Alright, so what's with the 'elites' bashing?
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...i'm sending this link to NatGeo...Originally posted by maurizio13:Copyright infringement. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
At least my grandmother was more effective with her story than the irrelevant spastic repetitive photos that is more telling of your frustrated personality handicapped by your spastic condition.
Do you fully agreed with what M13 said?
YES or NO, (Please dont give me long grandmother story)
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I will take that as what M13 is saying are BS.Originally posted by Atobe:At least my grandmother was more effective with her story than the irrelevant spastic repetitive photos that is more telling of your frustrated personality handicapped by your spastic condition.
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(3A) Where, at any time when copyright subsists in a work —Originally posted by HyperFocal:NOTICE:
Does Gazelle have Natgeo's permission to use their image?
(a) a person does any act that constitutes an infringement of the copyright in a work other than an act referred to in subsection (1), (2), (3) or (6);
(b) the infringement of the copyright in the work by the person is wilful; and
(c) either or both of the following apply:
(i) the extent of the infringement is significant;
(ii) the person does the act to obtain a commercial advantage,
the person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.
I think not only has he infringe on the copyright, he has also adulterated the contents of the picture.
If someone informs National Geographic about the copyright infringement, Gazelle is going to get it.
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Are you so desparate for support that you will clutch at straws from thin air ?
I will take that as what M13 is saying are BS.
Surely, the spasmodic cause have not affected your reading abilities as well ? -
You are a very law abiding citizen, I salute you.Originally posted by HyperFocal:...i'm sending this link to NatGeo...
My friend from Photographic Society of Singapore did tell me before, even if he passes me his pictures, if I used them without his specific authorisation, he can sue me for copyright infringement. -
those who love to bash elites who rule our nation are nothing but losers.
had they worked harder and smarter while younger, they too would be the very elites that they are jealous of today. -
And please sign off as SHEEPOriginally posted by HyperFocal:...i'm sending this link to NatGeo... -
If you were able to convey your thoughts and convince us of your line of reasoning, you wouldn't be questioned so oftenly.Originally posted by Mat Toro:those who love to bash elites who rule our nation are nothing but losers.
had they worked harder and smarter while younger, they too would be the very elites that they are jealous of today.
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Originally posted by Atobe:Are you so desparate for support that you will clutch at straws from thin air ?
Surely, the spasmodic cause have not affected your reading abilities as well ?
Postings posted due to reactive and spasmodic effects.
Actually both debators have a point. One knows how to debate with MIW, and explained what not to be used as arguments in case one gets burnt or sued or jailed due to wrong arguments.
Reserves come from overpriced essential products/services. GST is not high, compared globally. GST increments goes straight to the reserves. Help to the needy is increased. Transparency is maintained. - correct or still not yet ?
Any oppositions writing the wrong and unproved arguments will be fiercely rebutted. -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:
It looks like you did not read my most recent post on the difference between ''Economic Elites'' and ''Political Elites''.
those who love to bash elites who rule our nation are nothing but losers.
had they worked harder and smarter while younger, they too would be the very elites that they are jealous of today.
The Political Elites open themselves to political bashing - in the same way that they will bash any other Singaporeans who have the courage to step up onto the political stage to challenge their political interests.
Is any Singaporeans jealous of the economic wealth and success of those ''Economic Elite'' families, whose forefathers made it good during the Colonial Period and during Singapore's early Pre-independent days ?
It is sheer arrogance to claim 'Elite Status' when the present success of Singapore is as much the contribution of a Million-plus Singaporeans compared to the handful of MIW in Government. -
Unfortunately, between the two of them, only ONE had the valid point in this debate, as the other prefer not to read what has been posted, and prefer to interprete it differently, and having lost the debate resorted to ''ONE liners''.Originally posted by lotiman: Postings posted due to reactive and spasmodic effects.
Actually both debators have a point. One knows how to debate with MIW, and explained what not to be used as arguments in case one gets burnt or sued or jailed due to wrong arguments.
Reserves come from overpriced essential products/services. GST is not high, compared globally. GST increments goes straight to the reserves. Help to the needy is increased. Transparency is maintained. - correct or still not yet ?
Any oppositions writing the wrong and unproved arguments will be fiercely rebutted.
''GST increments goes straight to the reserves'' ???
How certain are you of this, when it is common knowledge that Annual Revenue Surplus in the Finance Ministry is transferred to GIC and Temasek Holdings for further growth in their respective ''fund management activities'' ? -
Reserves come from overpriced essential products/services. GST is not high, compared globally. GST increments goes straight to the reserves. Help to the needy is increased. Transparency is maintained. - correct or still not yet ?
Any oppositions writing the wrong and unproved arguments will be fiercely rebutted.Originally posted by Atobe:
Let each white-lie found will be nailed onto the cross, and so we can forget and move on.
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when it is common knowledge that Annual Revenue Surplus in the Finance Ministry is transferred to GIC and Temasek Holdings for further growth in their respective ''fund management activities'' ?
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More growth will be generated from investment activities, rather than keeping the reserves untapped. A portion of the growth will be returned to the people (e.g. workfare). -
So why do you complain about their wealth? Silly right?Originally posted by Atobe:It looks like you did not read my most recent post on the difference between ''Economic Elites'' and ''Political Elites''.
The Political Elites open themselves to political bashing - in the same way that they will bash any other Singaporeans who have the courage to step up onto the political stage to challenge their political interests.
Is any Singaporeans jealous of the economic wealth and success of those ''Economic Elite'' families, whose forefathers made it good during the Colonial Period and during Singapore's early Pre-independent days ?
It is sheer arrogance to claim 'Elite Status' when the present success of Singapore is as much the contribution of a Million-plus Singaporeans compared to the handful of MIW in Government. -
Unfortunately, those funds returned to Singaporeans - in the form of Workfare and ERS - were from ''Excess Funds'' that were collected through the aggressive over-collection of taxes by this Government.Originally posted by lotiman:Reserves come from overpriced essential products/services. GST is not high, compared globally. GST increments goes straight to the reserves. Help to the needy is increased. Transparency is maintained. - correct or still not yet ?
Any oppositions writing the wrong and unproved arguments will be fiercely rebutted.
Let each white-lie found will be nailed onto the cross, and so we can forget and move on.
More growth will be generated from investment activities, rather than keeping the reserves untapped. A portion of the growth will be returned to the people (e.g. workfare).
When GST was first introduced at 3%, the Minister of Finance, Dr Richard Hu had admitted in Parliament that was surprised that the revenue collected had far exceeded expectation then.
It started the annual re-imbursement of 'surplus and excessive tax collected'' under various acronyms that painted the tight-fisted government in more glowing paint.
This easy method of raising additonal funds for the Government, its GIC and Temasek Holdings had caused the GST to be raised from 3% to 5% and now to 7% - despite the bloated National Reserves.
The surplus funds generated by the investments made by GIC and Temasek Holdings have yet to be accounted for in any way that is seen to be returned to the National Reserves.
Without even seeing the return of surplus growth funds from the investments made by GIC and Temasek Holdings, we are left with the creative accounting that hide the spectacular losses - such as the $3 Billion loss in the Shin Corp debacle.
The accounting of our National Reserves was requested by the late President-Elect Mr Ong Teng Cheong, but was met with a howling outcry of protest from the Government, and resulted in the President-Elect duties being modified with a useless second key to the National Reserves. -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:
Are you being creative silly, or simply stupid ?
So why do you complain about their wealth? Silly right?
Is anyone complaining about the wealth of those Private Economic Elites, or are we complaining about the abuses of political power by the Political Elite in rewarding themselves from Public Funds, when the Singaporean Public are placed in economic hardship ?
Are we complaining about those who claim to be Political Elites, or are we complaining about those Private Scions who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth ?
It had to take a stupid bull to react to the Matador's simple ONE-word, and the stupid bull will be agitated enough to charge at a red cloth.
''Toro, toro, toro....'' -
The one thing I can't stand, are people who has no regard for the Rights of other people's professional images...Originally posted by maurizio13:You are a very law abiding citizen, I salute you.
My friend from Photographic Society of Singapore did tell me before, even if he passes me his pictures, if I used them without his specific authorisation, he can sue me for copyright infringement.
Already sent the details to NatGeo...
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You have a comprehension and context problem. whoever talked about economic elites to begin with?Originally posted by Atobe:Are you being creative silly, or simply stupid ?
Is anyone complaining about the wealth of those Private Economic Elites, or are we complaining about the abuses of political power by the Political Elite in rewarding themselves from Public Funds, when the Singaporean Public are placed in economic hardship ?
Are we complaining about those who claim to be Political Elites, or are we complaining about those Private Scions who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth ?
It had to take a stupid bull to react to the Matador's simple ONE-word, and the stupid bull will be agitated enough to charge at a red cloth.
''Toro, toro, toro....'' -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:
I did.... if you are responding to my post, should you not at least have the simplest courtesy to do so accurately ?
You have a comprehension and context problem. whoever talked about economic elites to begin with?
Can we expect a bull to charge blindly into every situation with unthinking ONE-Liners without even following the thread of the discussion ?
Read my opening response to the TS, and you will at least know how this had developed - unless your spastically handicapped condition prevent you from absorbing and interpreting anything accurately beyond 'ONE-Liners' ? -
What's a good beer?
Bored with the same old stuff.. so let's veer off a tangent... -
i don't really like to bash elites just wanna make fun of them when they do stupid things. Simple as that sorry for interrupting everyone conversion half way thru. You guys can continue.
ELITE RULZ (My foot!!!!) -
we may be import heavy, we are export heavier, most years we achieve trade surplus, that's where we get the money for our budget ...Originally posted by Where Is God:But remember that Singapore is an import-heavy country. We import much more than we export. So while it will make our export unattractive, the loss will be much lesser compared to our gain.
Again, I am not an economist.
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It is quite obvious that this SHEEP doesnt really know what he is asking and is just following what the other sheep are doing.Originally posted by snow leopard:we may be import heavy, we are export heavier, most years we achieve trade surplus, that's where we get the money for our budget ...
neither am i
1) Singapore trade surplus doesnt come from exporting MADE IN SINGAPORE good, they come from re-exported goods.
2) For traded items, they are mostly purchased in US$ and sold in US$, any forex fluctuation between Singapore and US$ will not make the goods anymore expensive or cheaper and if your profit is kept in US$, nothing is lost
3) Trade surplus is not tax revenue nor profit. It is not money that goes to our budget.
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Can this Gazelle be smarter than all the other animals in the animal kingdom ?
Your reply is stupendously stupid by any count.
Could it be that you have lost yourself counting the flock of sheep in search of one particular ewe ? How else can we understand your infatuation with the photo that you repeatedly reproduce in place of your dumbfounded idea ?
It seems that the Gazelle is not much smarter and has never learnt to escape the jaws of a leopard.Originally posted by Gazelle:
Quote: Original post by snow leopard:
we may be import heavy, we are export heavier, most years we achieve trade surplus, that's where we get the money for our budget ...
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It is quite obvious that this SHEEP doesnt really know what he is asking and is just following what the other sheep are doing.
1) Singapore trade surplus doesnt come from exporting MADE IN SINGAPORE good, they come from re-exported goods.
Your reply seem to suggest that Singapore's trade surplus come only from re-exported goods, and ''doesnt come from exporting MADE IN SINGAPORE goods''.
An economics student will probably do better with the understanding of the Trade Surplus than a Gazelle pretending to be an economist.
At the 'Micro-level' - what is the use of the US Dollar - if after making the profit, it is not converted into Singapore Dollar for its local operational use ?
2) For traded items, they are mostly purchased in US$ and sold in US$, any forex fluctuation between Singapore and US$ will not make the goods anymore expensive or cheaper and if your profit is kept in US$, nothing is lost
Even if a Corporation has a large holding account of US Dollar, when it is taken into Year End Balance Sheet and P+L Statement, the exchange loss or gains will still need to be considered.
If the US Dollar account is insufficient for the ordering of goods and services, it will have to be topped up by converting Singapore Dollar into US Dollar - and depending on the prevailing exchange rates, it CAN make the required goods and services to be either more expensive or cheaper.
At the 'Macro-level' - will a country continue to hold large quantities of any foreign currencie, if it continue to be negatively volatile ? Surely, it is only being clever to quickly convert from a negatively volatile foreign currency back to one's own national currency ?
Trade Surplus is National Revenue to the Finance Ministry, while a budget is only a plan for the balance between expected Revenue Collection and Expenses of a Government.
3) Trade surplus is not tax revenue nor profit. It is not money that goes to our budget.
To enhance Trade Surplus, the budget maybe tweaked to create the environment in which the Country can enjoy further and larger Trade Surplus.
Do you think that the Trade Surplus will not end up being featured in the Budget of a Nation ?
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WOW..looks like there is really some sort of major fellowSHEEP love going on here.
Originally posted by Atobe:
- As usually, the SHEEP will like to create some sort of stupid assumption to twist the story, and that is why Atobe is using the word SEEM to suggest that my arguement is that trade surplus ONLY come from re-exported goods. As we all know both trade (or re-exported) and domestic export are considered as export. (Atobe, are you trying to be too smart?)
Your reply seem to suggest that Singapore's trade surplus come only from re-exported goods, and ''doesnt come from exporting MADE IN SINGAPORE goods''.
An economics student will probably do better with the understanding of the Trade Surplus than a Gazelle pretending to be an economist.
- I am not sure if this SHEEP has ever read any of the MTI report. If he does, he should have know now that Singapore is a net importer if we exclude the re-export trade, because most of the good we consumed are imported
- By accusing me of pretending to be an economist is just another stupid and pathetic stunt by the sheep trying to win an arguement. LOSER!!Originally posted by Atobe:
- If trade surplus is considered as a national REVENUE, I would like to ask Atobe to show us where is this revenue reflected in MOF financial statement.
[b]Trade Surplus is National Revenue to the Finance Ministry, while a budget is only a plan for the balance between expected Revenue Collection and Expenses of a Government.
To enhance Trade Surplus, the budget maybe tweaked to create the environment in which the Country can enjoy further and larger Trade Surplus.
Do you think that the Trade Surplus will not end up being featured in the Budget of a Nation ?
Try teaching to the Gazelles before you start sniffing at the Sheep
FYI, according to MTI, the trade surplus for FY2006 is about $257b
- This sheep is saying that by tweaking the budget, a country will be able to achieve trade surplus? If this is true, then why isnt america tweaking their budget to reduce their trade deficit with China? I got this bad feeling that Atobe is confused between Budget Surplus and Trade Surplus.Originally posted by Atobe:
It does looks like the SHEEP is trying to dig deeper into the unknown by divertying this discussion to mirco and macro economics. Lets see...
At the 'Micro-level' - what is the use of the US Dollar - if after making the profit, it is not converted into Singapore Dollar for its local operational use ?
Even if a Corporation has a large holding account of US Dollar, when it is taken into Year End Balance Sheet and P+L Statement, the exchange loss or gains will still need to be considered.
If the US Dollar account is insufficient for the ordering of goods and services, it will have to be topped up by converting Singapore Dollar into US Dollar - and depending on the prevailing exchange rates, it CAN make the required goods and services to be either more expensive or cheaper.
At the 'Macro-level' - will a country continue to hold large quantities of any foreign currencie, if it continue to be negatively volatile ? Surely, it is only being clever to quickly convert from a negatively volatile foreign currency back to one's own national currency ?
- Obviously, Atobe doesnt really know what is the fundamental difference between trading (export) and domestic export and that is why he is coming out all sort of stupid reasons.
1) For trading export, all you need is a trading office and you will be able to handle billions of trade without have the need to set up any factory, warehouses and paying GST. As such your arguement that companies need to convert their US$ income for local operaton is true (to pay for rental, admin cost) but WEAK!!
- Large corporations with significant exposure to forex will usually
a) Hedge their foreign currency income (just like how SIA control all their forex revenue)
b) Reduce forex risk by avoiding US$ transaction (e.g. switch to Euro)
c) Balance between domestic and export business to balance the receipt and usage of US$.
- Our country's reserved is still being kept in multiple currencies and government will always maintain that position to spread our risk. like it or not US$ is still the most traded currency in the world and it will be stupid to even try to suggest that Singapore will hold reserved in S$.