Planning to sign on? Read this.
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wow. very interesting posts by all these ex-regulars. please contribute more
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Well, even if you never signed on, we still have to serve those 10 years of reservist shat and will still have to take IPPT until 40 years old.
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Corrections. The one u mean is not Radm but COA right? A BG who quit SMRT. The Radm u talking about is Kwek Siew Jin ( correct spelling?) He is a good CEO at that time.Originally posted by Othello_Red:Most of us take a very harsh view of signing on. I admit that I did that too. I still don't view signing on as a viable career option unless yor really have no choice.
When I did my NS, it was really my first oppurtunity to be with people who were genuinely less fortunate than me. For me, signing on is just one of several choices, for them, it may be the only choice. It is rather unfortunate for them, but one lesson that can be learnt from the many who have becomed disillusioned is this, before you sign on, have a goal. Use your time and money during your bond/contract to work towards that goal. Use regular service as a stepping stone rather than as the main focal point of your career.
Let's face it, only a few actually can be promoted due to merit. My 1st CSM during my NS days was one such person. Army mad, high-flying EOD guy who devoted his whole life to the army. Last I heard was that his wife divorced him. He's now pretty young for a 2WO, but is it really worth it?
And yes, command positions in such forces are not viewed as relevant work experience by the private sector. Even some government organizations don't view it as such. One RAdm made a huge mess of SMRT, because he kept pulling rank. Remember, always think thrice before signing on. -
No more 40 yrs old. Once u r in Mindef Reserved, no need to take IPPT. I turn MR at the age of 34.Originally posted by Lim Wei Ming:Well, even if you never signed on, we still have to serve those 10 years of reservist shat and will still have to take IPPT until 40 years old. -
ya i was thinking have a gathering of all ex-regular of this thread
all ex-regular who interested ,i can give my hp upon Private msg
sit down and talk abt the good old days of serving the creed sitting on top of the sabre , anchor and wings -
initially i have problem accomodating to the outside world , as the interviewer always frown seriously when looking at my resume mention "in the military for 6 years "
seriously its a sad fact , they think most regular who left are those who cannot make it .
of course i met ex-regular who interviewed me ,was very informal and not so tense up
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Pardon me, I was stuck under a rock back there.Originally posted by Manager433:No more 40 yrs old. Once u r in Mindef Reserved, no need to take IPPT. I turn MR at the age of 34.
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Hi, interesting topic. i am a regular serviceman in the army. same as TS, i got into the army during my times in the poly. Im doing good in the army, but life sucks in the army...dealing with stubborn officers and ridiculous enciks. I wish to leave the force but due to my commitment, married, car, house, family... how to leave??? now i getting a degree and gona leave the army next yr. so pls get a degree when u find life is suck in the army, dun force urself to do work that u dun like for the rest of ur life. Remember u only haf one life,live to the fullest and dun regret it.
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so much for the "be all you can be" advertsOriginally posted by citymax:Hi, interesting topic. i am a regular serviceman in the army. same as TS, i got into the army during my times in the poly. Im doing good in the army, but life sucks in the army...dealing with stubborn officers and ridiculous enciks. I wish to leave the force but due to my commitment, married, car, house, family... how to leave??? now i getting a degree and gona leave the army next yr. so pls get a degree when u find life is suck in the army, dun force urself to do work that u dun like for the rest of ur life. Remember u only haf one life,live to the fullest and dun regret it. -
just bear in mind that any work related in the military is considered no experiences in the working world.
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this is just the tip of the ice berg..Originally posted by crimson soldier:wow. very interesting posts by all these ex-regulars. please contribute more
there are a lot of negative sides to working for them..
outsiders will never ever know the dark sides unless there's somebody from inside who's willing to share...
luckily for me, i choose, made up my decision, to down-grade to the Lowest Pes possible and get the 2 years done with and proceed with my life.
Still in the process, but thanks to my NCC experience in the passed, i got a glimpse of the actual life (not that tough version) back when NCC still can be tekan by the seniors and use lots of colorful languages..
actually there's a lot of mis-leading factors which helps portray a good impression on the majority via Advertisements thus complains will only surface after every transaction.
it's like after serving the bond, and at the right time, than will people share.
but often, not a lot of people will learn from other people's mistakes.
Many people choose to go through the process on their own, banging their heads bloody etc..
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i beg to differ.Originally posted by caleb_chiang:just bear in mind that any work related in the military is considered no experiences in the working world.
if you look at the past, only the top fliers of the SAF (3 Star Generals) will be recognized by big major corporations and stand to enjoy big fat pay-salaries.
Thus there are still chances, but those chance of getting into a big MNC company via SAF belongs only to those high rank personnels inside. -
You mean the GLCs don't you? Those are not representative of 'big major corporations'.Originally posted by the_fallen:i beg to differ.
if you look at the past, only the top fliers of the SAF (3 Star Generals) will be recognized by big major corporations and stand to enjoy big fat pay-salaries. -
Do u mean Government Link Companies?Originally posted by lwflee:You mean the GLCs don't you? Those are not representative of 'big major corporations'. -
Ps. pardon my ignorance all the laojiaos here...but care to share your take on the 3yr scheme for officers? They told me its 2yr NSF (to be considered as regular) + 1yr (also a regular), end up I counted that 3 years can get about 80-90K incl. of bounty, bonuses and salary.
My intention of signing on the dotted line is that I wish to pursue higher education as my family is just middle-income, with dad getting CPF next Jul and mum getting her's in 2years. What do you guys think? Is it advisable? Because I do not want to rely on my parents for $$ during further education, i figured that since I'm enlisting next year, if I were to take the 2+1 scheme I would be like 24 when I end contract and be 25/26 when I end my further studies.
Please advise. Feel free to PM me.
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totally agreed with all the ex reg...should really advise those ppl who want to sign on now
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ex reg can share what jobs are you working as currently
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ask carefully ... of course an education is good for youOriginally posted by SpecOps87:Ps. pardon my ignorance all the laojiaos here...but care to share your take on the 3yr scheme for officers? They told me its 2yr NSF (to be considered as regular) + 1yr (also a regular), end up I counted that 3 years can get about 80-90K incl. of bounty, bonuses and salary.
My intention of signing on the dotted line is that I wish to pursue higher education as my family is just middle-income, with dad getting CPF next Jul and mum getting her's in 2years. What do you guys think? Is it advisable? Because I do not want to rely on my parents for $$ during further education, i figured that since I'm enlisting next year, if I were to take the 2+1 scheme I would be like 24 when I end contract and be 25/26 when I end my further studies.
Please advise. Feel free to PM me.
Thanks,
SpecOps87
but at the same time ur guard is a against sudden expense surge when ur dad no more jobs ...like sickness and all this
u will spend abt 10-20% on transport to Army camp .. so think carefully . -
My dad is fit as a fiddle...but of course, can't take things for granted. Not that I'm a financial adviser/planner, but I told him to use his a percentage of his CPF to go invest under the advisement of my uncle the stock market guru...and continue working for at least 3yrs till my contract ends. That way, at least that way we will have a larger safety blanket.Originally posted by bohiruci:ask carefully ... of course an education is good for you
but at the same time ur guard is a against sudden expense surge when ur dad no more jobs ...like sickness and all this
u will spend abt 10-20% on transport to Army camp .. so think carefully .
For my pay, I intend to use it to also invest under my uncle and partly as allowance to my parents etc. But I'm not sure if its worth it, because it really really genuinely seems very tempting.
I've also told myself that I will not buy a car till I'm like 28 at least. Its scary to see my sec.school friend whom signed as a air force ACS blow money away on a brand new Subaru with a sub-2000 pay and end up still taking money from his parents. -
these are just some real facts in sg....so pls wake up and stop being that 66.6%
1) what TS said about the starting pay... very true... just look around.. this 10 yrs... how much the starting pay for poly grad have went up?? even uni grad.. how much?? while all our expenses went up lor... only our PM and big CEO got all the pay rise lah
2) which factory wan to employ singapore with no experience due to NS or sign on while they can easily get someone cheaper and more experience from m'sia or other countries?? this "FT" dun have to go for yearly reservist and IPPT and RT u know? good right?
3) it's so fcuking easy to get PR in sg lor... and once u are PR u are not a foreign worker and u are out of the so called quota that are set prevent company to employ to much foreigners...i know of so many m'sia and PRC that just get PR just to earn money and then fcuk off back to their country to be kings lor..
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ey SpecOps87Originally posted by SpecOps87:My dad is fit as a fiddle...but of course, can't take things for granted. Not that I'm a financial adviser/planner, but I told him to use his a percentage of his CPF to go invest under the advisement of my uncle the stock market guru...and continue working for at least 3yrs till my contract ends. That way, at least that way we will have a larger safety blanket.
For my pay, I intend to use it to also invest under my uncle and partly as allowance to my parents etc. But I'm not sure if its worth it, because it really really genuinely seems very tempting.
I've also told myself that I will not buy a car till I'm like 28 at least. Its scary to see my sec.school friend whom signed as a air force ACS blow money away on a brand new Subaru with a sub-2000 pay and end up still taking money from his parents.
i was a regular before , though i opposed to signing on for ppl out there ,but u must weigh your priorities ..resolved short term problem could bring
long term problem in future
when u ORD , u are gonna be like me ... rejected by lotsa interviewer and they are acidic , well it just prove they are rite ,
we are lack of experience ,only military powerplay experience
ya ... then thats where you should try to ask a financial planning from a trustworthy fren you know .
Everything can be worked out, including $
I hope you wont sign just for the sake of signing
becos your prime is taken by army ,and you have no way to compete with others unless you go in financial sector line
u can pm me if u want to speak abt financial planning , no string attached and I am NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISOR -
Hmm...I'm actually from a marketing background, but why do you state that no other options lest financial sector?Originally posted by bohiruci:ey SpecOps87
i was a regular before , though i opposed to signing on for ppl out there ,but u must weigh your priorities ..resolved short term problem could bring
long term problem in future
when u ORD , u are gonna be like me ... rejected by lotsa interviewer and they are acidic , well it just prove they are rite ,
we are lack of experience ,only military powerplay experience
ya ... then thats where you should try to ask a financial planning from a trustworthy fren you know .
Everything can be worked out, including $
I hope you wont sign just for the sake of signing
becos your prime is taken by army ,and you have no way to compete with others unless you go in financial sector line
u can pm me if u want to speak abt financial planning , no string attached and I am NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISOR
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i think you can only do sales, insurance that type. the "soft" jobs.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Hmm...I'm actually from a marketing background, but why do you state that no other options lest financial sector?
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Disagree and agree.Originally posted by bohiruci:ey SpecOps87
i was a regular before , though i opposed to signing on for ppl out there ,but u must weigh your priorities ..resolved short term problem could bring
long term problem in future
when u ORD , u are gonna be like me ... rejected by lotsa interviewer and they are acidic , well it just prove they are rite ,
we are lack of experience ,only military powerplay experience
ya ... then thats where you should try to ask a financial planning from a trustworthy fren you know .
Everything can be worked out, including $
I hope you wont sign just for the sake of signing
becos your prime is taken by army ,and you have no way to compete with others unless you go in financial sector line
u can pm me if u want to speak abt financial planning , no string attached and I am NOT A FINANCIAL ADVISOR
Disagree.. If you are sponsored by mindef to any uni to get a degree.
Come back with honour class IIa and above.
Get couple of 'godfathers' and great friends within the same formation or outside.
Work hard and be outstanding in exercise, especially in high key ones.
Seek for further acadamic/military enhancement courses in overseas institutes (look for things that are new to SAF e.g. air assault, amphi, CI4 integrations, etc, etc).
On the ball and perform when organisating high key events, such as NDP...
Continue 2 and third contract.. till retirement... at 45 the gov will themself organise placement for you.
I have couple of friends that are really performing very well in the SAF and RSAF.
Agree...
Sign on without good paper qualification.
Not really know key personal in the formation
Bad luck to be in a non-performing platoon, company bn, etc, etc.. or follow a low key commander. that will affect your placement in the formation ranking table
finally end of first contract, come out to the society. You will definally be behind your peers that are out much eariler.
I also have couple that are not happy with their life in the army.
I was offered a chance, but after really thinking about the freedom i can have in the outside world. I perferred not to. However if i sign on, i will be in a much better financial position today....