
X2Originally posted by mochou:Imagine somehow many ppl can smuggle drugs into Singapore, teens and many singaporean addicted to drugs, you may blame the country where the drugs are from. But you will also wonder what the hell the custom officer are doing, right??
As i said, responsible importers will evalutate the factories before placing orders, put in house QC in factory side, will control their means of sourcing for materials by appointing fixed supplier and other ways to control the production process to protect their consumer.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Why they know they are using illegal products to manufacture yet they keep quiet? This is breach of trust. How should foreign inspectors/governments be the one certifying their products in the first place? You might as well reject all the goods 'cos you have no guarantee over its manufacturing process or how it came by.
There might be different standards, but has anyone ever approved a cancer-causing product for consumer use? Is this the kind of standard, producing things that will kill people, that China follows?
not really, but both the irresponsible manufacturer and the irresponsible importer must be blamed.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Doesn't that sound like shifting the blame?![]()
It sounds exactly as this is a damage-control exercise to shift some blame away and bury things under the carpet.Originally posted by mochou:not really, but both the irresponsible manufacturer and the irresponsible importer must be blamed.
They shouldn't put all blame to manufacturer side, and let the irresponsible importer get away with their fault.
edit: should change "shifting" to "sharing". ya, they should share the blame together as both are at fault.
As i already said, it's not "shift". And i never said i want to bury the fault of manufacturer under the carpet. I dont know why i got this idea i am defending on manufacturer side. I said many time they have their fault, they have the biggest fault, but not 100%. Same as TS, i think it's not fair when the other parties involved can get away with their fault.Originally posted by ^tamago^:It sounds exactly as this is a damage-control exercise to shift some blame away and bury things under the carpet.
Irresponsible importer? What's next? Gullible consumers who don't check before they eat or wear?![]()
Originally posted by ^tamago^:When you buy a Toyota car or a Sony walkman, you are buying a Toyota/Sony product that should meet Toyota/Sony quality, even if they are made in China, understand?
Why they know they are using illegal products to manufacture yet they keep quiet? This is breach of trust. How should foreign inspectors/governments be the one certifying their products in the first place? You might as well reject all the goods 'cos you have no guarantee over its manufacturing process or how it came by.
This is rich, you are saying that Government standards are lower precedence to company standards? This is akin to saying that companies are above the law. You do realise that this is a ludicrous idea to make? Companies are BOUND by the LAW. Company standards DO NOT MATTER if they do not meet a country's standards.Originally posted by YaoRockets:When you buy a Toyota car or a Sony walkman, you are buying a Toyota/Sony product that should meet Toyota/Sony quality, even if they are made in China, understand?
Most Chinese manufacturers are merely OEMs for west corporations, the corporations who own the products are ultimately responsible for the product
's quality, and they should have their own QA process to root out defected products and unqualified manufacturers.
Even if China is to get her own standards and certify the products for Sony etc, Sony would NOT accept it, because they still have to make sure the product meets company standard.
If a company owns the brand name, then it's not a mere importer.
that's just common sense.
They should have higher standards than public standards.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:This is rich, you are saying that Government standards are lower precedence to company standards? This is akin to saying that companies are above the law. You do realise that this is a ludicrous idea to make? Companies are BOUND by the LAW. Company standards DO NOT MATTER if they do not meet a country's standards.
You do realise that many of the products themselves ended up for sale in the home country? Perhaps you would like to recall the incident in China where hundreds of infants died because of defective milk? The Chinese authorities themselves admit that they have very poor oversight over their factories which was why they did set up an agency to monitor the quality of food products. The end result was that the head of the agency recently got charged for corruption and given a summary execution or committed suicide. I forgot which happened.Originally posted by mochou:As i already said, it's not "shift". And i never said i want to bury the fault of manufacturer under the carpet. I dont know why i got this idea i am defending on manufacturer side. I said many time they have their fault, they have the biggest fault, but not 100%. Same as TS, i think it's not fair when the other parties involved can get away with their fault.
What TS said is that the buyers/importer/organization responsible for checking safety issue, their fault are "buried under the carpet". Which is not fair. They have their fault too but media do not mention about them. They mention only the manufacturer, putting 100% fault to Chinese.
Yes, i stand my ground that they are irresponsible.
Remember Slim10 Case anyone?? Was the China manufacturer the only one blamed?? importer and SG distributor was blamed too. And they should be blamed becuase the whole supply chain from manufacturer to retailer, everyone are responsible for the product.
Being the importer of certain product, or you hold a brand of certain product, you should do your part in controling & assuring the quality & safety factor of the products too. If you don't do your part, you are irresponisble.
Imagine if Sony(just example, i dont hate Sony) don't do their part in controling safety issues for their home electronics, and someone got shocked to death. Who to blame? you blame the Malaysian factory who make the product? Or you blame Sony for not controlling the safety factors of their products? I believe both must be blamed, Not putting ALL blame to the Malaysian factory.
Whereas that is true for the most part, many countries like the EU and even here set base standard for safety for say electronic devices which are imposed on all electrical goods. Some of these standards are fairly high. Hence companies have to modify products by region to meet these standards.Originally posted by LazerLordz:They should have higher standards than public standards.
government product standard is the MINIMUM, by default all products need to meet it in order to be put on open market in THAT country, otherwise it's illegal. So company standard is stricter or higher than the government standard, which is, again, the minimum.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:This is rich, you are saying that Government standards are lower precedence to company standards? This is akin to saying that companies are above the law. You do realise that this is a ludicrous idea to make? Companies are BOUND by the LAW. Company standards DO NOT MATTER if they do not meet a country's standards.