Deep within, down inside, whats the diff dude?Originally posted by Dr Who:Will you stick with SingTel .............
or change to Pacnet to protect your privacy?
Newspapers say SingTel's lawyers didn't even attended the Court hearing....
I agree with Reddressman. The reason PacNet didn't release the info is because a difference Judge is doing its case. If another judge is to rule PacNet to release those downloader names..... PacNet would also have did it.Originally posted by robertteh:Dr. Who got a point there. There is no assurance that singtel is purely a commercial enterprise given the fact the minister testifying to the court has shown affront by uttering the "take it or leave it" intimidating line at the end of the hearing in one case involving singtel.
Originally posted by hloc:No, I don't think PacNet knew who will be the judge beforehand when it decide not to release subscribers private info.
I agree with [b]Reddressman. The reason PacNet didn't release the info is because a difference Judge is doing its case. If another judge is to rule PacNet to release those downloader names..... PacNet would also have did it.
Makes no difference who you chose..... when the court order comes, No ISP could save you.[/b]
But if you see it in another way, Singnet don't hesitate to give it's subscribers private detail to a third party. So if next time, another company request your private detail for some other reason, who know will Singnet release the info as well?Originally posted by joker105:it doesnt matter which 1 u choose...
as long u dont do illegal things like downloadin etc...
u shouldnt have any worrys...![]()
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Err..... I think both also Govt ownOriginally posted by nanren4ever:Why isn't anyone talking about Starhub who also gave the IP addresses? Just because Singnet is a govt-owned organization, or because they didn't bother to send their lawyers to court?
Seems like double standards![]()
Although the TCC provision may be trumped by a court orderAlthough it writes "may" , the answer is pretty clear. Whatever it is, appeal period is over, unless we have special laws that allow them to appeal AFTER the appeal period.
Originally posted by hloc:hloc, it is not because difference judge !!!
I agree with [b]Reddressman. The reason PacNet didn't release the info is because a difference Judge is doing its case. If another judge is to rule PacNet to release those downloader names..... PacNet would also have did it.
Makes no difference who you chose..... when the court order comes, No ISP could save you.[/b]
Which means, all those that paid Odex compensation, actually didn't have to pay, unless they downloaded "Gundam Seed". Basically all who has paid should come together and counter sue Odex for unlawful extortion or something like that, or at least get their money back.Originally posted by storywolf:hloc, it is not because difference judge !!!
The different is Pacnet - try and singnet did not even ! As mention on the Straittimes - A lawyer familiar with such proceedings said this means during the run-up to the hearing, SingNet had written to Odex to 'consent' to its request. SingNet's lawyers did not attend the hearing.
Singnet just get the letter and throw in the towel, they did not like Pacnet , question the interest, right of their customers !!! They did not even bored to check if Odex was not the sole licenees which mean they do not have the legal rights to demand it. In simple word - singnet throw in the towel and betrayal their paying customers, without even questioning ..or thinking...
It is not whether the court case is won or not, it is the attitude of big companies and whether it tries or not ....
It is so disappointing for Singnet that been trying to break into internation markets, no wonder it got into so many trouble in Australia, Thailand and Indonesia - how can you expect it to earn the trust of the people there to look into their interest, and protect the privacy and rights - when It have just shown the whole world that it so really sold out its local customer - those who are the 1st customers who make it into what it is today....
It is really shameful that their lawyer did not even attend the hearing ... !!!
Surprisingly it take the smallest of the lot to show the giants what is call customer service ... & care and willing to spend time to read and think what is right .
When i say - right does not mean supporting illegal download. But one must also question the rights of Odex, since it is not the sole licencee, it have no legal rights to anyhow sue people when do not have rights to do it.
Originally posted by Jontst78:In a way - you are right, they did not have the sole licencee thus - they are sort recoginse of having the rights to it in the first place , if you do not own the rights, in Singapore copyright law, you cannot sue people for it.
Which means, all those that paid Odex compensation, actually didn't have to pay, unless they downloaded "Gundam Seed". Basically all who has paid should come together and counter sue Odex for [b]unlawful extortion or something like that, or at least get their money back.[/b]
I'll say we jump in too fast on Singnet. Not that I'm helping Singet, do we ever know if the lawyers they hired know much about Copyright Act or TCC Act?Originally posted by storywolf:hloc, it is not because difference judge !!!
The different is Pacnet - try and singnet did not even ! As mention on the Straittimes - A lawyer familiar with such proceedings said this means during the run-up to the hearing, SingNet had written to Odex to 'consent' to its request. SingNet's lawyers did not attend the hearing.
Singnet just get the letter and throw in the towel, they did not like Pacnet , question the interest, right of their customers !!! They did not even bored to check if Odex was not the sole licenees which mean they do not have the legal rights to demand it. In simple word - singnet throw in the towel and betrayal their paying customers, without even questioning ..or thinking...
It is not whether the court case is won or not, it is the attitude of big companies and whether it tries or not ....
It is so disappointing for Singnet that been trying to break into internation markets, no wonder it got into so many trouble in Australia, Thailand and Indonesia - how can you expect it to earn the trust of the people there to look into their interest, and protect the privacy and rights - when It have just shown the whole world that it so really sold out its local customer - those who are the 1st customers who make it into what it is today....
It is really shameful that their lawyer did not even attend the hearing ... !!!
Surprisingly it take the smallest of the lot to show the giants what is call customer service ... & care and willing to spend time to read and think what is right .
When i say - right does not mean supporting illegal download. But one must also question the rights of Odex, since it is not the sole licencee, it have no legal rights to anyhow sue people when do not have rights to do it.
Shame on Singnet, it suppose to be giant, but turn out to be a mouse for its customers !!!
I am one of the 1st customer of Singnet ... and have alway stick by them till now, but the shameful news of their lawyers did not even attend the court, just is too shameful to bare !!! - Every month pay them over $150++ . I be waiting for my contract to be up to show them how ashame I am of them.
They are lawyers, they are supposed to know. These are not knowledge known by average ppl. If not, why do they charge such a high fee?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I'll say we jump in too fast on Singnet. Not that I'm helping Singet, do we ever know if the lawyers they hired know much about Copyright Act or TCC Act?
Can Singnet or PacNet predict how the judge(s) will handle the case? If not, does it matter who the judge is then?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:PacNet's case was different in every aspect. The judge questioned literally everything, copyright and privacy issues. There was nothing to question about privacy, we have no such things here. Then to the copyright issues.