do we need so many minister?
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Privilege is the greatest enemy of right. -Marie Von Ebner-EschenbachOriginally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Aiya, of course like that one mah.
Those pioneers minister end up will get a position like MM or SM, because they are the pioneers! I bet plus chop ar, in the next 10 years, we'll have "deputy minister mentor" position for SM Goh.
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we can have SM & MM... but cannot take $$$ one... must be voluntary oneOriginally posted by royston_ang:The Senior Minister and Minister Mentor are redundant.
Why we need Senior Minister? To teach the Prime Minister?
Why we need Minister Mentor? To teach the Senior Minister to teach the Prime Minister?
they must not be greedy and keep taking taxpayers' money...
so old liao... work for free also can... since they have so much $$$ liao -
no $$$, increase GST lo, increase ERP lo, increase PUB bills lo, if still cannot, delay retirement age to 100 years old lo.... i am not surprised...Originally posted by CryOnMyShoulders:So many ministers , our money will be gone faster. -
you rely on him ah...Originally posted by qlqq9:Truly MM and SM are there to guide the hopeless PM. As a PM who is paid the highest salary in the world can't even stand on his own. I don't think we can rely and trust such a person.
you trust him ah...
good luck... i long time give up hope liao -
but they don't suck british taxpayers' $$$ maOriginally posted by :Why does Chelsea or Man United require a big squad of players and backroom staff?
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There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed. - Mahatma GandhiOriginally posted by Seven_Dragon:we can have SM & MM... but cannot take $$$ one... must be voluntary one
they must not be greedy and keep taking taxpayers' money...
so old liao... work for free also can... since they have so much $$$ liao -
more ministers, more order laOriginally posted by blackhat007:just one word from all of you...... do we need so many minster?
Why do we need Mr Goh in the SM position?I really don't understand because Singapore is such a small country and do we really need that position?
And worst of all, that position is CREATE by no one other then Mr LEE himself.
And worst of the worst is, without any really good reason given and just create that position anyhow.
I did not see Mr Goh contribute anythings to the nation beside shaking hands around the world.And he can get the pension, salary and frame and power with that ' create from the thin air' position.And that person is Mr Lee K.Y. So much money wasted to that Mr Goh position i think so.
A point to take note is, that Mr Goh position salary, pension was paid by our tax payers money.Not forgetting our CPF sum in that Temasek holdings... also contribute to all the minister salary!
Another thing to point out is, why do we pay so much money to the president with him getting the pension , salary, power and in the end, he is just another puppet for the PAP?How many money paid to him for just like SM Goh travelling around the world shaking hands, sitting in the president office watching news but when PAP introduce something bad to our nation, he just keep his mouth shut without doing anything?
A point to take note is, he hold the key to the reserves of Singapore but instead he take orders from Mr Lee.And worst of all is, we pay so much money to him but he is nothing but another PAP puppet! Cant even help the locals to voice out our angers to the parliament.
What a waste of our tax payers money!!!
And not forgetting, why why do we need SMM position?And that position created by he himself???No law and order in Singapore but law and order from he himself?So does that mean he suka suka can create whateever position he like in order to stay in power?Or maybe because he create that SM position for Mr Goh because he knows some dirty things inside the parliament and that's why to shut his mouth up, Mr Lee create that position inorder to please him?Any idea why did we need that SM position to waste so much tax payers money?
Lastly, the point taken from the above can be summarise as , we are under one party system where they are above law and order within their own interest.With a one man emperor ruling one small nation, it can be seen as another dynasty been born in Asia.Without any party to watch over that emperor, without any good form of Anti corruption department like the ICAC of Hong Kong to watch over that thunder logo party(please forget about our own Anti corruption deparment as they are under the party, and what a laugh to say our anti corruption police will do whatever the Lee's ask them to do.I think the police wont even dare to do anything to the Lee's including their relatives, friends, without the feer of the Lee's power), our nation will be nothing but the Lee's business empire to do their own business with their own interest!!!
I hope Singaporeans will wake up from their sleep and really do something for our nation!!! Thanks for reading!!!
The below link is a must read for all Singaporeans who concern about where our money went to!!!
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/25/a-contrast-of-two-schemes-the-annuity-scheme-and-the-pension-scheme/#more-452
death rate and crime rate not that high also
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Did I mention I trust and rely on LHL in my post? Hope you are OK with your eyesight. I don't trust, rely and like him from the beginning. He is where he is because of the papa.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:you rely on him ah...
you trust him ah...
good luck... i long time give up hope liao -
More ministers more order? You sure?Originally posted by gigabyte14:more ministers, more order la
death rate and crime rate not that high also
u go iraq lor -
$$$ cannot be brought into coffins de... i am not saying anybody in particularOriginally posted by (human):There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed. - Mahatma Gandhi -
i am not saying you lah...Originally posted by qlqq9:Did I mention I trust and rely on LHL in my post? Hope you are OK with your eyesight. I don't trust, rely and like him from the beginning. He is where he is because of the papa.
you must read between the lines...
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I did not know you are using the vague style to send your message. Gotta go check on the annuity petition website now. Talk to you again.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:i am not saying you lah...
you must read between the lines...
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you must update us the latest...Originally posted by qlqq9:I did not know you are using the vague style to send your message. Gotta go check on the annuity petition website now. Talk to you again.
if you are a minister, i definitely vote for you...
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Hello, Seven_Dragon, to date as of 10.23 pm on 29 Aug 07, total signatures is 459.Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:you must update us the latest...
if you are a minister, i definitely vote for you...
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They should have the spirit of sacrifying of repaying their tributes to Singapore by providing free services. Instead of still..................drawing ridiculously high salaries from tax payers. Haven't they got enough to maintain their twilight years?Originally posted by Seven_Dragon:we can have SM & MM... but cannot take $$$ one... must be voluntary one
they must not be greedy and keep taking taxpayers' money...
so old liao... work for free also can... since they have so much $$$ liao
What's the morale standing of these two men? 
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they can draw so high salary but donate these high salary to those poor people... maybe they do so in secret... we don't know...Originally posted by Lowclassman:They should have the spirit of sacrifying of repaying their tributes to Singapore by providing free services. Instead of still..................drawing ridiculously high salaries from tax payers. Haven't they got enough to maintain their twilight years?
What's the morale standing of these two men?
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Hey Lowclassman,Originally posted by Lowclassman:They should have the spirit of sacrifying of repaying their tributes to Singapore by providing free services. Instead of still..................drawing ridiculously high salaries from tax payers. Haven't they got enough to maintain their twilight years?
What's the morale standing of these two men?
Someone in the gov already say 'there are no free meal' so we are the one who request their service.
On the other hand, we never had any chance to verify or approved their salary... right ?? -
Eh... nowadays the court has the jurisdiction to force telcos to reveal the identities of those who DEFAME MM and SM online ah.... All will kena hoot. :p
Actually, the position SM is not unique to Singapore.... it's around in a few countries so i'm not overly critical of it. But MM? First there is no precedent. Secondly the title is ridiculous and makes little sense. Thirdly, yea.. I don't think its a portfolio that ought to draw the kind of pay it does.
Mentor? All the Mentorship programmes I know thus far are those that are done voluntarily. Without Pay. -
MM.
so he's an execption la? -
I would say, Uniquely Singapore :p
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Here I disagree.Originally posted by justcooler:Hey Lowclassman,
Someone in the gov already say 'there are no free meal' so we are the one who request their service.
On the other hand, we never had any chance to verify or approved their salary... right ??
Singapore is based on Democracy.
Being silent / no objection can be taken as Approval.
So, we cannot say the People did not approve.
In my view, they People accepted without objection.
If anything, ask the People, not ask those who want higher salary.
The singpaorean mentality is more unexplanable than UFO.
You were given all the powers to approve or disapprove unless you do not aware that such exist.
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how many ways can you say "Gravy train" ?
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We had the powers to approve/disapprove? Since when?Originally posted by reddressman:Here I disagree.
Singapore is based on Democracy.
Being silent / no objection can be taken as Approval.
So, we cannot say the People did not approve.
In my view, they People accepted without objection.
If anything, ask the People, not ask those who want higher salary.
The singpaorean mentality is more unexplanable than UFO.
You were given all the powers to approve or disapprove unless you do not aware that such exist.
i. The news of the pay hike came in after elections.
[ to clarify, I have no issues with the new pay, but let us not pretend we had a say. ]
ii. The news of GST increase came in after elections.
iii. There was no referendum.
iv. No public consultation exercise.
The only thing that we had the right to approve/disapprove before the elections was whether we wanted the Progress Package.
Like it was clarified before, our style of governance is "Guided Democracy". I'm still trying to comprehend the paradox.
Hmmm.... I just though of it... We are being held ransom too.
All that about corruption and higher pay sounds like a threat.
Paraphrased it sounds like:
"If you dont let us increase our pay, we'll become corrupt"