War over Water
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VERY VERY SIMPLE!!!!....Originally posted by HARIMAU:Fucking sg (only for those whose post such immature and stupid things)-are the ones full of shits.Question: Who's drinking their own shits now?Malaysians or sg???
THE ANSWER IS........ (drums please).........
M-A-L-A-Y-S-I-A !!!!!!!!!!!! and... singapore (for now)
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y?
cos the malaysian water plant uses the old sendimentation filtration method.... such filtration as we all very well know... cant remove biological molecular contaminations from the source water..... which in the case of malaysia are so easily polluted by schoolboys peeing into the longkang....
BUT SOON SOON...singapore will use ultra-filtration technique that can removes ALL biological molecules except water... and some dissolved gases like Oxygen, Hydrogen and Nitrogen gas....
IN fact... to the learned and educated muslims .... SINGAPORE NEWATER IS THE TRUE ONLY GUARANTEED HALAL water...
Malaysia water... on the other hand could be polluted by shit and waste from non-halal animals like pig shit lah... that seeps down into the underground water OR into the nearby longkang....into their reserviors...
We in singapore... we respect our muslim brothers... though we did not ban pork.... just like malaysia...
We did ban pig farming... to prevent non-halal waste products from such filty animals from leaking into our reserviour.... which is still occuring in our holy holy northern neighbour's house..... -
well..i'm quite agree wif tt....Originally posted by CenturionMBT:There is one international truth.All politicians are liars.It is only whether you choose to believe it or not. -
we drinkin shit? oh come on.... i tink our purification methods are safer and A TRILLION TIMES BETTER then urs anyway.. juz like wat tripwire had mentioned earlier.. ours at least had a US water certification for world class pure drinking water....wat u got?..
whenever i had to stay in malaysia...i had to boil the @#% water before i drink...cos the water from the tap has a #%@#% yellowish colour to it!
and ur water tasted terrible anyway..
btw...i would think drinking newater is much better then drinkin the water we had to buy from u... why?
the river from which we piped our water from MAY in fact be the malaysians' lavatory ! the villagers may do their everyday stuff in it and shit in it and piss in it.... u can say we are drinkin their shit even now.
well... i at least prefer to drink my shit instead
pls dont say the grapes are sour when ur country are NOT CAPABLE of producing this grapes.. -
the cleanliness of water has to do with 2 factors:Originally posted by kY|e-_-o:we drinkin shit? oh come on.... i tink our purification methods are safer and A TRILLION TIMES BETTER then urs anyway.. juz like wat tripwire had mentioned earlier.. ours at least had a US water certification for world class pure drinking water....wat u got?..
whenever i had to stay in malaysia...i had to boil the @#% water before i drink...cos the water from the tap has a #%@#% yellowish colour to it! and ur water tasted terrible anyway..
btw...i would think drinking newater is much better then drinkin the water we had to buy from u... why? the river from which we piped our water from MAY in fact be the malaysians' lavatory ! the villagers may do their everyday stuff in it and shit in it and piss in it.... u can say we are drinkin their shit even now.
well... i at least prefer to drink my shit instead
pls dont say the grapes are sour when ur country are NOT CAPABLE of producing this grapes..
1) its purification technique
and more importantly,
2) its delivery technique!
no point having the best technique in the world if they're gonna pump the water through sewage pipes to the taps.
their problem is not just a substandard filtration system, but a decaying piping system: its old, rusty and a health threat. thats why their tapwater looks yellowish or brownish in some areas: DIRTY PIPES
the water most of JB uses is probably what Sg purified. its safe to drink from the tap.
but nobody in his right mind would do that because u don't know where its been after its been pumped out of OUR treatment plant.
IMO, i wouldn't even use their tap water to brush my teeth -
And further more, your authority is actually earning its citizen hard earned money without subsedising even mark up profit..somemore try to tell his ppl that we Singapore over charge them thus led to the expensive cost of water. I think Dr M can go back to his old line selling roti prata lah.... I might drop by his home town to eat his prata if he goes back to his old line.Originally posted by HARIMAU:Fucking sg (only for those whose post such immature and stupid things)-are the ones full of shits.Question: Who's drinking their own shits now?Malaysians or sg???
Drinking shit??? Malaysian lor...got a new reported saying that malaysian treated a source of shit water like holy water and everyday got queue go then to drink...see even shit water malaysian also queuing up to drink.... hope you aint one of them.
You authority really got no sense of politic, only know how to critise, accuse and blame others when thing goes wrong. So narrowmind government..... advise you to vote for the opposition next round. -
I'll think twice about going to eat Dr M's roti prata. Who knows whether he will wash his hands after cleaning his poo-poo or not. I sure don't want to eat his shit.Originally posted by sugardaddy:And further more, your authority is actually earning its citizen hard earned money without subsedising even mark up profit..somemore try to tell his ppl that we Singapore over charge them thus led to the expensive cost of water. I think Dr M can go back to his old line selling roti prata lah.... I might drop by his home town to eat his prata if he goes back to his old line.
Drinking shit??? Malaysian lor...got a new reported saying that malaysian treated a source of shit water like holy water and everyday got queue go then to drink...see even shit water malaysian also queuing up to drink.... hope you aint one of them.
You authority really got no sense of politic, only know how to critise, accuse and blame others when thing goes wrong. So narrowmind government..... advise you to vote for the opposition next round.
Better leave this to his boot-licking "tiger" to lick his master hand instead. -
Hey people!
they're trying to pull a fast one again... now they wanna change their law so that the premises for the old water treaties will not exist anymore and they can not recognise it...
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,151002,00.html?
according to datuk rais, ''the law of Malaysia remains supreme and supercedes all agreements made''...
now... is it my misconception or has he forgotten something called "international law"... and the elementary concept that treaties not signed under duress cannot be revoked unilaterally without consequences on the party breaching its terms? -
Dishonour themselves somemore. Good.
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malaysia is obviously a nation run by monkeys....Originally posted by CX:Hey people!
they're trying to pull a fast one again... now they wanna change their law so that the premises for the old water treaties will not exist anymore and they can not recognise it...
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,151002,00.html?
according to datuk rais, ''the law of Malaysia remains supreme and supercedes all agreements made''...
now... is it my misconception or has he forgotten something called "international law"... and the elementary concept that treaties not signed under duress cannot be revoked unilaterally without consequences on the party breaching its terms?
and i pity the poor malaysians having such moron idiots as leaders....
even if malaysia does enact such a law... IT wont make any differences as it cannot supersede previous agreedments..
this is because... under an agreedment... future or past... if singapore is permitted to draw up to a X million gallons of water per day... Singapore have every right to do so as long as it doesnt breech the X million mark...
IT is the responsibility of the malaysian authority on the other hand... being the seller... to ensure that there are adequate supplies to meet the water agreedment AND satisfied watever new malaysian law at the same time....
the availability of water to meet the malaysian new law ( if it comes to past) is the responsbility of the malaysian authority... Singapore is NOT part of malaysia... malaysian new laws are non binding to us....
WE are under NO obligation to ensure that malaysian will have adequate water supply, that IS their govt's job.....
as their malaysian law have no authority in or over singapore... we merely have to abide by the agreedment set between the 2 sovereign nation...
So... wat happens if the seller (malaysia) cannot meet the demand by singapore under the agreedment and satisfied the malaysian law??
SIMPLE.... they got 2 choices...
1... come to singapore and suck SM's dick and beg the old man to draw less water... from johor........
2.... purchase raw water from other malaysian state that have an excess to meet the shortage... BUT if other states of malaysia also not enough... then no choice left... but to go to indonesia and suck mega's C.... and beg mega for raw water to top up the shortage....
However... if they choose to breach the agreedment by turning the supply to singapore off... IRRESPECTIVE for watever reason...
Singapore would then be in full right to bring the matter to the all the world's legal instituition seeking massive massive compensation that will bankrupt malaysia easily....
Singapore can also seek a global freeze of all malaysian's assets oversea and request that its ownership be handed over to singapore if malaysia refuses to pay up.... -
ok... i'm so terribly confused at this time now...
just a while ago, they said they wanna backdate the payment of water to 1986 because they believe they can exercise their right to review prices anytime after 25 years...
intention: raise the price of water and seek compensation for "underpayment" by Sg. aka. earn money.
now, they want to pass a law banning sales unless they've got a surplus thereby "superseding" the two agreements with Sg enabling Sg to seek compensation for any failure of obligation to the treaty.
intention: not sell water to Sg but end up paying Sg to not buy its water aka. lose money.
and the funny thing is... wouldn't the compensation be based on the selling price of raw water? so the more they demand to be paid now, the more they'll have to pay us if they fail to deliver if the new law is passed
or the alternative is, the loss we incurr as a result of the loss of water: the difference between the cost of M'sian water and alternative sources. So they'll be subsidising our NeWater plants to make us NOT buy water to them.
more interestingly, if M'sia supersedes the 2 treaties with legislation, they won't get to buy treated water from us too... and we all know its cheaper for them to do so but their foolish pride won't allow them to admit it...
bottom line: they'll pay through their nose to make Sg self sufficient in water because they refuse to sell us raw water and they'll pay more for treated water they process themselves...
its a lose-lose situation to them, but they don't seem to mind... how bizarre... -
thay are good at this what. I was thinking when does all their degree and Master and PHD come from...maybe all in malaysia not English lor so they do really understand it.... what a shame.Originally posted by EXCO:Dishonour themselves somemore. Good. -
well... this is wat you get... when you have monkeys as leaders...Originally posted by CX:ok... i'm so terribly confused at this time now...
just a while ago, they said they wanna backdate the payment of water to 1986 because they believe they can exercise their right to review prices anytime after 25 years...
intention: raise the price of water and seek compensation for "underpayment" by Sg. aka. earn money.
now, they want to pass a law banning sales unless they've got a surplus thereby "superseding" the two agreements with Sg enabling Sg to seek compensation for any failure of obligation to the treaty.
intention: not sell water to Sg but end up paying Sg to not buy its water aka. lose money.
and the funny thing is... wouldn't the compensation be based on the selling price of raw water? so the more they demand to be paid now, the more they'll have to pay us if they fail to deliver if the new law is passed
or the alternative is, the loss we incurr as a result of the loss of water: the difference between the cost of M'sian water and alternative sources. So they'll be subsidising our NeWater plants to make us NOT buy water to them.
more interestingly, if M'sia supersedes the 2 treaties with legislation, they won't get to buy treated water from us too... and we all know its cheaper for them to do so but their foolish pride won't allow them to admit it...
bottom line: they'll pay through their nose to make Sg self sufficient in water because they refuse to sell us raw water and they'll pay more for treated water they process themselves...
its a lose-lose situation to them, but they don't seem to mind... how bizarre...
i think that innocent malaysian and harimau must be damn proud of their monkeys.... muahahaaaa
OH... i just got this from the straits time... it spells out clearly... the rules, laws and regulations on treaties between nations....
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/commentary/story/0,4386,151101,00.html?
Harimau... malaysians... i think you all shouldnt feel too shock .... it aint the first time.. your monkeys make a fool out of themselves... -
under the geneva convention.. treaties cannot be overuled by any law that a particular country decided to take..
if they decide to ignore the treaty, hostilities shall commence against them... thats an inevitable fact.
another fact that malaysia has been so stucked-up in its attitude is that they always regard themselves as the big brother... we as the little brother.... and as little brother...we should always listen to the big bother...
regardin this....i only got one thing to say... 'go and fuck urself!' -
its not just big-bro-little bro diplomacy... i think it has a lot to do with wanting to recover what little face they have left...
but they're grasping at straws. its too obvious that they're at their wits end and really don't know what to do next so they're just making it up as they move along. -
I must admit that I had previously had admired Dr Mahatair of Malaysia for his leadership of his country. However, recent events (raised by Malaysia) have rather marred my previously good impression of him. However, this erroding of my confidence in this leader is not without precedent. A few years back, he ordered his own deputy, Mr Anwar to be jailed and charged with sodomy.
Although this might be to show his impartiality in dealing with things, I disagree with how that case was handled.
With Singapore, it is not dealing with an individual, but Dr Mahatair is dealing with 4 million people unified with one stand (Malaysia has no rights to review the price of the sale of raw, untreated water). It is evident in that even the opposition parties in Singapore support this stand unanimously. Mr Chiam See Tong once mentioned to the effect of "If Malaysia were to, breach the Seperation Agreement by turning the water off, it is an act of provocation, and Singapore will have the choice of retatliating to maintain the status quo. However, as I do not remember his actual words, these were, at the very least, what the opposition MP meant.
I sincerely hope that the Malaysians will know that, Singapore is already paying for everything, including the infrastructure and treatment plants, we are currently subsidising the treated water we supply to Johor, and that the Malaysian government does not need to even fork out any capital to provide raw water.
I hope this ridiculous war of words will cease soon, and let us live as INDEPENDANT, SOVERIGN, and PEACEFUL neighbours. -
Points taken.Nice to hear from sensible guy again.Thanks.
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i find this statement in the straits time...report.... which appears to be a direct warning to malaysia as to the consequences of unilaterally abandoning the water agreedment....
The water agreements, moreover, were also guaranteed by both governments in the 1965 Separation Agreement. Nullifying them now would be as unthinkable as nullifying the Separation Agreement. Realising this, many Malaysian leaders, including Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, have said on many occasions that they will honour the water agreements.
its stated that the water agreement were actually part of the separation agreement........ hmmm.....
Does it imply...... that if malaysia should abandon the water agreement... IT is also effectively nullifying the separation agreement?? IF so.... wont such an action tantamount to challenging singapore's sovereignty and independence???
And should such an event come to past... Wont it then be highly probable that ... without the separation agreement... singapore and malaysia will become ONE nation???
Understandably... whether it is out of intention to preserve singapore's national sovereignty OR to reunit the divided nation of the new malaysia which will include singapore.....
a war between the SAF and the MAF would effectively becomes INEVITABLE.... until all the states under the federation are united under ONE authority????
Obviously... abandoning the water agreement is something that mahatir would certainly never have the balls to do...
the powerful SAF would crush mahatir's circus MAF into oblivion in a matter of days and mahatir would be forced to eat bitter pie....
and probably be forced to drink the NEWATER... BEFORE the purification...... -
thats why i say, they're making it up as they go along...
no consistency in their position,
no detailed program of negotiation,
no idea what they intend to achieve by raising hell in the mass media,
raising new (and questionable) points every other day...
they know vaguely that they want more money and they know for sure that they can't turn off the taps suddenly. problem is, they dunno how to achieve the first and they are inching towards the second with every stupid move.
compared to this new fiasco, arbitration actually seems like a much better idea. but they probably realised that they won't their windfall if they sent it to the hague... but they still don't realise that its gonna be a cold night in hell before Sg will give M'sia a blank cheque with regards to the price of raw water. -
Dr M Said,
When asked whether this would mean that international agreements could be changed, he said: 'Well, international agreements have been broken before. I have seen people go to war even, which is not by agreement.
'They don't go to war by agreement. They don't say that this thing cannot be resolved so they go to war, but they still go to war. I am not talking about going to war with Singapore, I am just giving an example.'
This is the first time he mention about war with Sg. I think he is crazy. -
Either he is getting inaccurate force projection abilities about his chief of staff, or he didn't got a proper briefing in donkey years about SG strength. We had advanced somewhat beyond the poison shrimp concept. In my view, more of a pirana, small but with a lethal bite.Originally posted by Anza Andy:Dr M Said,
When asked whether this would mean that international agreements could be changed, he said: 'Well, international agreements have been broken before. I have seen people go to war even, which is not by agreement.
'They don't go to war by agreement. They don't say that this thing cannot be resolved so they go to war, but they still go to war. I am not talking about going to war with Singapore, I am just giving an example.'
This is the first time he mention about war with Sg. I think he is crazy.
But with the malaysian elections around the corner, they are as usual doing their favourite SG bashing. No surprises there. But the "war" card...is a dangerous one to play.... Well, let's hope PAS don't come to power...
Shrug...guess we can assist our neighbours up north by setting up a scholarship...on proper International politics and law. -
I think Dr M said such a comment just because country M brought some great miliitary toy. Just image when M has more of this toy. We will be bully like hell.
I argue the SG government to spent abit more on defence. So that SG will be far more military superior then M in order to gain more stabilty in the region. -
we are already far superior in military terms... they bought new stuff true, but they were upgrading obsolete equipment while Sg consistently spends to make sure that it has a credible operational capability all year round.Originally posted by Anza Andy:I think Dr M said such a comment just because country M brought some great miliitary toy. Just image when M has more of this toy. We will be bully like hell.
I argue the SG government to spent abit more on defence. So that SG will be far more military superior then M in order to gain more stabilty in the region.
no point spending more than we have to. its a black hole. 6% is plenty! -
True enough singapore military spending apparently consider one of largest in the world in GDP terms.Huge potions of the fund goes to defense R & D and military procurement.Your worry proof unfounded.Originally posted by Anza Andy:I think Dr M said such a comment just because country M brought some great miliitary toy. Just image when M has more of this toy. We will be bully like hell.
I argue the SG government to spent abit more on defence. So that SG will be far more military superior then M in order to gain more stabilty in the region. -
Thats why I don't even use mudland tapwater except to bath wash my hands and flush the tiolet. Rather use bottled water.Originally posted by kY|e-_-o:we drinkin shit? oh come on.... i tink our purification methods are safer and A TRILLION TIMES BETTER then urs anyway.. juz like wat tripwire had mentioned earlier.. ours at least had a US water certification for world class pure drinking water....wat u got?..
whenever i had to stay in malaysia...i had to boil the @#% water before i drink...cos the water from the tap has a #%@#% yellowish colour to it! and ur water tasted terrible anyway..
btw...i would think drinking newater is much better then drinkin the water we had to buy from u... why? the river from which we piped our water from MAY in fact be the malaysians' lavatory ! the villagers may do their everyday stuff in it and shit in it and piss in it.... u can say we are drinkin their shit even now.
well... i at least prefer to drink my shit instead
pls dont say the grapes are sour when ur country are NOT CAPABLE of producing this grapes.. -
say... everything thats being said is all about raw water.
would anybody have any idea about treated water?
if Sg removes the subsidies and factors in inflation for the price of treated water, what would it cost them?
well, we know that its not an extremely strong bargaining tool anymore. their own water treatment plant is operational and they fully expect to be self sufficient in treated water soon too.
but just for information purposes... how much?