everyone has the honour to go army... at least if female wanna go, they have to sign up... we males... hahaha... this is a previledges to us... ;P
this is wat i call... "the ladies dun get it" ;P -
a bit true los... u see hor... i go PTP then BMT then SISPEC then go unit training... total used up about 1.5 years liaw...Originally posted by PussyLoveR:I think singapore should impose 3 years of national service to male cos the males are getting lesser (but not malay males)
2 1/2 year seen like too less you think la you can live for 60 years old and it only takes less not 5% of your live times, so ehy not made it to 3 years or more ?
If there is No NS for man i think go and cut off your cock and inplant a Pussy better correct ?
Than stand up like a man and go to NS.. anyway i have completed my NS 4 years ago.. like a piece of chicken feet . what is NS i think for kids to go one la not exciting at all must be more tought next time.
then left one year to put those skills to practise... wat lau, like a bit too short the time... -
y dun u think this way...Originally posted by kyle:I second miken's sentiments..
i mean what is 2 and half years of vigorous training gonna help when 1 bomb woulda wiped everything out...hell even malaysia just cut off the water supply to us we would be in deeper shit than space...only thing good maybe is that it develops your character..make u more independent..just my opinions..
1stly, if u wna take over singapore, u prefer to take rubbish over or take over everything in one good piece??
who is so dumb to destroy singapore and take over?? then use another 20 to 30 years to rebuild everything?? on such a small island oso... u think they wan build resort ah?? ;P
2ndly, u seem to underestimate singapore's defense ability, maybe its bcos u din get to see them and experience them yet... but i tell u... its not an easy task for a/c to penatrate sg's 5 layers of air defense...
and wat makes the defense so strong?? its WE... the ppl who are being trained in NS...
so maybe u shd not voice out till u complete NS...
and if one is scare their studies fall behind, can always bring their textbooks inside to read... there is no army regulations stating that one must not read any school texts during NS periods... -
eh...was just wondering, you people talk as if you people has gone thru wars, or are experts at military (and home) defence. anyone here, fought in the war against the japanese during the WWII in Singapore? i dun think so. Even me, i am not well-versed in defence issues. But one thing for sure, i know it is always easy to suan people, and act tough in the forum, as afterall, you guys are typical singaporeans, talk in forum like real, but when come back to reality, all suddenly siam.
anyway, say watever u all want to say. the truth is, and i guess everyone knows, but just don't want to admit, is that, Singapore definitely has no chance at war (let's say with USA, can win meh?). that is why, it is much better to prevent wars, and treat other countries nicely. Like USA, u think they are nice to other countries? they say watever they want, cos' no one dare to fight them back. Well, guess LKY use the brain of the country more than the brawn for national defence. we make peace, and make bonds with other countries, and hope that, we don't have to come to the point of waging war.
however, having an army, a navy or an air force, gives us, at least the chance to fight back, if all means fail (like talks and so on...). but, let's be realistic, if we do get into a war, we will not win, but i think we will still fight. war is not the issue, the issue here i think (think only, me not some expert in defence ah...) is defence. if we have no army at all, ppl will take advantage of us (and there is no country in the world, without a military...), and i guess it is a form of deterrence.
NS in singapore, is a part and parcel as a singaporean. u dun like it, you find ways to escape it from chao keng, migrate to another country, change sex, or watver. the point is, if u think u want to stay in singapore, and be a singaporean, then serve NS. talk so much no use. it is sealed, the fate of male singaporeans to serve NS.
well, one thing for sure, i have gone thru NS. I like NS, it made me fitter, made me more manly then before. (i came in as a JC boy, i came out as a man) i seriously think NS is an eye-opener. u see offficers who use power to tekan u, and u jusz take the crap, and take it as a life lesson. then, u realise that, afterall 2 1/2 yrs spent doing NS, is not so bad afterall. Yes, of course, some would say, i can do much more for singapore if i go work or start businesses like those young millionaires in USA. but that is USA, this is Singapore. Eventhough NS is not the a good option, it is our only best option to defend our country.
yes, sure, malays are not trusted, despite being the natives of Singapore. i can understand that, but when malays are discriminated, which have not happened yet, i will not tolerate it. So what if there is no BG who is a malay, or watever. All these measures, i believe are in place, to ensure that our country has the highest chance to fight our enemies, afterall we are a red dot in the centre of the MALAY peninsula, so obviously, malays (rather muslims) will think twice if they have to fight enemies of the same race or religion. anyway, don't worry too much, war in singapore, i don't think will ever materialise, and don't ask for it.
we might live harmoniously with each other, but we are in fact accepting each other grudgingly, u know it, and i know it. Garmen also knows it. but wat to do? our society is so scared of making our intentions known publicly except behind the monitor console (to hide oursleves behind the masquearade of a cybernickname, and life.)
life in singapore, is good, much better than in other countries, NS is just something which we have to do, whether we like it or not. If we don't we can get out of singapore, but when we re-evaluate things, we know that NS is a small price to pay for peace, prosperity in Singapore, eventhough, there are plenty of things in Singapore which we might not be happy about. It's life, and NS is a part of a male singaporean life. IF you are a male, and u have not gone thru NS, you have not grown into a male singaporean yet. NS is a privilege. To serve our country is a privilege, if we keep on dwelling on the hope that garmen would strike off NS, then, dream on. You cannot even rationalise why bubble/chewing gum had to be banned, you want to touch the issue on state's defence?
anyway, there is one irony about NS. you can have a person leading the whole platoon, having important roles in defending the country (let's say a PC who is 19-20 yrs), and u have NSman who can hold weapons, be exposed to war tactics, the atrocity of wars, killings and bla bla, but i was wondering, how come, NSman, who are below the age of 21 are by law not allowed to watch an RA film. weird huh? cannot watch people having sex, or shout profanity or war or watver deemed restricted, but can make us use m-16, can brainwash us to fight in a war.
just wondering..
anyway, i feel that being singaporean or not, is not the issue. it is being human which is more important. we have to be responsible as a human, for what life has given us. In Singaporeans' context, this life we have, is all thanks to our country, and of course, as a responsible human, we should just do our part, and accept NS as it is.
hmm... guess wrote too much, anyway, it's just my opinion, and it is not based on any expert's views at all. if u all want to slander me go ahead, i accept. anyway, this is a forum, and singaporeans love forums, because at least not like the speaker's corner, need to register with the police, then can whack a person. so have fun, criticising others, and say profanities in this forum, singaporeans need more such facilities to let us channel out our frustration, which we had for so long (due to the system in our country) Happy New Year! have fun
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huh? i don't quite agree with ur first point. in the first place, in this age of technology, who needs more land? for wat? agriculture? who would fight with another country to conquer that land? most often ppl are at war becos of conflicting interests, or in the latest incidents "to fight terrorism", yah like real...Originally posted by rckong:y dun u think this way...
1stly, if u wna take over singapore, u prefer to take rubbish over or take over everything in one good piece??
who is so dumb to destroy singapore and take over?? then use another 20 to 30 years to rebuild everything?? on such a small island oso... u think they wan build resort ah?? ;P
2ndly, u seem to underestimate singapore's defense ability, maybe its bcos u din get to see them and experience them yet... but i tell u... its not an easy task for a/c to penatrate sg's 5 layers of air defense...
and wat makes the defense so strong?? its WE... the ppl who are being trained in NS...
so maybe u shd not voice out till u complete NS...
and if one is scare their studies fall behind, can always bring their textbooks inside to read... there is no army regulations stating that one must not read any school texts during NS periods...
anyway, USA attacked Afghanistan to take over the land meh? no wat, it is more for meeting thei own agenda, that is to fight terrorism believed to be in Afghanistan.
so if USA believes that Singapore harbours terrorists, they would attack singapore also. so, hmmm... singapore better try to prevent terrorists from coming into singapore, becos if USA attacks singapore, everything we will just go kapoot in a matter of seconds. well, wateva.