S'pore's leadership not inferior to old guards
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How about Francis Seow? OK he had a fall out with LKY.Originally posted by BillyBong:We can't even identify a law minister to replace Professor S Jayakumar, nvm our multi-tasking PM.
However, for the sake of the nation, let bygones be bygones.
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Originally posted by rooki:
Wrong my fren, he did not impose his views on anyone, he is only giving his opinion. Just like you also have your opinion and others are also entitled to their opinion. The real problem is, you are not open to other ppl's opinion and want to discredit it unfairly.
And because he is Der Führer, he gets to impose his views and opinions on the populace.
Who? You?
Who is to define what is right or wrong? Them leaders?
Dear sir, may I suggest you stop all those bigotry of yours and open your mind. You are too biased with hatred. You can't even think clearly.
Sir, may I suggest you take those feudalistic attitudes of yours and put them where they ought to belong. Like maybe the inner recesses of your an -
Open yours too. The government isn't always right, retard.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Dear sir, may I suggest you stop all those bigotry of yours and open your mind. You are too biased with hatred. You can't even think clearly. -
Yes, I am aware that the govt is not always right.
I for one do not agree to having Ho Ching heading Temasek at all.
But on most issues, I think the govt is spot on. -
What is leadership, talents, insight, foresight or all the assumptions like meritocracy or contribution of foreign talents?
Are such concepts or assumptions even practicable or are they just some kind of self-promotion to glorify one's oneself?
Is such a leadership system liable to abuse of power where the so-called leader is able to override the wishes of his subjects and even oppress good people who could otherwise contribute to the greater good by their diversities.
Is a leader who keeps talking about his own leadership, vision, foresight and who keeps increasing costs of living by taxing and profiteering on lands and facilities owned by the people a good leader after all?
Is a leader who keep suing his political opponents a good leader who could actively motivate his people to participate in his rule to produce the mass participation in practical knowledge application to benefit all citizens.
Is a leader a good leader who ignored people's complaints for years about malpractices like the nkf or shin corp unwilling to serve them with accountability, procedures, processes, codes of corporate governance, passion, moral uprightness or nobility of spirit?
What kind of leadership qualities did citizens expect from our leaders today ?
Despite many years of such rhetorics, what we are seeing is a system of legalistic wrangling of laws and regulations aimed at taxing and recovering fullest costs depriving people of essential services in housing, transportation, utilities and medical care.
The ordinary citizens are suffering from dropping wages, unemployments with the domestic economy being heavily squeezed out of their survival by government's getting into businesses of all sorts to compete with its own citizens.
What happen to all the talents of our own citizens or do we have no talents?
The Asian Financial crisis has exposed self-centredness as the ultimate cause of financial instability.
Why is it that during the Asian Financial crisis none of our so-called second generation or present team of ministers were able to take action to restructure the economy but instead were seen as blaming the crisis on the people and not their inability to motivate the people due to their own individualism and self-centredness resulting in malpractices in all the NKF going on in so many organizations.
Apparently something has gone wrong with the team since ministers like Dr. Goh Keng Swee or Lim Kim San, Dr. Toh Chin Chye have left the scene being retired early for perhaps deeper reason like being unable to get along with our supremely self-centred leader.
In the fast-paced age of technology, we need leaders who could command the whole organization and population to use their respective leadership and talent to produce maximum results instead of giving excuses and denying problems like NKF or Nicol Highway collapse instead of self-glorifying bigots who only talk about policies and hardly able to translate them into coordinated work processes to reach results.
We need leaders who talk less but are more committed to down-to-earth broad-based technology and knowledge application by the masses.
We need leaders who could translate diverse challenges and decisions into attainable work processes which allow staff to take actions with broad-based knowledge application and teamwork.
We need to leaders who could solve the "20 major major government policy errors" as posted to the Feedback Unit since 2002.
We need ministers and civil servants who could take comprehensive actions to restructure the economy to value-adding technology-driven economy talked about for years. -
You mean pay rise for ministers is spot on?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Yes, I am aware that the govt is not always right.
I for one do not agree to having Ho Ching heading Temasek at all.
But on most issues, I think the govt is spot on.
GST is definitely necessary for the future, to finance any so called projects for the poor?
Imposing a barrier for singaporeans to enter the casino is good because we cannot think for ourselves?
The media has no right to criticize the government?
That it is a 'freak' election result if opposition wins more seats?
That CPF isn't raised back to pre 1997 levels while minister pay is higher than pre 1997 levels? -
such as increasing GST to help the poor?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Yes, I am aware that the govt is not always right.
I for one do not agree to having Ho Ching heading Temasek at all.
But on most issues, I think the govt is spot on.
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Try discrediting LKY's 'opinions' in the newspaper. He doesn't 'impose'. You just have to accept.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Wrong my fren, he did not impose his views on anyone, he is only giving his opinion. Just like you also have your opinion and others are also entitled to their opinion. The real problem is, you are not open to other ppl's opinion and want to discredit it unfairly.
I have to give credit to him in many matters, but definitely not all. LKY and the old guards are good and popular; they have proved themselves worthy. But to compare the current batch with them... as good, just no combat experience... that's another story... It's not like LKY hasn't judge people wrongly before... Time will only tell whether his statements are right... but by then, he won't be here to see it -
Accept or be sued?Originally posted by eagle:Try discrediting LKY's 'opinions' in the newspaper. He doesn't 'impose'. You just have to accept.
I have to give credit to him in many matters, but definitely not all. LKY and the old guards are good and popular; they have proved themselves worthy. But to compare the current batch with them... as good, just no combat experience... that's another story... It's not like LKY hasn't judge people wrongly before... Time will only tell whether his statements are right... but by then, he won't be here to see it
Or can you only silently seethe inside yourself, not daring to make your contrary opinions known except in an anonymous setting like this forum for fear of recrimination?
Do his opinions carry more weight because he was supposedly one of the 'founding fathers' of Singapore?
(Read up on 'appeal to authority') -
Wait.... How sure are you that this forum is anonymous?Originally posted by rooki:Accept or be sued?
Or can you only silently seethe inside yourself, not daring to make your contrary opinions known except in an anonymous setting like this forum for fear of recrimination?
Do his opinions carry more weight because he was supposedly one of the 'founding fathers' of Singapore?
(Read up on 'appeal to authority') -
A perception, but nevertheless bolstered by the fact that this forum is hosted overseas.Originally posted by eagle:Wait.... How sure are you that this forum is anonymous?
As compared to STOMP, HWZ, etc. -
UK, always an ally of SingaporeOriginally posted by rooki:A perception, but nevertheless bolstered by the fact that this forum is hosted overseas.
As compared to STOMP, HWZ, etc. -
And what makes you say so?Originally posted by eagle:UK, always an ally of Singapore
Common colonial bond? -
yes i agree. the only way to boost the economy is to apply GST rather tha n higher income and corp tax.Originally posted by Lin Yu:such as increasing GST to help the poor?
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Originally posted by eagle:
yes sir, they are spot on. The economy is booming and salaries rising, no doubt about it. Why not reward the ministers?
You mean pay rise for ministers is spot on?
You are absolutely correct. The alternative would be increasing income and corp tax, neither which will help the poor or singapore for that matter in the long run.
GST is definitely necessary for the future, to finance any so called projects for the poor?
Is gambling good if you don't have much money to lose?
Imposing a barrier for singaporeans to enter the casino is good because we cannot think for ourselves?
They do, didn't you read the papers?
The media has no right to criticize the government?
Thats not a govt policy. Its just an opinion.
That it is a 'freak' election result if opposition wins more seats?
CPF rate of ministers not raised too.
That CPF isn't raised back to pre 1997 levels while minister pay is higher than pre 1997 levels?
Our salaries increased so much from 97, shldn't the same happen to the people who worked hard for the country? -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:yes i agree. the only way to boost the economy is to apply GST rather tha n higher income and corp tax.
Do you really think the govt is imposing GST for the sake of screwing the poor for kicks? what about the 30~33% increase? 33% salary increment to the top and 30% inccrease to the bottom class C hospital bills.
stop joking. you are not funny anymore -
The increase in salary corresponds to the income increase in the private sector and then less.Originally posted by Lin Yu: what about the 30~33% increase? 33% salary increment to the top and 30% inccrease to the bottom class C hospital bills.
stop joking. you are not funny anymore
Increase in medical bills are essential to keep standards up. You think those doctors and nurses don't need to be paid and those equipment cost nothing?
I find it hypocritical that you ppl want pay increase but don't want others to have pay increase.