Singaporeans born in the 80s are mostly spoilt brat?
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If you are lookin for figures..... there isn't any. I don't think the Govt is so free as to conduct a poll on "how often do one see a Spoilt Brat".Originally posted by AtobeFor a while I was wondering if you were serious with your D6 remarks, now I wonder if it has also affected your general approach in critical thinking as well ?
Are you into paediatric psychology - as CSJ is - to come up with a general statement such as this ?
How many of such a scenario in an assumed number of 500,000 Singaporeans who are parents, and over how long a period of personal observation to such scenes that have led you to such a brazen statement ?
I am beginning to wonder if you have not unwittingly sniffed too much of Gazelle's whiff to follow his style so closely ?
And neither am I free enough to sit outside a shopping centre, following and counting how many Brats does as I said eariler. But I do see similar case enough to stick to my views.
So.... unless you did a poll on your own, on "how often do one see a Spoilt Brat".... U could hardly justify saying my views is a "brazen statement".
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Hmmm .... it is 20 years plus ..... by now they are not fresh, not just spoilt, rotten!Originally posted by Gazelle:Do you agree that Singaporeans born in the 80s are mostly spoilt brats? -
General characteristics of individual who r born in the 80's 90's.
One of the common charactertics share among young individual who r born in the 80's n 90's have a sense of entitment. I do not know where this sense of entitlment come from but it is there.
It is less willing or less likely to work for an idea they would want to see the result or expect reward before committing. It is difficult to tell if they want to work smart or taking the easy wayout.
With the ease of Web base technology, their opinons are probably louder, These perharps encourage them to express their desire openly, and r easily influencing back n fore globally They are good for market researcher to review trends and behavior.
Although they have opinon but generally lack the abilities to follow thru into action. Unless they see result thru their expression as such it is almost Random. -
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yes a response we call spoon feeding.Originally posted by GHoST_18:statistics..?
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Are you certain that you were in Singapore to observe ''people are all queing overnight just to buy property'' ?
Atobe, please check and varify your data first before posting. And please dont tell me what to read when you cant even get your facts right.
As far as I know, many singaporeans make alot of money from properties during the economic boom in the 80s and 90s. And COE price was more than $100,000 during that time, and jobless rate at record low, and people are all queing overnight just to buy property. If this is not an example of wealth, please tell me what is.
Economic boom in the 80s and 90s ?
Are you sure that your dependence on one single data source will provide the full picture of a rosy economic golden period from the 1980s to the 1990s ?
COE price was more than $100,000 during that time ?
Which particular time are you referring to the Year 1985 or Year 1997 specifically, or the period between 1985 to 1997 ?
Are you not again fixxated with your focus on the bold numbers without considering other factors in coming to your skewed conclusions ?
Did you find out that COE was implemented only on 1 May 1990 ?
COE during 1980s ? Another Gazelle flight of fantasy ?
Was the $100,000 COE price due to the economic boom, or the blind rush to desparately own a car as a result of a new policy being implemented for car control ? How did you arrive at the brilliant general remark that the high COE was a reflection of economic boom across the period from the 80s to the 90s ?
If you are more realistic with your use of statistics, you could have picked up the following information and perhaps would have been more careful in relying only on one piece of data produced by the Department of Statistics.
Are you not aware that the statistics that you gave is only a general indicator of the state of the economy, and even if the economy is seen to be booming - not all sectors are performing in sync.
An extract from a 1998 Report prepared by the Monetary Authority of Singapore had indicated that
''Between 1981-1985, GDP growth was derived entirely from growth in services, while the rest of the economy reeled from the effects of world recession in the early- and mid-1980s. While the service sector provides that extra boost to GDP growth. The manufacturing sector has been the swing factor behind the GDP growth from one year to the next.''
''The greater stability of services growth rates as a whole belies wide fluctuations in growth within certain subsectors, however. Based on standard measures of volatility, the commerce sector exhibited wider swings in growth rates than manufacturing, while the volatility of transport and communications was not much smaller.''
While you have depended on economic progress that allow parents to spoil the kids born in the 80s - your statistic data is based on GDP at Market Prices.
If you truly want to know how much Singaporeans are actually benefitting from Economic Progress, should you not be considering GDP based on Income Approach - as prepared by the Department of Statistics, Ministry of Trade and Industry ?
Did you simply grab something just to prove your point of view ?
You may wish to see the vast difference in compensation paid by the different sectors of the economy during the period 1980 to 1997 - [from PDF Page 45 to 48 of 52 pages] - but it was unfortunate that this report had its data at mid-1997, and the impact of the 1997 financial crash was not shown, as the full impact of the crash kicked-in only during August-September 1997.
Yes, you are correct insofar as there was a property boom but did you consider the bust cycles as well ?
Here is an extract from a paper on Housing prices and aggregate consumption in Singapore prepared by Assoc-Prof Phang Sock-Yong, Singapore Management University published on 4 July 2002.
''Housing prices increased by 139% between 1979 and 1983, then dropped by 27 % with the bust in 1985 coinciding with SingaporeÂ’s first general recession since independence.
The housing market picked up again in 1987, with the housing price index more than tripling between 1987 and 1996 (a 256% increase).
This was a period of strong economic recovery and growth (Figure 2), which also witnessed the liberalization of regulations governing the purchase and financing of HDB resale flats (Phang and Wong, 1996).
The bust from mid-1996 followed the implementation of anti-speculation measures and was exacerbated by the Asian crisis of 1997, with the index falling 43% from 1996 to 1998''
If times are so good - as you have claimed - an ''abstract of a research on suicide in Singapore'' has indicated the following:
'' Suicide and parasuicide rates have increased in Singapore since 1980 and in 1986 were estimated to be 13.1 per 100,000 and 92 per 100,000 respectively. Those most prone to suicidal behaviour are the Indians and the aged above 70 years. Jumping from a height is still the commonest method of suicide and self-poisoning is the most popular method of parasuicide.''
In a separate report prepared by the Asia-Pacific Population Journal : Suicide in Countries and Areas of the ESCAP - Region, confirmed the suicide rate in 1994 for Singapore to be 13.1 per 100,000 persons for males, and 8.5 for females - compared to the China's Urban population [5.8 Males, 6.0 Females], Hong Kong [11.4 Males, 9.10 Females], South Korea [12.6 Males, 5.5 Females].
What could possibly be the high rates of suicide during this period of boom of the 80s and 90s as you have claimed ?
Did you get your facts right that 1980s and the 1990s are boom years ?
You just will not accept sound advice when I told you to read carefully and be more discerning in reading beyond the bold prints - before charging with an empty credibility account to play poker with anyone. -
[color=darkred]In your last post, you did print the following:-Originally posted by hloc:
[quote:]Original post by Atobe
Will your 3 kids belonging to your sibling be in any position to influence of change the effects from the larger number of brats that you have assumed to exist ?
Hopefully, the larger population of brats will not effectively put peer pressure on the 3 kids in your family as they grow into teenagers and adulthood.
Our immediate environment is created as much by ourselves as it is affected by the larger value systems imposed onto society by the Superior Powers.
Singaporeans are what we are as a result of the environment created by the Government.
Should we deny the fact that the Government increase to the wages for the Civil Service and the Cabinet Ministers have not similarly given just cause for all kinds of increases across the board in Singapore ?
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So again.... lets blame the Govt.... we are totally not at fault for anything..... only the Govt is.... our children grow up bad, Govt's fault....
Don't you ever get tried of this self pity
I mean, no one here seems to want to be resposible for themselve anymore.... just so much easier to put the blame on someone.... something.... [b]May I ask is the Govt resposible or are you resposible for your OWN child's up-bringing [/quote]
Self-pity in blaming the government - this is a new angle to look at things. You should consider to up your self-imposed modest D6 grade - at least for original thinking.
Why should we get tired of blaming the Government, when they appointed themselves as the self-acclaimed talented handful and who will want to play the paternalistic role to dictate every aspect of how, why, when, where and what we should be doing on this Little Red Dot ?
Do you want to take responsibility for those parts of your Life that are beyond your own control and 'Fixed' by the Government ?
You said on another thread that -
Will you not speak out and change the ''wrongs'' in someone else's Rights ?
Well.... unlike you, I very much prefer my own action then just 'speech'. The up-bringing of my sibling children is best done by the parent and not wait for the Govt or Public to come to some moral awakening.
But I make known to the children when the maid 1st come -
1) That they are never to command the maid for anything.......
2) The are NEVER allow to hit the maid.... which 1 of the girls already kena from me
3) They have to speak politly to the maid at ALL TIMES.
What is within one's own control, we should take charge - but in one's own existence in Singapore, how much control of your own political, cultural, educational, and economical future have you got - [counting out the social parts ?
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Speaking out..... as is done countless time here. Doesn't bring result anytime soon.
And I'm soooo lookin forward to see how you propose the World should stop the Money Chase..... Can we stop the entire World from the money chase, when we cannot even control the events in this little Red Dot - especailly when the controls to our future is hijacked by the Government ?
Why will you adopt such a pessimistic view ?
Some of our discussions here have enlightened some die-hard MIW supporters - and some fence-sitters, after they decided to see the World in this Little Red Dot with a new set of glasses besides the ones prescribed to them by the MIW. -
No, I will not expect the Singapore Government to spent money in this useless exercise of determining how wide a population consist of the Singaporean Spoilt Brat - especially when such good Singaporeans' money can be used to spend on more Shin Corp deals.Originally posted by hloc:
Originally posted by Atobe
For a while I was wondering if you were serious with your D6 remarks, now I wonder if it has also affected your general approach in critical thinking as well ?
Are you into paediatric psychology - as CSJ is - to come up with a general statement such as this ?
How many of such a scenario in an assumed number of 500,000 Singaporeans who are parents, and over how long a period of personal observation to such scenes that have led you to such a brazen statement ?
I am beginning to wonder if you have not unwittingly sniffed too much of Gazelle's whiff to follow his style so closely ?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are lookin for figures..... there isn't any. I don't think the Govt is so free as to conduct a poll on "how often do one see a Spoilt Brat".
And neither am I free enough to sit outside a shopping centre, following and counting how many Brats does as I said eariler. But I do see similar case enough to stick to my views.
So.... unless you did a poll on your own, on "how often do one see a Spoilt Brat".... U could hardly justify saying my views is a "brazen statement".
The sad part of this entire matter is that Gazelle has made a brazen statement without any supporting basis, and while he had frequently queried others if their general statement made is based on speculation or some supporting base - the Resident Gazelle will not submit himself to the same standards.
Unfortunately, you were snared into this debate by making a general statement that is sweeping - if not brazen - and paint in a broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats.
If as you have said that you are not standing on his side, at least do not follow his style by making flimsy statements without any basis. -
I agree with you totallyOriginally posted by Arapahoe:General characteristics of individual who r born in the 80's 90's.
One of the common charactertics share among young individual who r born in the 80's n 90's have a sense of entitment. I do not know where this sense of entitlment come from but it is there.
It is less willing or less likely to work for an idea they would want to see the result or expect reward before committing. It is difficult to tell if they want to work smart or taking the easy wayout.
With the ease of Web base technology, their opinons are probably louder, These perharps encourage them to express their desire openly, and r easily influencing back n fore globally They are good for market researcher to review trends and behavior.
Although they have opinon but generally lack the abilities to follow thru into action. Unless they see result thru their expression as such it is almost Random. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Atobe,
Are you certain that you were in Singapore to observe ''people are all queing overnight just to buy property'' ?
Economic boom in the 80s and 90s ?
Are you sure that your dependence on one single data source will provide the full picture of a rosy economic golden period from the 1980s to the 1990s ?
COE price was more than $100,000 during that time ?
Which particular time are you referring to the Year 1985 or Year 1997 specifically, or the period between 1985 to 1997 ?
Are you not again fixxated with your focus on the bold numbers without considering other factors in coming to your skewed conclusions ?
Did you find out that [b]COE was implemented only on 1 May 1990 ?
COE during 1980s ? Another Gazelle flight of fantasy ?
Was the $100,000 COE price due to the economic boom, or the blind rush to desparately own a car as a result of a new policy being implemented for car control ? How did you arrive at the brilliant general remark that the high COE was a reflection of economic boom across the period from the 80s to the 90s ?
If you are more realistic with your use of statistics, you could have picked up the following information and perhaps would have been more careful in relying only on one piece of data produced by the Department of Statistics.
Are you not aware that the statistics that you gave is only a general indicator of the state of the economy, and even if the economy is seen to be booming - not all sectors are performing in sync.
An extract from a 1998 Report prepared by the Monetary Authority of Singapore had indicated that
''Between 1981-1985, GDP growth was derived entirely from growth in services, while the rest of the economy reeled from the effects of world recession in the early- and mid-1980s. While the service sector provides that extra boost to GDP growth. The manufacturing sector has been the swing factor behind the GDP growth from one year to the next.''
''The greater stability of services growth rates as a whole belies wide fluctuations in growth within certain subsectors, however. Based on standard measures of volatility, the commerce sector exhibited wider swings in growth rates than manufacturing, while the volatility of transport and communications was not much smaller.''
While you have depended on economic progress that allow parents to spoil the kids born in the 80s - your statistic data is based on GDP at Market Prices.
If you truly want to know how much Singaporeans are actually benefitting from Economic Progress, should you not be considering GDP based on Income Approach - as prepared by the Department of Statistics, Ministry of Trade and Industry ?
Did you simply grab something just to prove your point of view ?
You may wish to see the vast difference in compensation paid by the different sectors of the economy during the period 1980 to 1997 - [from PDF Page 45 to 48 of 52 pages] - but it was unfortunate that this report had its data at mid-1997, and the impact of the 1997 financial crash was not shown, as the full impact of the crash kicked-in only during August-September 1997.
Yes, you are correct insofar as there was a property boom but did you consider the bust cycles as well ?
Here is an extract from a paper on Housing prices and aggregate consumption in Singapore prepared by Assoc-Prof Phang Sock-Yong, Singapore Management University published on 4 July 2002.
''Housing prices increased by 139% between 1979 and 1983, then dropped by 27 % with the bust in 1985 coinciding with SingaporeÂ’s first general recession since independence.
The housing market picked up again in 1987, with the housing price index more than tripling between 1987 and 1996 (a 256% increase).
This was a period of strong economic recovery and growth (Figure 2), which also witnessed the liberalization of regulations governing the purchase and financing of HDB resale flats (Phang and Wong, 1996).
The bust from mid-1996 followed the implementation of anti-speculation measures and was exacerbated by the Asian crisis of 1997, with the index falling 43% from 1996 to 1998''
If times are so good - as you have claimed - an ''abstract of a research on suicide in Singapore'' has indicated the following:
'' Suicide and parasuicide rates have increased in Singapore since 1980 and in 1986 were estimated to be 13.1 per 100,000 and 92 per 100,000 respectively. Those most prone to suicidal behaviour are the Indians and the aged above 70 years. Jumping from a height is still the commonest method of suicide and self-poisoning is the most popular method of parasuicide.''
In a separate report prepared by the Asia-Pacific Population Journal : Suicide in Countries and Areas of the ESCAP - Region, confirmed the suicide rate in 1994 for Singapore to be 13.1 per 100,000 persons for males, and 8.5 for females - compared to the China's Urban population [5.8 Males, 6.0 Females], Hong Kong [11.4 Males, 9.10 Females], South Korea [12.6 Males, 5.5 Females].
What could possibly be the high rates of suicide during this period of boom of the 80s and 90s as you have claimed ?
Did you get your facts right that 1980s and the 1990s are boom years ?
You just will not accept sound advice when I told you to read carefully and be more discerning in reading beyond the bold prints - before charging with an empty credibility account to play poker with anyone.
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1) COE prices durng 1990 to 1998 is a clear reflection of the wealth of Singaporean during the 80s and 90s.
http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/doc/COE_Result_1990_1999.pdf
2) Economic data cannot be dispute by simply quoting a MAS article which is guessing the future. An 8.05% average growth rate is something which only China and India can achieve in today's enviroment, if you dont think that is a boom era of Singapore, what is?
3) As you have stated that property price has grown by an average of 25.6% annually from 1987 to 1996, doesnt that support my statement that Singaporeans make loads of money from property during that time?
Honestly I really dont know what the rubbish are you arguing.
For the sake of forumers here, I would also appreciate if you could keep your writting short and sharp and dont try to win an argument by writing long arse BS essays which nobody would want to read and reply. -
When I told you I had only a D6 in English..... it was meant to explain why at times.... my views are hard to understand, because I find it hard to express myself in good English or in good complete sentence.Originally posted by Atobe:Self-pity in blaming the government - this is a new angle to look at things. You should consider to up your self-imposed modest D6 grade - at least for original thinking.
But U seems to delight in reminding me of my D6. Again, are you trying to tell me that just because I have a D6..... must my views automatic be less good, just because I can't express myself as well Will I be a lesser Man just because you don't approve my views Do I need your approval inorder to consider myself of having original thinking.
What you just said smack of Self-Righteous at Best.... and Elite thinking at worst
My remark was -Originally posted by Atobe:Unfortunately, you were snared into this debate by making a general statement that is sweeping - if not brazen - and paint in a broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats.
If as you have said that you are not standing on his side, at least do not follow his style by making flimsy statements without any basis.I've seen young child of about 7yrs old, screening at the maid to do his bidding while the parent act blur in public......
Did I said I saw 10 or 100000 such kids
I disagree that most of the kids are like dat..... but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting.... Could I have said I saw one 7yr old kid As in - I've seen elephant sh*tting..... - Does that means I've saw all the elephants in the world sh*tting at the same time And didn't I added that I don't think most of the kids behave in such ways So where is this - "broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats'' - you talkin about
And again when I said that - "but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting" - .... was I refering to 10 or 100000 parents
May I ask what is your - "broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats'' - base on Is it of me having lower English grade than you -
Coming back to spoilt brat, I seen many parents carrying their bags. For the boys to go NS, later for the 10 km or 24 km route march, wonder if they called
their papa to do the route march? -
There was report that maids carry their full pack from jetty to their parents waiting cars. And then again on the return trip.....Originally posted by will4:Coming back to spoilt brat, I seen many parents carrying their bags. For the boys to go NS, later for the 10 km or 24 km route march, wonder if they called
their papa to do the route march?
But of course ppl here would need a poll on how many ppl saw it inorder to believe that such things does happen......
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During my BMT back seven years back, my CSM from BMT warned us not to get caught by him letting our full pack carried by our parents when we booked out.Originally posted by hloc:There was report that maids carry their full pack from jetty to their parents waiting cars. And then again on the return trip.....
But of course ppl here would need a poll on how many ppl saw it inorder to believe that such things does happen......
At the rate this is going, parents might soon proposed letting foreign troops to take our defence n NS can reduced to a year. -
I guess singaporeans parent should be glad that we have NS in Singapore or else, they will still have to continue babysitting their children for the rest of their life.Originally posted by will4:During my BMT back seven years back, my CSM from BMT warned us not to get caught by him letting our full pack carried by our parents when we booked out.
At the rate this is going, parents might soon proposed letting foreign troops to take our defence n NS can reduced to a year. -
The NS of today is no longer the same like those in who went thru in 1990s until 1997 in which parents started to complain this n that.Originally posted by Gazelle:I guess singaporeans parent should be glad that we have NS in Singapore or else, they will still have to continue babysitting their children for the rest of their life.
Do u think those regulars are not afraid to lose their chances of being promoted or worse court martialled n get kikced out of their organization? -
i got no maid to carry bag for me even tho my family income not bad leh... my mum ll hit us last time if we do some wrong stuff leh? liddis called spoilt le ah?
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Another brilliant Gazelle attempt to read more then what cold numerical data intend to show - how did you draw social conclusions from simply a single data source ?
Atobe,
1) COE prices durng 1990 to 1998 is a clear reflection of the wealth of Singaporean during the 80s and 90s.
http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/doc/COE_Result_1990_1999.pdf
Did you read what I have posted with regards to COE ?
The $100,000 COE was that an indication of desparation in the mad scramble to own a car in the early days of COE, when for some reason - everyone feel that a motor vehicle is essential for normal Life in Singapore ?
In any case, was the COE system an open system during the first ten years of implementation ? There were many calls for it to be an open system but it remains secretive and non-transparent, leading to many accusations that the system was abused by Commercial Vehicle Dealership and Traders.
There were also apprehensive suspicion that the Government was manipulating the COE prices, and that the COE prices were not actually based on any real average of any bids from would-be car owners.
Under such circumstances, can anyone conclude that Life was great then, when business vehicles were subject to high COE and with the cost passed on to the consumers in the product prices ?
When looking back into the past, can one rely on single source of economic data alone - to determine that Life was good during the period under critical review ?
2) Economic data cannot be dispute by simply quoting a MAS article which is guessing the future. An 8.05% average growth rate is something which only China and India can achieve in today's enviroment, if you dont think that is a boom era of Singapore, what is?
What does numbers show beyond the abstract numerical prints ?
Should one not also depend on other related economic and social reports for the same period in order to get a more conclusive picture ?
With your statement, it clearly show up your poor reading ability to spot only my referenced MAS report, but missed out the other research papers from at least 2 to 3 other sources to form a complete picture of what Life was like in Singapore during this subject period.
Have you zipped by without clicking on the referenced articles printed boldly in blue ?
If you bury your nose too deep into the pile and interested only to seek out rubbish - all you will get is simply rubbish.
3) As you have stated that property price has grown by an average of 25.6% annually from 1987 to 1996, doesnt that support my statement that Singaporeans make loads of money from property during that time?
Honestly I really dont know what the rubbish are you arguing.
Do you have any statistics to substantiate your claims that Singaporeans make loads of money from property during that time ?
What do you think could be a reasonable number of Singaporeans from a population of 4.5 million that is making money from the property market ?
1 million singaporeans out 4 million, or 100,000 out of 4 million, or 1,000 out of 4 million, or 100 out of 4 million, or just the Big Man himself making the most out of the 4 million ?
Another sweeping statement based on pure Gazelle-type of speculation ?
Is it more for your own sake, or that of forumers ?
For the sake of forumers here, I would also appreciate if you could keep your writting short and sharp and dont try to win an argument by writing long arse BS essays which nobody would want to read and reply.
Why do you constantly appoint yourself to be the spokesman for others in this Speakers' Corner - when many here have found you to be revolting ?
If you cannot handle and express beyond one-liners that do not support your line too well, you should learn to be more expressive and more substantive with your post.
This way, you will be able to keep your nose clean from getting into unnecessary mis-understanding to what you have posted in simple one-liners - that is simply inadequate to clear any doubts to your preferred publc positions taken.
If you prefer to see BS then it shall be BS for your sniffing ability at others efforts.
No one can stop you from not participating with any rebuttal, no one invited you to read and respond. You could stay out by not responding.
It simply shows your fetish in insisting on poking your nose into every pile even when you feel that it is pure BS.
It is your usual undiscerning judgment that no one can help you with. -
Originally posted by hloc:
Have I stepped on a sore point with you ?
[quote]Originally posted by Atobe:
Self-pity in blaming the government - this is a new angle to look at things. You should consider to up your self-imposed modest D6 grade - at least for original thinking.
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When I told you I had only a D6 in English..... it was meant to explain why at times.... my views are hard to understand, because I find it hard to express myself in good English or in good complete sentence.
But U seems to delight in reminding me of my D6. Again, are you trying to tell me that just because I have a D6..... must my views automatic be less good, just because I can't express myself as well Will I be a lesser Man just because you don't approve my views Do I need your approval inorder to consider myself of having original thinking.
What you just said smack of Self-Righteous at Best.... and Elite thinking at worst
I thought that you were being very modest with your D6 claim in English despite the fact that you have posted very convincing pieces in various threads in the Speakers' Corner; and more so with this piece - which I have proposed that you should have given yourself more credit at least for Original Thinking, if you insist in continuing to be modest with your D6 claim.
As much as you enjoy the irony of being so modest with your D6 claim, I thought that I should simply assist your enjoyment further with this fact.
Self-righteous and elitism ? Hardly accurate, as it was purely altruistic and honest in seeing your angle being truly ORIGINAL.Originally posted by Atobe:
Did you not provide the clarification to the question that I had raised ?
Unfortunately, you were snared into this debate by making a general statement that is sweeping - if not brazen - and paint in a broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats.
If as you have said that you are not standing on his side, at least do not follow his style by making flimsy statements without any basis.
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My remark was -
''I've seen young child of about 7yrs old, screening at the maid to do his bidding while the parent act blur in public......
I disagree that most of the kids are like dat..... but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting.... ''
Did I said I saw 10 or 100000 such kids Could I have said I saw one 7yr old kid As in - I've seen elephant sh*tting..... - Does that means I've saw all the elephants in the world sh*tting at the same time And didn't I added that I don't think most of the kids behave in such ways So where is this - "broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats'' - you talkin about
And again when I said that - "but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting" - .... was I refering to 10 or 100000 parents
May I ask what is your - "broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats'' - base on Is it of me having lower English grade than you
How many did you see in the part that you said - "but there is enough of them to make me question the way their parents are parenting" ?
Yes, can you answer this same question which I had asked earlier, and which you are now asking yourself - ''....was I refering to 10 or 100000 parents'' ?
Without any indication of the basis of making such statements, are you not making a "broad stroke to tarnish the majority of Singaporean Youths as being Spoilt Brats'' ?
Public statements that criticise a whole community must be more substantive than based on some simplistic personal experience on any single event.
Hopefully, your self-imposed modesty with your claimed D6 grade will not prevent you to extend an honest understanding of what has been posted. -
Atobe, are you born in the 80s?
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Still hooked on sniffing up my end of business ?Originally posted by Gazelle:Atobe, are you born in the 80s?
So much for your ability to speculate anything - run out of ammo and side-tracking out in another less trodden path ? -
The $100,000 COE was that an indication of desparation in the mad scramble to own a car in the early days of COE, when for some reason - everyone feel that a motor vehicle is essential for normal Life in Singapore ?
I guess you are saying is the even if you are broke you can still afford to bid $100K for a COE, because FOR SOME REASON Singaporeans have this sudden urge to drive?
When looking back into the past, can one rely on single source of economic data alone - to determine that Life was good during the period under critical review ? What does numbers show beyond the abstract numerical prints ? Should one not also depend on other related economic and social reports for the same period in order to get a more conclusive picture ?
With your statement, it clearly show up your poor reading ability to spot only my referenced MAS report, but missed out the other research papers from at least 2 to 3 other sources to form a complete picture of what Life was like in Singapore during this subject period. Have you zipped by without clicking on the referenced articles printed boldly in blue ?
It is normal for big talker like you to avoid using statistic because that way you donÂ’t have to support your stupid argument. NO?
Remember this, “one accurate measurement is worth more than a 1000 opinions”
Do you have any statistics to substantiate your claims that Singaporeans make loads of money from property during that time ? What do you think could be a reasonable number of Singaporeans from a population of 4.5 million that is making money from the property market ? 1 million singaporeans out 4 million, or 100,000 out of 4 million, or 1,000 out of 4 million, or 100 out of 4 million, or just the Big Man himself making the most out of the 4 million ?
Only ignorant childish idiots will ask such stupid question. (So I guess you are going to ask if 100% of the singaporeans make money from property? And the answer is go fcuk yourself and dont waste my fcuking precious time reading your BS.) -
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Even if it's majority... It does not mean all -
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i feel very wrongly accused leh..i born 89 d but i dont tink im spoilt brat.. the prove is i dont ve a maid, i dont make my mum seem lk a maid,i do my school work, i do find jobs etc