Alright, so what's with the 'elites' bashing?
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Im a non-elite who lives in a 4-room HDB flat. When I was young and doing well in pri/sec school, I qualified for edusave bursaries. But I never took them unlike most people, because my parents believed that we didn't need them. The attitude of the elites is that "I will take it because I deserve it". And all the bond-breakers are the elites too. Do you dare dispute that?Originally posted by Where Is God:Merit-scholarships were never meant to help the needy, but rather to motivate individuals who excel in academics.
Needy students who "fail to qualify", but wish to further their studies, should be going for student loans not scholarships. I know for a fact that NUS' student loans are rather easy to apply and qualify. -
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You are comparing a need-based scholarship to a merit-based scholarship. It's like apple to orange.Originally posted by crimson soldier:Im a non-elite who lives in a 4-room HDB flat. When I was young and doing well in pri/sec school, I qualified for edusave bursaries. But I never took them unlike most people, because my parents believed that we didn't need them. The attitude of the elites is that "I will take it because I deserve it". And all the bond-breakers are the elites too. Do you dare dispute that?
Edusave bursaries are to help the needy.
Other merit-based scholarships like PSC's Overseas Merit scholarship are aimed at those who excel academically. If you would, read this extract from their site:Overseas Merit Scholarships (OMS) are offered to academically outstanding students with leadership potential for undergraduate studies tenable at reputable overseas universities. PSC also sponsor selected Masters programme upon graduation from the first degree.
It is really more of a commercial deal than charity. The goal of these scholarship are to hold on to the talents, regardless of whether they are rich or not. It is not to help those who cannot afford tertiary education.
I have many wealthy friends who are not taking up scholarships because of the bond. "Time is money", they like to say. I believe those with brains will know that there is no difference between taking scholarship and then breaking it, or just go without a scholarship. (If you would assume that exchange rate, and other factors do not change)
Of course, you can't forget that most school will push their students to obtain prestigious scholarships simply because it bring pride to the school. But then again, it stays true to the goal of such merit-based scholarship isn't it? To hold on to the talent (regardless of poor/rich), and not to hold on to those who can't afford tertiary education. -
bullshiet topic.. worth to be discused cos its hawt but it is really nothing.. its just plain discussing abt plain bull crap.. whatever..
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I concede to your arguements and submit meekly to my fated peasant farmer life..Originally posted by Where Is God:It is really more of a commercial deal than charity. The goal of these scholarship are to hold on to the talents, regardless of whether they are rich or not. It is not to help those who cannot afford tertiary education.
I have many wealthy friends who are not taking up scholarships because of the bond. "Time is money", they like to say. I believe those with brains will know that there is no difference between taking scholarship and then breaking it, or just go without a scholarship. (If you would assume that exchange rate, and other factors do not change)
Of course, you can't forget that most school will push their students to obtain prestigious scholarships simply because it bring pride to the school. But then again, it stays true to the goal of such merit-based scholarship isn't it? To hold on to the talent (regardless of poor/rich), and not to hold on to those who can't afford tertiary education.
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if elites were humble people and nice, i think they wouldn't be bashed.
unfortunately, it always seems like the arrogant condecending attitude comes with the wealth.
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where is god?
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I said that they should be/are expected to be better than the poor because their parents have the money, the resources to give them a good education, help them build their characters.Originally posted by Where Is God:So the poor have a reason to behave worse, simply because they are poor?
You are really just another elitism-advocate deep down. It's blatantly written all over your words, that "Being elite and rich makes you better off than the poor".
You should be really ashamed of yourself.
If you want to bash elites, at least have your ideologies straightened out. You can choose either:
1. Elites are worst off than the poor.
2. Elites and poor are equal.
But the fact that you chosed:
3. Elites are better off than the poor
makes you just another elitism-advocate, product of Singapore's meritocracy.
I chose "better off" in terms of money not intelligence/happiness.
From your post, it would seem that it is apparent they are worse off in terms of happiness and intelligence (some of them anyway, like you for example)
With the resources that they have, bad behavior cannot be tolerated and they should be soundly bashed. You frown at the rich for being miserly but how can you blame the poor for being miserly? They are expected to be miserly.
Miserly rich.... blast them! "Inconsiderate / badly behaved elites? Bash them! -
Who's looking for me?Originally posted by gigabyte14:where is god? -
Originally posted by Where Is God:Everyone who lives a good life is a Wee Shu Min now, is it?
I have no idea what is wrong with you people. Is it jealousy that drives you people to bash 'elites'? Or is it because of herd mentality, whereby you guys are just trying to fit in with the rest?
You know it is getting really ridiculous that every single action/behavior that is frowned upon can be attributed to one being an 'elite'.
That fact is, just because them 'elites' are born with a silver spoon up their mouth doesn't make them any much different from you people.
Yes, there are arrogant rich people, but there also are arrogant poor people. There are ill-mannered rich kids, and so are there ill-mannered poor kids.
You elite-bashing people think that it's fun to put down the elites, but remember what happened with the Tax Laws, the very promise of bringing down the rich ended up a curse for the middle and lower class. The rich were never affected as they were safe under the protection of corporations.
So think twice before you shoot your mouth off, sheep.
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I don't see alot of elite bashing here in speaker's corner, there is some, sure. (haven't seen enough of other boards to form a reasonable opinion)Originally posted by Where Is God:Everyone who lives a good life is a Wee Shu Min now, is it?
I have no idea what is wrong with you people. Is it jealousy that drives you people to bash 'elites'? Or is it because of herd mentality, whereby you guys are just trying to fit in with the rest?
You know it is getting really ridiculous that every single action/behavior that is frowned upon can be attributed to one being an 'elite'.
That fact is, just because them 'elites' are born with a silver spoon up their mouth doesn't make them any much different from you people.
Yes, there are arrogant rich people, but there also are arrogant poor people. There are ill-mannered rich kids, and so are there ill-mannered poor kids.
You elite-bashing people think that it's fun to put down the elites, but remember what happened with the Tax Laws, the very promise of bringing down the rich ended up a curse for the middle and lower class. The rich were never affected as they were safe under the protection of corporations.
So think twice before you shoot your mouth off, sheep.
If you behave like Wee Shu Min, you get branded like Wee Shu Min, simple as that. Well there are those who misconstrue the meaning of elite in this context as well. But thats beyond the point of this post.
Then again, those that try to draw a line, or start a rift between the higher income and lower/middle income are right fully bashed IMO. Also those that are "higher up", telling those lower down to buck-up and saying, "you only have yourself to blame for your misfortunes", will draw the ire of those lower down. And those who think that "rags to riches" success stories are the norm, (when in reality, they are the exception) will get bashed, and rightfully so.
Example, when Yew once proposed that Uni Grads should only marry Uni Grads, that idea was also rightfully bashed. Intentional or not, it definitely was a step towards establishing an elite class, creating a rift between social classes. -
Originally posted by crimson soldier:I concede to your arguements and submit meekly to my fated peasant farmer life..
hail elites nice one
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Question:Originally posted by Gazelle:
Were you given RIGHTS to use NAT GEO's images online? -
so, to cut all the crap on scholarship, have you applied for one before?
have you even seen the section on family details?
Family Annual Combined Income? what's that for? -
If you read my previous posts, you would have understood that Singapore is truly a meritocratic society, so there is nothing that stands between you and wealth.Originally posted by crimson soldier:I concede to your arguements and submit meekly to my fated peasant farmer life..
hail elites
It is really ignorant to think that you cannot move to a higher class unless you obtain a scholarship. That is one of the worst excuses ever. If you cannot afford it, there is always student loans and need-based scholarships.
To say that you can't better yourself because you cannot get the most prestigious merit scholarship is like saying you cannot quench your thirst because you can't get the most virgin and pristine spring water. -
Well actually this topic was created in Chit Chat, but since it has been moved, I don't think it's addressing the right audience (elite-bashers in Chit Chat) anymore.Originally posted by Jontst78:I don't see alot of elite bashing here in speaker's corner, there is some, sure. (haven't seen enough of other boards to form a reasonable opinion)
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I think anyone would automatically admire and respect men/women of social prominence or wealth who don't feel inclined to put themselves up on a steeple and sneer at everyone else below, and instead strive to understand others better and really extend a helping hand, and I don't mean just paying lip service. Ong Teng Cheong was one such prominent figure, but he did not draw such flak from the people because of the way he dealt with people and matters. He "got" it.
IMHO, it's perfectly acceptable to feel pride in what u've achieved through your own hard work. But I'd draw the line at arrogance. -
Alright, we're sorry. We'll stop the elite-bashing ..for 5 minutes. Just quit posting, please! Peace!Originally posted by Where Is God:If you read my previous posts, you would have understood that Singapore is truly a meritocratic society, so there is nothing that stands between you and wealth.
It is really ignorant to think that you cannot move to a higher class unless you obtain a scholarship. That is one of the worst excuses ever. If you cannot afford it, there is always student loans and need-based scholarships.
To say that you can't better yourself because you cannot get the most prestigious merit scholarship is like saying you cannot quench your thirst because you can't get the most virgin and pristine spring water. -
Originally posted by Where Is God:
could you show us examples so that we know what you mean by elite bashing?
I have no idea what is wrong with you people. Is it jealousy that drives you people to bash 'elites'? Or is it because of herd mentality, whereby you guys are just trying to fit in with the rest?
could you also show us examples of actions that, in your opinion, frowns upon our elites, when they do not deserve to be frowned upon?
You know it is getting really ridiculous that every single action/behavior that is frowned upon can be attributed to one being an 'elite'.
could you also give examples of sheep please?
So think twice before you shoot your mouth off, sheep.
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wouldn't a stronger currency make our goods and services unattractive and therefore depress our output? wouldn't that negate the beneficial effects of cheaper buys?Originally posted by Where Is God:Well, it's a move away from heavy corporate taxation. I am not an economist, but this move may bring in more foreign investment which would drive up our exchange rates and make our imported goods cheaper. In other words, this could very well negate the effects of the extra 2% in terms of imported goods. -
i have no idea what TS's point is
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He doesn't have to - it's an, um, what's he call it, "argumentative essay".Originally posted by snow leopard:could you show us examples so that we know what you mean by elite bashing?
could you also show us examples of actions that, in your opinion, frowns upon our elites, when they do not deserve to be frowned upon? -
dun know whether to say this but our "elite" is always the people that look down on people n i should say they tense to complain more than any normal citizen in singapore...just think saying that service standard is not good,but did they ever think for the non-elite that have to feed a family..a complain letter from them can mean no jobs for non elite...shamefully they are also the one that always do charity but also sad to sad they dun really think for the people or help the "relative",but helping "poor" people to them is a great thing.those high earners is the one always tense to be corrupt or should i say taking money from the poor to help the rich
just a thinking cos i am one that is bash by a elite of singapore to hard that i dun really like to say that much
7% gst is helping who to do funding.for the elite or for the people...
give u 3sweet but ask back 7sweet from u are u happy with it.elite will be happy not for the normal citzen
i think this is wat most people here is thinking but think is think wat can we do,be a dog folo or be a lion hunt them down.is up to u to think brothers
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why bother with him. he does not think in the shoe of the poor people in singapore. he is just one self center person.
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Q: So everyone who lives a good life is a XXX, is it ?Originally posted by Where Is God:my rhetorical question in context.
My statement was, "So everyone who lives a good life is a Wee Shu Min now, is it?"
My assertion is, "Not everyone who lives a good life is an elitist", and not "everyone who lives a good life is a Wee Shu Min".
"That fact is, just because them 'elites' are born with a silver spoon up their mouth doesn't make them any much different from you people.". Which in layman term is, "If you would just look at yourself, you are not any different from those who are born with a silver spoon in the mouth. These people do not necessarily have elitism-mentality like Wee Shu Min.".
Q: So everyone who lives a good life is a XXX, who brings 'units of unhappiness' to people around, is it ?
Ans: Issues is, does elitists bring 'units of happiness' to people around ? Issues is, to who ? anyone or bias to certain people ? naturally or condescendingly ? and how much 'units' ? And how little 'units of unhappiness' ?
Elitists are not Elites. And only if 'happiness' can be measured.
Fact is, singaporeans ranked "low" on happiness. Fact is, Singapore is governed by elites.
Blame the elites ? no. Even if Sg is governed by commoners, singaporeans may not be "high" on happiness.
But here, I am just stating the facts.