Singaporeans born in the 80s are mostly spoilt brat?
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Not really. As a dragon baby, I hardly feel so. Maybe because I'm the first-born... hahaOriginally posted by Gazelle:I specifically mention 80s-90s is because during that time, Singapore was experiencing trememdous economic growth and jobless rate in Singapore is almost 0% and most parents are flooded with cash because of the property boom. And it is normal that when parents feel "rich", they will provide excessive comfortable and material stuffs for the children, to the extent that it is even more excessive than how a rich family will bring up their children. -
x2Originally posted by jetabt767400:I am born in 89 and damn feel damn lucky to be born at that time. I never told my parents to carry bag for me and they would need me to carry my own things too. Most of my friends that i know are similar to me, we do our own things, meet obstacles ourselves and try to improve. Not the perfect generation, but I feel sad for those born in mid/late 90s, some are so much pampered by parents, even have 'personal maids', what a shame not to develop their lives themselves.
Choosing the kids own paths; not a wise move. Let the kid choose what he needs; echos the upbringing of the parents. Not bending in to the children's requests all the time; lets him develop his natural capabilities. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Have you forgotten your infamous questions that you constantly asked others - is your observations based on speculation or on researched papers ?
I specifically mention 80s-90s is because during that time, Singapore was experiencing trememdous economic growth and jobless rate in Singapore is almost 0% and most parents are flooded with cash because of the property boom. And it is normal that when parents feel "rich", they will provide excessive comfortable and material stuffs for the children, to the extent that it is even more excessive than how a rich family will bring up their children.
'80s'90s a time of ''tremendous'' economic growth ?
The singapore economy had its brakes pulled by the 1987 economic downturn, which took more then 3 years for Singapore to get up, only to be hit with the 1997 downturn which lingered till it was hit by the 9/11 incident in 2001, SARS in 2002 and birdflu in 2004.
We are now into 2007, and the unemployment rate at mid-term was announced as 2.4% - [an improvement of 0.1% from 2006].
With inflationary pressures being at the highest levels in 12 years, do you seriously believe that any parents can afford to be more excessive than rich families lavishing on their children ?
Your statement seems to tainted with a tinge of envious disgust more then altruistic social concern. Is it valid ?
Another characteristic gazelle blind charge with a premature loud trumpeting outburst ? -
Let's all admit.
Those born from the 80's,majority of them are spoilt.
Nobody have to stage a fancy challenge for us to see the reality of singapore youth.
They can be seen downtown orchard. -
ok la. let's put it this way, from 80's onward
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Little wonder for the spoilt boys when they grew to go NS, they will face difficulty in adjusting to the environment.Originally posted by Gazelle:I thought they are one that invented the idea that maids and mothers must carry their school bags? -
As much as we like to put Gazelle down, he does have some points..... Since the 90s, quite alot of family in S'pore employ maids to look after the children while both parent work. Some Parents who's treatment of their maid are less then civil...... The young child learn from a early age that maids are there to fetch & carry..... and worst, command by their employer.
I've seen young child of about 7yrs old, screening at the maid to do his bidding while the parent act blur in public......
I disagree that most of the kids are like dat..... but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting....
Personal, I have no maids of my own. But my sister does. The Maid come over to help take care of 3 kids belonging to my Sis & Bro. My mother is getting in her age and need the help with 3 super active kids.
But I make known to the children when the maid 1st come -
1) That they are never to command the maid for anything.......
2) The are NEVER allow to hit the maid.... which 1 of the girls already kena from me
3) They have to speak politly to the maid at ALL TIMES.
Luckily so far everything is ok...... They treat the maid as a big Sister. So hopfully.... this brunch won't turn out to be Brats
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chao keng loh, heard so many ppl purposely find some problem, do an operation before NS, then downgrade so that no need chiong shua.Originally posted by will4:Little wonder for the spoilt boys when they grew to go NS, they will face difficulty in adjusting to the environment.
one of my fren had been playing basketing with us all the time, run in PE lesson also nothing wrong. When he about to enlist, he find doctor, and found out that his knee cap is slightly out of place, then he claims that whenever he runs, his knee hurts.(fake of cos) Then he later become mess boy for some time, and later store man.
A few other fren did operation on their spine before NS (why so many ppl must wait till before enlisting then do operation???) -
Originally posted by hloc:
If a local boy turned out to be brat, he will in trouble when he grew up to go NS. I personall y have heard some of the spolit brats cannot adjust to NS
As much as we like to put [b]Gazelle down, he does have some points..... Since the 90s, quite alot of family in S'pore employ maids to look after the children while both parent work. Some Parents who's treatment of their maid are less then civil...... The young child learn from a early age that maids are there to fetch & carry..... and worst, command by their employer.
I've seen young child of about 7yrs old, screening at the maid to do his bidding while the parent act blur in public......
I disagree that most of the kids are like dat..... but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting....
Personal, I have no maids of my own. But my sister does. The Maid come over to help take care of 3 kids belonging to my Sis & Bro. My mother is getting in her age and need the help with 3 super active kids.
But I make known to the children when the maid 1st come -
1) That they are never to command the maid for anything.......
2) The are NEVER allow to hit the maid.... which 1 of the girls already kena from me
3) They have to speak politly to the maid at ALL TIMES.
Luckily so far everything is ok...... They treat the maid as a big Sister. So hopfully.... this brunch won't turn out to be Brats [/b]
life like tying the booot but look at the boots, no need to tie already.
As for the ill treatment, the penalty is severe considering the fact there have been cases of employers being punsihed for abusing maids. -
Then our little brat will have to get use to his new life fast lor.Originally posted by will4:If a local boy turned out to be brat, he will in trouble when he grew up to go NS. I personall y have heard some of the spolit brats cannot adjust to NS
life like tying the booot but look at the boots, no need to tie already.
As for the ill treatment, the penalty is severe considering the fact there have been cases of employers being punsihed for abusing maids.
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If only can get used to or else his parents will come to intervened on his behalf.Originally posted by hloc:Then our little brat will have to get use to his new life fast lor. -
The average economic growth for Singapore from 1980 to 1997 is 8.05% per year. This might explain why the kids grew up during that time are spoilt.
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Originally posted by hloc:
For a while I was wondering if you were serious with your D6 remarks, now I wonder if it has also affected your general approach in critical thinking as well ?
As much as we like to put Gazelle down, he does have some points..... Since the 90s, quite alot of family in S'pore employ maids to look after the children while both parent work. Some Parents who's treatment of their maid are less then civil...... The young child learn from a early age that maids are there to fetch & carry..... and worst, command by their employer.
I've seen young child of about 7yrs old, screening at the maid to do his bidding while the parent act blur in public......
I disagree that most of the kids are like dat..... but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting....
Are you into paediatric psychology - as CSJ is - to come up with a general statement such as this ?
How many of such a scenario in an assumed number of 500,000 Singaporeans who are parents, and over how long a period of personal observation to such scenes that have led you to such a brazen statement ?
I am beginning to wonder if you have not unwittingly sniffed too much of Gazelle's whiff to follow his style so closely ?
Will your 3 kids belonging to your sibling be in any position to influence of change the effects from the larger number of brats that you have assumed to exist ?
Personal, I have no maids of my own. But my sister does. The Maid come over to help take care of 3 kids belonging to my Sis & Bro. My mother is getting in her age and need the help with 3 super active kids.
But I make known to the children when the maid 1st come -
1) That they are never to command the maid for anything.......
2) The are NEVER allow to hit the maid.... which 1 of the girls already kena from me
3) They have to speak politly to the maid at ALL TIMES.
Luckily so far everything is ok...... They treat the maid as a big Sister. So hopfully.... this brunch won't turn out to be Brats
Hopefully, the larger population of brats will not effectively put peer pressure on the 3 kids in your family as they grow into teenagers and adulthood.
Our immediate environment is created as much by ourselves as it is affected by the larger value systems imposed onto society by the Superior Powers.
Singaporeans are what we are as a result of the environment created by the Government.
Should we deny the fact that the Government increase to the wages for the Civil Service and the Cabinet Ministers have not similarly given just cause for all kinds of increases across the board in Singapore ?
The Morality in the Money Chase has been boosted - so much for moral values. -
Another brazen charge by Gazelle into his self-created BS ?Originally posted by Gazelle:The average economic growth for Singapore from 1980 to 1997 is 8.05% per year. This might explain why the kids grew up during that time are spoilt.
8.05% in 1987 - the year the Singapore economy crashed, and with the effects lingering through 1991 at least ?
8.05% in 1997 - the grand slam in the Asian Currency Crisis that started in Thailand and spread across Southeast Asia to South Korea ?
Did you just returned from your flight of fantasy ?
Sniffed something different in the higher altitudes and still floating in Cloud 9 ? -
Obviously some people doesnt seem to understand the word AVERAGE and they always think they are the smartest in this forum.Originally posted by Atobe:Another brazen charge by Gazelle into his self-created BS ?
8.05% in 1987 - the year the Singapore crashed, and with the effects lingering through 1991 at least ?
8.05% in 1997 - the grand slam in Currency Crisis that started in Thailand and spread across Southeast Asia to South Korea ?
Did you just returned from your flight of fantasy ?
Sniffed something different in the higher altitudes and still floating ?
As for those who are interested to know more about the details, instead of listening to some liars, please check out the below website.
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/stats/themes/economy/hist/gdp1.html
I suspect the atobe will try to question the reliability of the content since it is from a gov.sg website. whats new!! -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
That is the problem with those who will believe the MIW completely and swallow ''hook, line and sinker'' that is thrown out.
Obviously some people doesnt seem to understand the word AVERAGE and they always think they are the smartest in this forum.
As for those who are interested to know more about the details, instead of listening to some liars, please check out the below website.
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/stats/themes/economy/hist/gdp1.html
I suspect the atobe will try to question the reliability of the content since it is from a gov.sg website. whats new!!
Have you not proven yourself for your skillful indiscretion in sniffing at anything and accepting the whiff that is emitted ?
Can statistics - average or otherwise - tell anyone about the social conditions that exist in any moment in time ?
Is it not simplistic and superficial to link the increase in spoilt brats to the wealth resulting from an average of 10 year GDP growth ?
Have you compared your preferred economic statistic to the other statistics that will reveal the crimes [including its types], marital & divorce, scuicides, the increases in the number of patients at the Institute of Mental Health, and the number of elderly being registered into Homes for the Aged ? -
off topic!!Originally posted by Atobe:That is the problem with those who will believe the MIW completely and swallow ''hook, line and sinker'' that is thrown out.
Have you not proven yourself for your skillful indiscretion in sniffing at anything and accepting the whiff that is emitted ?
Can statistics - average or otherwise - tell anyone about the social conditions that exist in any moment in time ?
Is it not simplistic and superficial to link the increase in spoilt brats to the wealth resulting from an average of 10 year GDP growth ?
Have you compared your preferred economic statistic to the other statistics that will reveal the crimes [including its types], marital & divorce, scuicides, the increases in the number of patients at the Institute of Mental Health, and the number of elderly being registered into Homes for the Aged ? -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Not satisfied at sniffing in your flights of fancy, and coming back to sniff at ground zero now ?
off topic!!
Can we believe your brilliance in any ability to discern what is on or off topic ?
A sheep under a Gazelle skin telling others what is off topic, when you have no answer to the issues raised ?
Try topping up your credibility account before playing poker with others. -
8.05% in 1987 - the year the Singapore crashed, and with the effects lingering through 1991 at least ?Originally posted by Atobe:Not satisfied at sniffing in your flights of fancy, and coming back to sniff at ground zero now ?
Can we believe your brilliance in any ability to discern what is on or off topic ?
A sheep under a Gazelle skin telling others what is off topic, when you have no answer to the issues raised ?
Try topping up your credibility account before playing poker with others.
Again, you are tring to distort the facts by making stupid claims (see above)
The fact is that the economic growth for Singapore during that period is 1987 (9.8%) 1988 (11.5%) 1989 (10%), 1990 (9.2%), 1991 (6.2%) -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Do you know how to use the statistics given by the Statistics Department ?
[b]8.05% in 1987 - the year the Singapore crashed, and with the effects lingering through 1991 at least ?
Again, you are tring to distort the facts by making stupid claims (see above)
The fact is that the economic growth for Singapore during that period is 1987 (9.8%) 1988 (11.5%) 1989 (10%), 1990 (9.2%), 1991 (6.2%)
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Read the fine prints carefully and not simply the headlines - it tells about GDP growth in the previous years, and it does not tell anything about the social well being.
How do you intend to prove that the parents are so well off that they are lavishing on their kids to the extent of spoiling them ? -
Atobe, please check and varify your data first before posting. And please dont tell me what to read when you cant even get your facts right.Originally posted by Atobe:Do you know how to use the statistics given by the Statistics Department ?
Read the fine prints carefully and not simply the headlines - it tells about GDP growth in the previous years, and it does not tell anything about the social well being.
How do you intend to prove that the parents are so well off that they are lavishing on their kids to the extent of spoiling them ?
As far as I know, many singaporeans make alot of money from properties during the economic boom in the 80s and 90s. And COE price was more than $100,000 during that time, and jobless rate at record low, and people are all queing overnight just to buy property. If this is not an example of wealth, please tell me what is. -
No, I don't agree.Originally posted by Gazelle:Do you agree that Singaporeans born in the 80s are mostly spoilt brats?
Its in the Bible, I think the Book of Corrinthians.
It lament that youths are spoilt, lazy and disrespectful of elders.
That means, spoilt brats have been around since time immemorial.
Furthermore mostly people are not spoilt. -
y u bias against us one
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say.. when were you born?Originally posted by Gazelle:Do you agree that Singaporeans born in the 80s are mostly spoilt brats?
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So again.... lets blame the Govt.... we are totally not at fault for anything..... only the Govt is.... our children grow up bad, Govt's fault....Originally posted by AtobeWill your 3 kids belonging to your sibling be in any position to influence of change the effects from the larger number of brats that you have assumed to exist ?
Hopefully, the larger population of brats will not effectively put peer pressure on the 3 kids in your family as they grow into teenagers and adulthood.
Our immediate environment is created as much by ourselves as it is affected by the larger value systems imposed onto society by the Superior Powers.
Singaporeans are what we are as a result of the environment created by the Government.
Should we deny the fact that the Government increase to the wages for the Civil Service and the Cabinet Ministers have not similarly given just cause for all kinds of increases across the board in Singapore ?
The Morality in the Money Chase has been boosted - so much for moral values
Don't you ever get tried of this self pity
I mean, no one here seems to want to be resposible for themselve anymore.... just so much easier to put the blame on someone.... something.... May I ask is the Govt resposible or are you resposible for your OWN child's up-bringing
You said on another thread that -Will you not speak out and change the ''wrongs'' in someone else's Rights ?
Well.... unlike you, I very much prefer my own action then just 'speech'. The up-bringing of my sibling children is best done by the parent and not wait for the Govt or Public to come to some moral awakening.
Speaking out..... as is done countless time here. Doesn't bring result anytime soon.
And I'm soooo lookin forward to see how you propose the World should stop the Money Chase.....