just issue less coes.Originally posted by Gazelle:I dont deny they are revenue for the government, but to simply reduce the no. of cars on the road, this will lead to a sky high car price as people will be trading used car to make profit.
And who's car should we remove from the road?
I suspect Gazelle needs to report back to its herd to get some expert advice before he can reply you.Originally posted by dragg:just issue less coes.
in the first place they shouldnt have come up with the coe thing.
If LTA issue less COEs, cost of cars will shoot up and people will complain that the cost of living is super duper high and that singaporeans are first world people but cannot even afford to buy cars because the rich people will push the COE beyond reach for normal singaporeans.Originally posted by dragg:just issue less coes.
in the first place they shouldnt have come up with the coe thing.
Are we so spoilt that we must each have a car? Isn't the government pushing for us to take public transport? Why not spend that money on improving the public transportation system so much so no one will complain about not having a car.Originally posted by Gazelle:If LTA issue less COEs, cost of cars will shoot up and people will complain that the cost of living is super duper high and that singaporeans are first world people but cannot even afford to buy cars because the rich people will push the COE beyond reach for normal singaporeans.
If life is much simplier.
Increasing ridership will bring economy of scales for the transport opertors, not increase cost.Originally posted by maven2:This certainly is the ideal. The slight side-effect would definitely be the increase in costs for public transport as the public transport companies scramble to increase their fleet
CAR is probably one of the most important big ticket items for the man, and people could actually sacrifice their lifestyle just to support a car.Originally posted by maven2:Are we so spoilt that we must each have a car? Isn't the government pushing for us to take public transport? Why not spend that money on improving the public transportation system so much so no one will complain about not having a car.
So what is the signal? To take public transport? Or to buy more cars?
I think there's mixed signals here. And I think even you are confused.
Increasing ridership increases the number in the fleet? Where do you think the costs will have to come from? There is no economies of scale unless there is a big enough a competitor.Originally posted by Gazelle:Increasing ridership will bring economy of scales for the transport opertors, not increase cost.
By your admission earlier on, we should all take the public transport. So which is it now? Should we carry on being greedy? Or should we take the public transport? Doesn't the government have our welfare at heart. If they reduce the number of COEs, then eventually most people would afford it a luxury item status and not think too much of it. It's precisely because they can take loans so readily now and cars are so readily available now that this mindset has taken over like a poison? Never mind we have to spend the next 10 years of our lives slaving.Originally posted by Gazelle:CAR is probably one of the most important big ticket items for the man, and people could actually sacrifice their lifestyle just to support a car.
If you dont believe you can go to the CAR forums and check out for yourself.
Singaporeans are not just spoilt, they think they are entitle to many other things in life, including cars and freehold properties which rich FT are staying.
Singapore public transport system is already one of the best in the world and the government billion dollars circle line in under construction.
Confuse? no, all we need is a balancing act
Maven2, may I ask if you have finish your accounting in school and do you understand the difference between fixed overhead, variable overhead and semi-variale overhead?Originally posted by maven2:Increasing ridership increases the number in the fleet? Where do you think the costs will have to come from? There is no economies of scale unless there is a big enough a competitor.
Ever heard of monopoly?
Using the car forum as a support for your argument? What utter rubbish. How many people does that represent?Originally posted by Gazelle:CAR is probably one of the most important big ticket items for the man, and people could actually sacrifice their lifestyle just to support a car.
If you dont believe you can go to the CAR forums and check out for yourself.
please dont twist my word, I didnt say ALL singaporeans should take public transport. If you want to drive, just be prepared to pay. period.Originally posted by maven2:By your admission earlier on, we should all take the public transport. So which is it now? Should we carry on being greedy? Or should we take the public transport? Doesn't the government have our welfare at heart. If they reduce the number of COEs, then eventually most people would afford it a luxury item status and not think too much of it. It's precisely because they can take loans so readily now and cars are so readily available now that this mindset has taken over like a poison? Never mind we have to spend the next 10 years of our lives slaving.
So the question. Should we let the poison run its course, or do we stop the poison?
There is only one beneficiary should the poison run its course. After all we can always woo foreign talent to take the place of those who have died. And make them into our own. Suck them dry. Get in more. Perfect.
well said. Politics is a dirty game. Either you win or you lose. What LKY did is common in the world of politics if you look around the world. Political arena is a moral abyss. Even if it mean using underhand methods to overcome your adversaries.Originally posted by maven2:In fact I don't have a REAL Problem with most of their policies. I don't approve of many things sure... but I dont have a REAL Problem except.... the following.
1. All those explanations they give to us.... it is so dumb, it's an insult to our intelligence.
2. They herald to the world that we are a free nation when we are not. If we are not, so be it. This is my bad fortune. But why pretend? Why think that it's easy to mislead us. Are we that stupid?
3. Why get rid of the opposition employing the most unethical of means. What did JBJ do to deserve a defamation lawsuit and made bankrupt. He said the following words, "I have here, in my hands, a case I have brought against SM Lee and PM Goh". That's all. Factual sentence. And he was sued for defamation in the hundreds of thousands. And whatever happened to his case?
Why did he do that? LKY called his team-mate, Tang Liang Hong an anti-christian and something to the effect that pointed to him being a racist.
That is a ridiculous and outrageous statement considering that JBJ is a christian! Who deserved to be sued? But where was the Law?
Why destroy the life of someone who loved Singapore enough to fight all the way for it? Was it worth it just to preserve power? Where was the Law?
So please, please for goodness sakes, wake up. All the propagandist materials you give without having any substance to back it up.... it doesnt work with us. Maybe you are ignorant about the facts.
But we are not stupid. It doesnt work on us.
Maybe to some nerds their virtual world is their no.1 priority, but for people who live in real world, car is their no.1, propably after family and home.Originally posted by eagle:Using the car forum as a support for your argument? What utter rubbish. How many people does that represent?
Why wouldn't you say that public transport is even more important and preferable by the citizens than car? There are Trains forum, Bus forums, Taxi forum. DUH...
Some tactics may be underhand, but we still need to give credits to him for his daringness and ability to utilise them successfully. Sg may or may not have turned into a communist state... which may or may not be good....Originally posted by Spartans:well said. Politics is a dirty game. Either you win or you lose. What LKY did is common in the world of politics if you look around the world. Political arena is a moral abyss. Even using underhand methods to overcome your adversaries.
You have totally twisted my meaning. -.-Originally posted by Gazelle:Maybe to some nerds their virtual world is their no.1 priority, but for people who live in real world, car is their no.1
I run a business and also am a Director of a company. I'm the Marketing Strategies/Corporate Communications Head. Tell me again what you learned in school.Originally posted by Gazelle:Maven2, may I ask if you have finish your accounting in school and do you understand the difference between fixed overhead, variable overhead and semi-variale overhead?
Sure, then can I ask you,Originally posted by maven2:I run a business and also am a Director of a company. I'm the Marketing Strategies/Corporate Communications Head. Tell me again what you learned in school.
those toll system is even worst, they charge you 24.7.365 days a yearOriginally posted by mancha:Those countries that has the Toll system could learn from us about ERP.