LKY model aggravated Sri Lankan crisis
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so u mean if there was no salary increase, the ministers would all be proned to corruption?Originally posted by Mat Toro:because many govt officials who are not well paid are corrupt asa result, the price is much much higher.
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if we do not pay the ministers well, they will be more open to pressures or temptation. This is human nature and we must not ignore that.
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If they are paid well n still succumb to corruption, they should be caught.Originally posted by Mat Toro:if we do not pay the ministers well, they will be more open to pressures or temptation. This is human nature and we must not ignore that. -
Can you back up your claims about Singapore being better run then? Would love to see some constructive information from neutral sources. Makes this forum all the more meaningful.Originally posted by Mat Toro:i can see it with my own eyes.
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you speak as though 'corruption' is a 'built in human mechanism'.. so we can assume that all ministers that are paid lower are presumeably corrupted elsewhere?Originally posted by Mat Toro:if we do not pay the ministers well, they will be more open to pressures or temptation. This is human nature and we must not ignore that.
would it not make sense that it is a person's integrity that makes a person corruptable or not..? -
Does paying them so well that they become crippled by their high salaries, amount to corruption or permanent bribery then?Originally posted by Mat Toro:if we do not pay the ministers well, they will be more open to pressures or temptation. This is human nature and we must not ignore that.
A theoretical example : Wouldn't it be a conflict of interested if you are a plaintiff in a court of law, and you are involved in the decision making of the presiding Judge's salary and career? Especially when the judge is highly paid? -
How can such logic convince the great mass of people with a thinking mind? Maybe only children will buy that will they?Originally posted by Mat Toro:if we do not pay the ministers well, they will be more open to pressures or temptation. This is human nature and we must not ignore that. -
Good post.Originally posted by Jontst78:Does paying them so well that they become crippled by their high salaries, amount to corruption or permanent bribery then?
A theoretical example : Wouldn't it be a conflict of interested if you are a plaintiff in a court of law, and you are involved in the decision making of the presiding Judge's salary and career? Especially when the judge is highly paid?
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Such logic do convince the masses, thats why only the minority makes noise. The majority can understand the logic very well.Originally posted by (human):How can such logic convince the great mass of people with a thinking mind? Maybe only children will buy that will they? -
Originally posted by 4getmenot:
Greed and want for more is human nature.
you speak as though 'corruption' is a 'built in human mechanism'.. so we can assume that all ministers that are paid lower are presumeably corrupted elsewhere?
Everybody has a breaking point. Including you. Thats also human nature.
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Originally posted by Jontst78:
Corruption is taking money where it is not accorded. As long as they do not take what is not accorded for, they cannot be corrupt.
Does paying them so well that they become crippled by their high salaries, amount to corruption or permanent bribery then?
Not necessarily. A public trial is open to scrutiny and review. an unqualified or unfit judge won't survive the bench.
A theoretical example : Wouldn't it be a conflict of interested if you are a plaintiff in a court of law, and you are involved in the decision making of the presiding Judge's salary and career? Especially when the judge is highly paid? -
Only mindless sheeps will fall into the belief with such excuses, if you further argue it, the more lame you will see how it is. When ministers said it is to prevent corruption, all the level down also see that they need raise salaries to prevent corruption. If only ministers need it, the rest don't need it , isn't it not practicing double standard? Such logic won't sell beyond Singapore, isn't it not making it looks ridiculous? The majority really understand the logic very well or easily being deceived?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Such logic do convince the masses, thats why only the minority makes noise. The majority can understand the logic very well. -
the recent uproar over minister pay hike is a clear indication of the displeasure and disaccordance for the money that was nevertheless taken. so by your definition, corruption had been committed.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Corruption is taking money where it is not accorded. As long as they do not take what is not accorded for, they cannot be corrupt.
so what can the public do when they aren't satisfied with the judge's performance? write to straits times forum and get sued? complain in sgforums? go to hong lim park?
Not necessarily. A public trial is open to scrutiny and review. an unqualified or unfit judge won't survive the bench.
qualified or otherwise, in the case mentioned, how do you guarantee that the particular judge wouldn't be swayed in any way by his concern for his own pocket especially when we have so many cases of lawyers running away with their client's money? judges are after all, lawyers to begin with ... -
that is why we need to have counter checks and balances to keep those greed and want for more in check.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Greed and want for more is human nature.
that our ministers demand so much more than those of other countries simply shows that their breaking point is so much lower.
Everybody has a breaking point. Including you. Thats also human nature.
george bush is satisfied with $400,000, so his breaking point is $400,000. our PM cannot accept anything less than $3 million, so his breaking point is $3 million.
in other words, compared to george bush, our PM needs an extra $2.6 million over-the-table money, which is no different from $2.6 million under-the-table money, to stay happy. -
the masses by their nature do not care, they're like wilderbeasts concerned only with chewing their own grass ...Originally posted by Mat Toro:Such logic do convince the masses, thats why only the minority makes noise. The majority can understand the logic very well. -
Thats why all civil servants get pay raises. Don't you know?Originally posted by (human):Only mindless sheeps will fall into the belief with such excuses, if you further argue it, the more lame you will see how it is. When ministers said it is to prevent corruption, all the level down also see that they need raise salaries to prevent corruption. If only ministers need it, the rest don't need it , isn't it not practicing double standard? Such logic won't sell beyond Singapore, isn't it not making it looks ridiculous? The majority really understand the logic very well or easily being deceived?
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Yes pay raise to all civil servants. Private sector? Why not compare with bill gates then? Go tell your master that this is absolutely absurb.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Thats why all civil servants get pay raises. Don't you know?
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Pl dunt mouth feed by western without serious thinking.
no body here mentioned why our National Language
is Malay?
Why The national anthem was originally written in Malay and
sang in Malay also.
MAJULAH SINGAPURA
Mari kita rakyat Singapura
Sama-sama menuju bahagia
Cita-cita kita yang mulia
Berjaya Singapura
Marilah kita bersatu
Dengan semangat yang baru
Semua kita berseru
Majulah Singapura
Majulah Singapura
2.Why our President also rotating by different races?
3.Why NDP parade commander rotate by different races every year?
The aim is to make minority in Spore feel
easy.Hey guys.You are important like every body.
Why English is the governemnt administrative language?
Because it is not the mother language of all races!!
no race has a priviledge in language.
4.Have u noticed in school test books,government poster,
ST comics,there are always different races appear in the
same picture or images?
This is to remind every one --no race dominate in Singaopore.
5.GRC!?This is human nature to vote the one who can talk to.
Would u like approach MP talking same language or different one?
Without GRC,how many miniority can sit in the Pariliment?
6.pl quote your source of info,unless u are shame of the source!!--The state of democracy in Singapore: Sg Review interviews Garry Rodan
4 Aug 07,Sg Review---Courtesy of CSJ's own partyOriginally posted by robertteh:
7.If sg is a authoritarian system,this web site will not
He ran the whole country down and set it back by 40 years by depriving citizens of their own political, cultural and social vibrancy with hypocrisy like GRC which did not address racial harmony at all but only provide an convenient excuse for him to maintain tight-fisted political grip of power.
Read a comment on LKY's top-down political system from an expert (Professor Garry Rodan) posted in another thread below:
Q: Among other issues, your insights include politics in Singapore. What do you think is the status of democracy in Singapore now, compared to 10 years ago? Is the Singapore experience unique?
A: Singapore does not have a democratic political system. It has an authoritarian system that systematically obstructs genuine political competition for the exercise of state power. In the last 10 years, though, this has been combined with various new opportunities for Singaporeans to engage in PAP-controlled or sponsored forms of political participation. In effect, authoritarian rule has become more sophisticated but the scope for competing with the PAP hasn't significantly changed.
be accessible!!
