Doesnt Dr Ang know the wages of this group of people,especially those uncle who cannot speak english, has been depressed greatly despite the boom in economy? Their lack of ability to speak English well makes it difficult to adapt?Originally posted by Gazelle:"I don't find the rates for those in their 40s and 50s surprising," said Dr Ang Yong Guan, chairman of the Action Group for Mental Illness. "What's paradoxical is the correlation that when the economy does well, the suicide rates go up."
He added: "It could be because people start seeing those around them becoming more successful, so they start to feel affected. This is unlike a recession, where everyone does not do well."Originally posted by kilua:Doesnt Dr Ang know the wages of this group of people,especially those uncle who cannot speak english, has been depressed greatly despite the boom in economy? Their lack of ability to speak English well makes it difficult to adapt?
And will these people have enough for retirement or medical bills?
err, its not mentioned. That sentence only suggest these 40-50s cant cope with others doing well and feel affected. Little is mentioned about them experiencing harder times due the larger influx of immigrants and lack of savings.Originally posted by de_middle:He added: "It could be because people start seeing those around them becoming more successful, so they start to feel affected. This is unlike a recession, where everyone does not do well."
err, its mentioned![]()
yup , maybe so..classified as unnatural death after allOriginally posted by mistyblue:maybe a lot are not reported, or some criteria is used and therefore a large number of suciders are excluded.
Never trust the numbers unless the assumptions and details of the study is made and even then there are always unreported cases.
So don't jump to conclusion and make such statements and be proud of these kinds of reports.
Didn't anyone noticed that the ST these few days keep reporting about people who lived up till 100+ years old when LHL talks about pushing back CPF draw down age and retirement age etc. Wah! How come never publicize all the high number of people who die young, or who die before even taking a single cent or as most of us, will only live to about 70s only.
I am afraid that those figures are based on suicide rate per 100,000 people per year, hence size of nation will not distort the figures as what you are hoping for.Originally posted by mistyblue:Why big countries has higher suicide rates might be because they simply have more people.
Just as why the cream of the crop from USA, China and any large size country will be better than the cream of the crop from Singapore... Because they have more people in a larger country. Its a number game.
Don't read too much into numbers especially distilled ones where you do not know the basis of such numbers and how they arise.
Originally posted by HyperFocal:I dont quite understand why he is posting the same article that has already been posted right from the beginning.
[b]Middle-age suicide rate up: report
By Lee U-Wen, TODAY | Posted: 29 August 2007 1001 hrs
SINGAPORE: The figures point to a worrying trend - more men in their 40s and women in their 50s have committed suicide since 2003.
In that year, there were 14 suicides for every 100,000 men in their 40s, according to government figures released yesterday. This increased to 19 per 100,000 last year.
For women, there were eight suicides per 100,000 of those in their 50s in 2003. The figure rose to 13 per 100,000 last year.
According to earlier media reports, 419 people took their lives last year, up from 346 in 2003.
Still, Singapore's overall suicide rate for those between 45 and 54 years old is lower than that of places such as Hong Kong, Japan and Switzerland, said Community Development, Youth and Sports Minister Vivian Balakrishnan.
Nonetheless, the rates reflected a "worrying trend" as each suicide was a "tragic loss" for both the family and community, he said in a written reply to a question posed by Hougang MP Low Thia Khiang.
Dr Balakrishnan also revealed that an Inter-Ministry Working Group on Mental Health, chaired by Ministry of Health permanent secretary Yong Ying-I, had been formed to study ways to improve the mental and emotional resilience of Singaporeans.
"I don't find the rates for those in their 40s and 50s surprising," said Dr Ang Yong Guan, chairman of the Action Group for Mental Illness. "What's paradoxical is the correlation that when the economy does well, the suicide rates go up."
He added: "It could be because people start seeing those around them becoming more successful, so they start to feel affected. This is unlike a recession, where everyone does not do well."
Dr Balakrishnan also noted that each suicide case "is unique" and often accompanied by a combination of problems. "Contributing factors such as personality traits, mental health and socio-cultural environment may also play a role."
To mark Suicide Awareness Week, which is held between Sept 22 and 29, the Samaritans of Singapore (SOS) is organising two forums that will address issues like how to help someone with suicidal tendencies.
SOS' latest annual report said that more women attempted suicide than men. Chinese women, married and between 20 and 30 years old, appeared to be the most vulnerable. Marital and family relationship problems were the main reasons.
Meanwhile, the Government will pump more resources into mental health promotion and treatment. The Health Promotion Board, with other public agencies and the private sector, is expanding such programmes, said Dr Balakrishnan. - TODAY/ym
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Originally posted by Gazelle:Is there not something odd in this direction of thinking ?
I am afraid that those figures are based on suicide rate per 100,000 people per year, hence size of nation will not distort the figures as what you are hoping for.
Atobe,Originally posted by Atobe:Is there not something odd in this direction of thinking ?
If a population has 1,000,000,000 - is it not obvious that there will be more contemplating some similar actions to a population of 100,000 ?
The standard of measure using 100,000 as a group is only a convenient form of comparison - does it regulate the base number that contribute the input ?
I agree, it is the increasing number of suicides that is a concern. Have you any idea if the suicide rate is inclusive of the suicides of the patients in hospitals?Originally posted by HyperFocal:It is not based on Size of Population, but rather on the INCREASING RATE/S of suicide year on year or decade by decade...
Another Gazelle style at premature ejaculation of some useless celebratory joy ?Originally posted by Gazelle:Atobe,
Do you expect anyone here to believe what you said? or are you just trying your luck and hoping that what you guess might be correct?
(EUROPE)
Germany
Population : 82m
Suicide Rate : 13.5
Finland
Population : 5.3m
Suicide Rate : 20.6
(ASIA)
Singapore
Population : 4.5m
Suicide Rate 9.5
Philippines
Population : 88.7m
Suicide Rate : 2.1
Another failed attemp from ATOBE...![]()
Instead of defending your arguement LOGICALLY, you are resorting to name calling.......I guess you are just one empty vessel trying his luck in this forum huh?Originally posted by Atobe:Another Gazelle style at premature ejaculation of some useless celebratory joy ?
Another failed attempt from ATOBE - compared to the many Gazelle's failure, have you become so familiar with failure that you will see it so quickly in someone else before you have even proved anything ?
Beyond the cold numbers - how much do you understand in the nature behind the high suicide rates from amongst all the rich and poor countries ?
Or are you simply satisfied that Singapore is buried under the pile of high enders ?