China Bashing
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Set at the minimum? I beg to differ. The fact that goods are rejected by Govt bodies such as the HSA suggest that company standards are lower than the said Govt standards. Company's reputation? Perhaps if the companies in question have monopoly power, they could squeeze consumers at will. Companies are NOT SAINTS. The title "robber barons" existed at a time when capitalism in the United States went unchecked and unregulated. The basis for regulation of companies and the enforcement of consumer rights arose from that era. China's situation is hardly unique. The US faced similar problems decades ago and resolved to solve them.Originally posted by YaoRockets:government product standard is the MINIMUM, by default all products need to meet it in order to be put on open market in THAT country, otherwise it's illegal. So company standard is stricter or higher than the government standard, which is, again, the minimum.
Major corporations like Mattel and Sony etc, have their own product standard, and reputation, which is expected to be way ABOVE what the government standard mandated .... get it?
Now, here's another piece of news to you:
Chinese government only certifies products that are to be sold inside China, and by most accounts, western corporations only produce their products in china only to be sold back in their home countries. That's how they get tax break from Chinese government.
No, China government doesn't certify their products if they aren't to be sold inside China, get it???
Companies with world famous brand names have their own reputation to maintain, they have to own QA process, and they would not and should not depend on Chinese government agency or any other government agency for their own quality control process.
Companies hires and fires manufactures all the times, depending on the quality and cost the manufactures can provide. Of course, the OEM manufactures share some blame for defected or dangerous product, but only the clueless would think OEMs should share the major portion of the blame.
when you buy a Toyota, you expect Toyota quality, regardless where it's produced. do you understand?
Whereas the Chinese Govt is not obligated to regulate products sold to customers outside China, the fact that internal regulation is bad itself suggests that the Chinese Govt bodies are either corrupt or do not enforce standards. If Chinese standards are lax, then what can be said of the companies involved? Companies are of course obligated to check on their own products for the sake of their reputation, but that does not absolve the Chinese Govt of blame. What? You think lead paint isn't poisonous to the workers as well? Heck, there are even worker safety protection issues at stake here. -
Ya, i am in China myself, when i buy things, i prefer imported(if i can afford), then next is "manufactured in China but the brand is a foreign brand", then next is "manufactured in China of a well-known china brand". I will try my best to avoid those "manufacutured in china unknown brand" items.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:You do realise that many of the products themselves ended up for sale in the home country? Perhaps you would like to recall the incident in China where hundreds of infants died because of defective milk? The Chinese authorities themselves admit that they have very poor oversight over their factories which was why they did set up an agency to monitor the quality of food products. The end result was that the head of the agency recently got charged for corruption and given a summary execution or committed suicide. I forgot which happened.
"defected milk"? i am not sure if you are referring to the case when those fake milk powder make the babies become "big head baby"(that's what they call it in China).
There are many many other case, China seriously lack of control over these things. Those harmful items that manage to flow out to overseas market, are those "lucky" enough to bypass many checkpoints, or at some checkpoints the ppl don't check these products at all. Within China, you dont have many checkpoints to pass before putting your product in supermarkets. That's why so many things are fake, and harmful.
Fake food is horrible enough, and there are cases they make fake medical items. Like medicine, and even those used for drips...... imagine fake stuff being injected into your body......... -
tis problem can only be solve by the china gov... enforce moral education in skools, more stringent checks, n incentives for companies that adhere to the standards. moral education of e youth is the key, the other two r just stopgap measures.
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government product standard is the minimum which all company products must meet before they can be sold. otherwise it's illegal.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Set at the minimum? I beg to differ. The fact that goods are rejected by Govt bodies such as the HSA suggest that company standards are lower than the said Govt standards. Company's reputation? Perhaps if the companies in question have monopoly power, they could squeeze consumers at will. Companies are NOT SAINTS. The title "robber barons" existed at a time when capitalism in the United States went unchecked and unregulated. The basis for regulation of companies and the enforcement of consumer rights arose from that era. China's situation is hardly unique. The US faced similar problems decades ago and resolved to solve them.
Whereas the Chinese Govt is not obligated to regulate products sold to customers outside China, the fact that internal regulation is bad itself suggests that the Chinese Govt bodies are either corrupt or do not enforce standards. If Chinese standards are lax, then what can be said of the companies involved? Companies are of course obligated to check on their own products for the sake of their reputation, but that does not absolve the Chinese Govt of blame. What? You think lead paint isn't poisonous to the workers as well? Heck, there are even worker safety protection issues at stake here.
now read it and understand it, that's plain english. -
No wonder the standard is so lax. Does being a major player in the global consumer market means they can afford to be arrogant and ignorant?Originally posted by YaoRockets:Chinese government only certifies products that are to be sold inside China. -
I believe you have to look at different countries managed OEM differently.Originally posted by YaoRockets:Companies hires and fires manufactures all the times, depending on the quality and cost the manufactures can provide. Of course, the OEM manufactures share some blame for defected or dangerous product, but only the clueless would think OEMs should share the major portion of the blame.
when you buy a Toyota, you expect Toyota quality, regardless where it's produced. do you understand?
Most Japanese companies will tied down the Original Equipment Manufacture tiedly. Having QC/QA onboard to check for quanlity. However, most buyer does not dictate source of MATERIAL as source of supply dictate profitabilities of OEM.
For Generic product company no longer required OEM as there are plenty of factories that manufacture and get orders, there are trade exhibition that allow buyers with better option and price competitive so they would not be tieing down to appointed OEM. Even if buyer certified OEM it is at the level of administrative such as certified in the manner of legality no child abuse license to export and operate. Manufacture of Sample are great show case but when it comes to mass production all factories will maximizes profitabilities by reducing cost.
The complexity of changing ownership of OEM operating in PRC may played a part in the result of buyer unable to control the quality of goods. As such alot of Testing and inspecting are done at the point of import into the United States.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matters regards to export country regulation. It is at the hand of importing country requirement and companies .
In the case of goods to import it is the origin country that need to find out buying countries import requirement.
If PRC feel that if it is not in their interest to work with importing countries than it is a matter of ego rather than taking their own industry to a higher level of quality.
but i think PRC will over time take it seriously and managed its level of control especially those product that affect the livelyhood of consumer. -
Fake Tamiflu Tablet is on the market.Originally posted by mochou:There are many many other case, China seriously lack of control over these things. Those harmful items that manage to flow out to overseas market, are those "lucky" enough to bypass many checkpoints, or at some checkpoints the ppl don't check these products at all. Within China, you dont have many checkpoints to pass before putting your product in supermarkets. That's why so many things are fake, and harmful.
Fake food is horrible enough, and there are cases they make fake medical items. Like medicine, and even those used for drips...... imagine fake stuff being injected into your body......... -
When the world is improving and demand for almost everything is soring rapidly, China being one of the largest exporter, tries to follow and up its economy by increasing its production.
Though China is is unaware of its backwardness, they still insist on increasing the production level. When this happens, the hike in production will lead to compromising in the qualities of goods and sub-standard products, unhygenic and improper goods are manufactured. This is the opportunity cost for China when they are seriously lacking adequate tuning in its F&B and other sectors and compromises are made due to their overly-greedy desire to gain more revenue and develop the country.
On top of this, i am most disgusted by the authorities in China for they ever-lasting thick-skinned face, always covering up statistics and data and put on a false front tt everything in China is under their control. Recently, dont-know-some-big-official declared proudly in the media affirming to all the countries tt 99% of their exported goods are safe. wth how true?
However, dont you all realise tt westerners are trying 100 and 1 ways to expose China? Sometimes, their articles on China are just so aggressive and trying to create some sort of "demoting" of China. Yes, it is China's fault for their sub-standard goods but most of the time the West always over exaggerate. IMHO probably the West are afraid of losing to China one day.
Well, China pple ought to change and adopt a new mentality. Or else, the gvt shld at least do smthing or create firmer legistration for F&B. China once being a strong nation with rich history and culture is now being lowered into a nation with unglamerous discoveries, full of pirated & dangerous goods and so on.
Olympics 2008 is around the corner, we'll see even more sub-standard goods in China as they increase and multiply their production even more while trying to compete with one another to win the millions of visting tourists.
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In a follow-up to a recent dispute over Chinese-made pajamas, authorities in New Zealand are saying that the items meet product safety standards for children's nightwear, and have closed investigations into the case.
New Zealand's antitrust regulator has confirmed that the "Red Stamp" brand of pajamas sold at Warehouse Group stores complies with relevant standards. Chinese-made imports have faced scrutiny in the country over the past month, with children's clothing and a range of throw blankets suspected of containing the chemical formaldehyde.
But the New Zealand Commerce Commission is now saying that garments have cleared tests compulsory for clothing bearing the "low fire danger" label.
A spokesman at the Chinese Ministry of Commerce spoke at a press briefing on Thursday, saying that China welcomes these latest findings from New Zealand. -
LOS ANGELES : The US maker of Barbie dolls Mattel announced on Tuesday yet another massive recall of toys made in China, targeting some 844,000 items with high levels of lead, the company said in a statement.
"As a result of the company's ongoing investigation of its toys manufactured by vendors in China, the company has voluntarily recalled 11 (types of) toys globally," the statement from company headquarters in El Segundo, California said.
It is the third such recall of Chinese toys this summer.
Prior recalls affecting millions of toys prompted an internal investigation of Mattel toys made by Chinese vendors, which resulted in Tuesday's recall of 522,000 items within the United States and 322,000 more worldwide, the statement said.
Mattel blamed Chinese manufacturers for using "uncertified paints" with excessive amounts of lead, especially in yellow, brown and orange paints applied to the toys.
"Consequently, several subcontractors are no longer manufacturing Mattel toys," said Mattel's chief officer Robert Eckert in the statement.
Several of the affected items are Barbie accessories, but not the dolls themselves, Mattel said.
The company also recalled three toys in its Fisher-Price range, again made by Chinese manufacturers, and will refund the purchase price to consumers.
On Monday, China's chief safety watchdog blamed Mattel's designs for its prior recalls of toys made in China.
Li Changjiang said Chinese factories were in the clear over the alleged discovery of formaldehyde in clothing sold in New Zealand, as he sought to reassure the world over the "Made in China" label.
Li said only 15 percent of the recalled toys were deemed unsafe due to Chinese manufacturers using paints with high levels of lead.
The European Commission said last week that it would take "regulatory" action against toys deemed unsafe after Mattel last month recalled 18 million Chinese-made products worldwide over high lead levels and small magnets that have seriously injured at least three children. - AFP/ch -
I wonder what else can China fake....?
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Apparel isn;t about safety, the problem with apparel product areOriginally posted by WHATODO:In a follow-up to a recent dispute over Chinese-made pajamas, authorities in New Zealand are saying that the items meet product safety standards for children's nightwear, and have closed investigations into the case.
New Zealand's antitrust regulator has confirmed that the "Red Stamp" brand of pajamas sold at Warehouse Group stores complies with relevant standards. Chinese-made imports have faced scrutiny in the country over the past month, with children's clothing and a range of throw blankets suspected of containing the chemical formaldehyde.
But the New Zealand Commerce Commission is now saying that garments have cleared tests compulsory for clothing bearing the "low fire danger" label.
A spokesman at the Chinese Ministry of Commerce spoke at a press briefing on Thursday, saying that China welcomes these latest findings from New Zealand.
#1 Fake brand name stitch onto clothing.
# 2 clothing that are made from PRC label are printed made in Cambodia, Blangadesh to escape import quota.
#3 clothing that are made in china transit thru cambodia,SG, and other asia country to pass as other nation export qty.
#4 mixed Yarn and does not match the label content of cotton vs fiber. -
China steps up scrutiny of US food, delaying shipments
BEIJING - CHINA has sharply increased inspections of imported US food, escalating its spat with Washington over product safety and leaving American beef piling up in warehouses and delaying shipments of black pepper and other goods.
Authorities who used to inspect as little as 5 per cent of imported goods now check every shipment of American poultry, snack foods and other products, companies and trade groups say.
'I suspect they are doing this to keep the pressure on the United States to relent on some of these (food safety disputes), because the US is taking a very tough stand on Chinese products,' said James Rice, the China country manager for Tyson Foods, the world's largest meat processor.
Chinese authorities banned chicken imports from two Tyson plants in June after salmonella was found in shipments from them, Mr Rice said. But he said the company, which sells about US$200 million (S$306 million) worth of chicken to China every year, still was allowed to import from its 167 other facilities.
The stepped-up inspections are the latest in a tit-for-tat between Washington and Beijing after a series of large-scale product recalls - from bad pet food to dangerous toothpaste and toys - raised scrutiny of Chinese-made products in the US.
Rejected pork
On Saturday, Beijing said it rejected 18.4 tons of American pork because it contained ractopamine, a drug that is used by US hog farmers to produce leaner meat but is banned in China.
The United States restricted imports from China of five types of seafood in July after tests found unapproved drugs - a move that Beijing criticised as improper and excessive.
The tougher Chinese inspection regime is forcing importers and retailers to adjust shipping and delivery schedules, though so far they say the delays have not harmed their bottom lines.
But the moves add to tensions in a relationship that is strained by China's multibillion-dollar trade surplus with the United States.
Chinese officials have suggested the US government might be using safety concerns as an excuse to block imports from China.
Major market for soybeans and chicken
China is a major market for US soybeans and chicken, and sales of citrus, beef and processed food also are growing.
It is unclear how much US food has been rejected in China's latest campaign or whether the rate has increased. China's product safety agency, the Administration for Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine, did not respond to a request for comment.
The agency, known as AQSIQ, said in June it would step up inspections of US food for chemical or biological contamination.
It cited the discovery of excessive bacteria and sulfur dioxide in raisins, dried oranges and health care products from several American companies.
Mr Rice said all of Tyson's shipments are now inspected. Employees of the US egg and poultry trade group and a Chinese importers' group gave similar accounts, as did employees of two Chinese food companies.
Hong Kong
In Hong Kong, shipments of US beef bound for China's mainland are piling up in refrigerated warehouses while they await inspection, said John Nam, program director in Hong Kong for the US Meat Export Federation, a trade group. Mr Nam said he had no information on the extent of the increased inspections.
'Over the past two months, we saw that plenty of shipments to China have stayed quite a while in Hong Kong warehouses, which means turnaround time has been lengthened,' he said. -- AP
they never learnt their lessons.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Looks to me, China's authorities and their government are sticking their own feet into their own mouths....
[b]China steps up scrutiny of US food, delaying shipments
BEIJING - CHINA has sharply increased inspections of imported US food, escalating its spat with Washington over product safety and leaving American beef piling up in warehouses and delaying shipments of black pepper and other goods.
Authorities who used to inspect as little as 5 per cent of imported goods now check every shipment of American poultry, snack foods and other products, companies and trade groups say.
'I suspect they are doing this to keep the pressure on the United States to relent on some of these (food safety disputes), because the US is taking a very tough stand on Chinese products,' said James Rice, the China country manager for Tyson Foods, the world's largest meat processor.
Chinese authorities banned chicken imports from two Tyson plants in June after salmonella was found in shipments from them, Mr Rice said. But he said the company, which sells about US$200 million (S$306 million) worth of chicken to China every year, still was allowed to import from its 167 other facilities.
The stepped-up inspections are the latest in a tit-for-tat between Washington and Beijing after a series of large-scale product recalls - from bad pet food to dangerous toothpaste and toys - raised scrutiny of Chinese-made products in the US.
Rejected pork
On Saturday, Beijing said it rejected 18.4 tons of American pork because it contained ractopamine, a drug that is used by US hog farmers to produce leaner meat but is banned in China.
The United States restricted imports from China of five types of seafood in July after tests found unapproved drugs - a move that Beijing criticised as improper and excessive.
The tougher Chinese inspection regime is forcing importers and retailers to adjust shipping and delivery schedules, though so far they say the delays have not harmed their bottom lines.
But the moves add to tensions in a relationship that is strained by China's multibillion-dollar trade surplus with the United States.
Chinese officials have suggested the US government might be using safety concerns as an excuse to block imports from China.
Major market for soybeans and chicken
China is a major market for US soybeans and chicken, and sales of citrus, beef and processed food also are growing.
It is unclear how much US food has been rejected in China's latest campaign or whether the rate has increased. China's product safety agency, the Administration for Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine, did not respond to a request for comment.
The agency, known as AQSIQ, said in June it would step up inspections of US food for chemical or biological contamination.
It cited the discovery of excessive bacteria and sulfur dioxide in raisins, dried oranges and health care products from several American companies.
Mr Rice said all of Tyson's shipments are now inspected. Employees of the US egg and poultry trade group and a Chinese importers' group gave similar accounts, as did employees of two Chinese food companies.
Hong Kong
In Hong Kong, shipments of US beef bound for China's mainland are piling up in refrigerated warehouses while they await inspection, said John Nam, program director in Hong Kong for the US Meat Export Federation, a trade group. Mr Nam said he had no information on the extent of the increased inspections.
'Over the past two months, we saw that plenty of shipments to China have stayed quite a while in Hong Kong warehouses, which means turnaround time has been lengthened,' he said. -- AP
they never learnt their lessons. [/b] -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
they did similar action onto Indonesia export. PRC Gov are noted to return favor....in any case when chinese new years come than you see they would import all the food stuff. The problems i see is that for a country so huge it import more raw material than it could produce.
[b]China steps up scrutiny of US food, delaying shipments
BEIJING - CHINA has sharply increased inspections of imported US food, escalating its spat with Washington over product safety and leaving American beef piling up in warehouses and delaying shipments of black pepper and other goods.
Authorities who used to inspect as little as 5 per cent of imported goods now check every shipment of American poultry, snack foods and other products, companies and trade groups say.
'I suspect they are doing this to keep the pressure on the United States to relent on some of these (food safety disputes), because the US is taking a very tough stand on Chinese products,' said James Rice, the China country manager for Tyson Foods, the world's largest meat processor.
Chinese authorities banned chicken imports from two Tyson plants in June after salmonella was found in shipments from them, Mr Rice said. But he said the company, which sells about US$200 million (S$306 million) worth of chicken to China every year, still was allowed to import from its 167 other facilities.
The stepped-up inspections are the latest in a tit-for-tat between Washington and Beijing after a series of large-scale product recalls - from bad pet food to dangerous toothpaste and toys - raised scrutiny of Chinese-made products in the US.
Rejected pork
On Saturday, Beijing said it rejected 18.4 tons of American pork because it contained ractopamine, a drug that is used by US hog farmers to produce leaner meat but is banned in China.
The United States restricted imports from China of five types of seafood in July after tests found unapproved drugs - a move that Beijing criticised as improper and excessive.
The tougher Chinese inspection regime is forcing importers and retailers to adjust shipping and delivery schedules, though so far they say the delays have not harmed their bottom lines.
But the moves add to tensions in a relationship that is strained by China's multibillion-dollar trade surplus with the United States.
Chinese officials have suggested the US government might be using safety concerns as an excuse to block imports from China.
Major market for soybeans and chicken
China is a major market for US soybeans and chicken, and sales of citrus, beef and processed food also are growing.
It is unclear how much US food has been rejected in China's latest campaign or whether the rate has increased. China's product safety agency, the Administration for Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine, did not respond to a request for comment.
The agency, known as AQSIQ, said in June it would step up inspections of US food for chemical or biological contamination.
It cited the discovery of excessive bacteria and sulfur dioxide in raisins, dried oranges and health care products from several American companies.
Mr Rice said all of Tyson's shipments are now inspected. Employees of the US egg and poultry trade group and a Chinese importers' group gave similar accounts, as did employees of two Chinese food companies.
Hong Kong
In Hong Kong, shipments of US beef bound for China's mainland are piling up in refrigerated warehouses while they await inspection, said John Nam, program director in Hong Kong for the US Meat Export Federation, a trade group. Mr Nam said he had no information on the extent of the increased inspections.
'Over the past two months, we saw that plenty of shipments to China have stayed quite a while in Hong Kong warehouses, which means turnaround time has been lengthened,' he said. -- AP
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So I guess if China does something wrong, she will be heavily criticised and taken advantage upon?
Take the recent news for example. Mattell admitted that it was their fault for designing crap toys (so many). But were they heavily criticised and where are the media mentioning that their designers are not qualified, no quality checks etc? But if Mattell were a China owned company, it will be another China Bashing media and criticism.
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just when i thought they would seriously do something, this came out on the ST front page today (from AFP)
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I feel very sad and disgusted that our Singapore propaganda mainstream media is pro-USA.
Spreading all sorts of pro-USA propaganda drivel.
You cannot find any criticism of USA in our Singapore propaganda mainstream media.
What is your opinion on this situation Gazelle?
Blair 'knew Iraq had no WMD'
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18676.htm -
CHINA IS LIKE A TARGET @ RIFLE RANGE AND U HAVE A M16 WITH UNLIMITED AMMO
SO WTF WILL U DO?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Personally, I find nothing wrong with it, save for the mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
I feel very sad and disgusted that our Singapore propaganda mainstream media is pro-USA.
Spreading all sorts of pro-USA propaganda drivel.
You cannot find any criticism of USA in our Singapore propaganda mainstream media.
What is your opinion on this situation Gazelle?
[b]Blair 'knew Iraq had no WMD'
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18676.htm[/b]
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Simple english lah.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Personally, I find nothing wrong with it, save for the mistakes made by the Bush Administration.
We have always been closer to America in our strategic thought, not to mention BoP politics.
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Originally posted by charlize:Simple english lah.
How many people know BoP is balance of power?
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We have always been closer to America in our strategic thought, not to mention BoP politics.
Singapore pro-USA for balance of power purposes, that is one story.
But spread pro-USA propaganda and distort facts, I don't think that is correct.
A lot of people blindly follow the opinions in the Singapore mainstream media and develop false and distorted views about USA and its policies.
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Ah yes, glad you can see the difference.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Singapore pro-USA for balance of power purposes, that is one story.
But spread pro-USA propaganda and distort facts, I don't think that is correct.
A lot of people blindly follow the opinions in the Singapore mainstream media and develop false and distorted views about USA and its policies.
I don't like that.
Still, we shouldn't claim that all American opinions are false.
Although I would love it if CNA stop showing FOX News everytime there's an American election, be it Congressional, Senate or Presidential. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Lets put it this way.....if you have kids playing that toy u r glad that this info is made public. Do u think SG will report n made it public? what would china react since sg is such a small island?
I feel very sad and disgusted that our Singapore propaganda mainstream media is pro-USA.
Spreading all sorts of pro-USA propaganda drivel.
You cannot find any criticism of USA in our Singapore propaganda mainstream media.
What is your opinion on this situation Gazelle?
[b]Blair 'knew Iraq had no WMD'
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18676.htm[/b]
there are plenty of negative news about USA just go to internet....plenty u don;t need SG news to report.
Why feel sorry for people who put profit before safety.