LKY keeps taking lots of public money for himself/his family
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An impressive clear headed crystal clear thinking, worth repeating post:Originally posted by maven2:Gazelle. I totally agree with you. You cannot beat people's power. But you can put laws in place to prevent people from being able to have power for a long long time.
You can start with:
1. Creating a system that does not give them equal opportunity to get a rally space.
2. You can give them less TV airtime.
3. Less AND/OR biased press coverage.
4. Threaten them into submission.
5. Don't let them assemble for peaceful demonstrations.
6. Sue the only potential candidates -> Get rid of them and Scare others.
7. Make them put a 10k bond to run for elections.
8. Dig up the dirt on their past mistakes and make them bogeymen.
9. Create a system where you must have as many opposition members as the current government to contest in GRCs. And then when they meet that number, increase the number of candidates.
10. Keep redrawing the GRC boundaries where you know they have a weaker base to become bigger. And then require that they match the large number of candidates to go against them.
11. Blackmail them into not getting lift upgrading if they don't vote you.
12. With all the above and with other perks and bonuses you can make them into sheep. Threaten them with sure failure. It's psychological warfare.
It's actually quite easy to prevent the people from having power.
The only way then to wrest control would to take the government by a coup or force. But that would result in unnecessary bloodshed and would set the country backwards. Which none of us want. Not even the opposition.
We love Singapore too much to do that. -
I am already talking to one.Originally posted by de_middle:then please kindly use it
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I would be very careful with my remarks if I were you. Your remarks are perilously at the very margin of a possible defamation suit........
And ignorance of the law is no defence hor........ so you have been cautioned.....
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A little rebellion now and then is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government. -Thomas JeffersonOriginally posted by maven2:It's actually quite easy to prevent the people from having power.
The only way then to wrest control would to take the government by a coup or force. But that would result in unnecessary bloodshed and would set the country backwards. Which none of us want. Not even the opposition.
We love Singapore too much to do that. -
I was too late ...
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Originally posted by Gazelle:I am already talking to one.
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Strangely enough, for a long post with point by point factors, and specifically addressed, it has not been disputed up till now.
Like i said in another thread,
Make a mountain out of a molehill and hope to inhibit the vision of clarity. It's a trademark right from the leadership to its cronies. -
Don't expect your point by point explanations to be countered. All they can do is issue threats, be sarcastic and attack the person... just like the way they sometimes do it in parliament ... for example Silvia's discussions on the merits of giving LHL the power to appoint positions regarding judges...
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One man's fact is another man's fiction..........Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:But then, he raised his salary from 2.7 million to 3.3 million with public money and that is a fact... -
Denial...
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Freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus; and trial by juries impartially selected, these principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us. -Thomas Jefferson
The positions of president, judges and attorney general should remain independence for maintaining the role of checks and balances. It must never be appointed by prime minister or any party members to remain impartial. -
The human mind is strange... what everyone else can see clearly those with vested interests cannot...Originally posted by (human):Freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus; and trial by juries impartially selected, these principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us. -Thomas Jefferson
The positions of president, judges and attorney general should remain independence for maintaining the role of checks and balances. It must never be appointed by prime minister or any party members to remain impartial. -
Andrew said the ex-convicts are "drunkards and gangsters". Such condescending attitude shows the wolf in sheep skin in you, Andrew.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You love to make stupid statements don't you?
Those drunkards and gangsters that happen to be there to support their friends are "useful" people? People that go, people that attend are all useful people?
Whether a person is useful or useless depends on whether or not he attended the yellow ribbon project outing?
LHL is a useful person just because he showed up? The fact that he and his father keep on taking public money can be forgotten because he attended the yellow ribbon project outing?
According to you LKY is a useless person because he did not turn up even though he is taking so much of public funds?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What an exceptionally stupid statement.
SINGAPORE: Some ten thousand people put on their walking shoes and hit the street in support of former prison inmates Sunday morning.
The 3.5-kilometre walk at Pasir Ris Town Park was organised by the Yellow Ribbon Project to foster public support and acceptance of ex-offenders.
Former drug addict Simon Neo was in and out of prison before converting to Christianity.
"I thought drugs can help me forget all my problems and worries,” he said. But when he became hooked, drugs only brought him pain.
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong wanted to change people's hearts and minds about ex-offenders who had taken a second chance to turn their lives around.
"If you have made a mistake, if you have offended, then there has to be punishment. But if you have taken the punishment and you are prepared to correct yourself and make good and come back onto the right path - if you make the effort, we should give you the second chance," said PM Lee.
There was also a fair at Prison Link Changi Centre that showcased how ex-offenders and ex-inmates are reintegrating into society.
A book of short stories and poems by inmates was launched as well. - CNA/ac -
I said, just because people attend, even when "drunkards and gangsters" attend, that automatically makes them "useful" people, to you? Even "drunkards and gangsters" are useful people just because they attend? Can you be certain that no "drunkards and gangsters" attend?Originally posted by Daddy!!:Andrew said the ex-convicts are "drunkards and gangsters". Such condescending attitude shows the wolf in sheep skin in you, Andrew. -
I wish some ppl will grow up and open their minds more broadly then to start blasting our government.
e,g. My parents have been nuturing and supporting me over the years to who I am today, I am of course in all gratefullness want to return them the effort and resources spent on me. Why not?
What is 3.3 million compared to Singapore's economy? Do you know what is the our country's income by the way? -
Do you like the govt to manage your finance ? The minimum sum in cpf has to be remain frozen till the age of 67 (pay-outs annually thereafter) ...Originally posted by uhbaden:I wish some ppl will grow up and open their minds more broadly then to start blasting our government.
e,g. My parents have been nuturing and supporting me over the years to who I am today, I am of course in all gratefullness want to return them the effort and resources spent on me. Why not?
What is 3.3 million compared to Singapore's economy? Do you know what is the our country's income by the way?
Secondly , the compulsory annuity scheme ... Your money will be set aside to buy it and annuities will start paying out at the age of 86 , how much longer can you live to recover the principal amount ? Or will you lived up to that age to get back what you have been deprived of ?
The govt are earning obscene salaries to come up with this kind of preposterous policies ... -
The government is your parent?Originally posted by uhbaden:I wish some ppl will grow up and open their minds more broadly then to start blasting our government.
e,g. My parents have been nuturing and supporting me over the years to who I am today, I am of course in all gratefullness want to return them the effort and resources spent on me. Why not?
What is 3.3 million compared to Singapore's economy? Do you know what is the our country's income by the way? Unlike your parent, they take from you. Charities take money from donors. Money the charity takes is not "income" like when people work for their income. their wages. When TT Durai took money from the NKF, he too asked: "Do you know what is the income of NKF?"
see (click to link) "Property Prices Rise at the Expense of the Majority"
Parent give to you and take care of you when you were young and helpless. The government planned your suffering when they allowed property prices to rise even before you were born. The government will get the police and the military with guns, if necessary, to come and get you if you do not pay your taxes.
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See how powerful government propaganda through the newspapers and schools can get? They actually make the children think of them as "parents" when "parents" give selflessly while they take unreservedly.
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Whenever Gazelle uses his/her head, I will fully support!Originally posted by Gazelle:Andrew, you are one classic example of why many singapore opposition end up being sued by our ministers for defamation.
If you think you are not and you are smart, I suggest that you back up your statement with facts and figures and not some childish story to feed the sheep in this forum.
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There are many that are so scared that they become worshipers of those that put the fear in them. I choose to be free from irrational/unjustifiable/contrived fear and exercise my freedom to speak.
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you r beyond pathetic.Originally posted by uhbaden:I wish some ppl will grow up and open their minds more broadly then to start blasting our government.
e,g. My parents have been nuturing and supporting me over the years to who I am today, I am of course in all gratefullness want to return them the effort and resources spent on me. Why not?
What is 3.3 million compared to Singapore's economy? Do you know what is the our country's income by the way?
feel free to be angry at my reply. -
which way is easier?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:There are many that are so scared that they become worshipers of those that put the fear in them. I choose to be free from irrational/unjustifiable/contrived fear and exercise my freedom to speak. -
That doesn't mean you have to pay them absurdly high salaries. When you overpaid them, you may cause them to pay more attention to how to spend than how to serve the people. Isn't it?Originally posted by uhbaden:I wish some ppl will grow up and open their minds more broadly then to start blasting our government.
e,g. My parents have been nuturing and supporting me over the years to who I am today, I am of course in all gratefullness want to return them the effort and resources spent on me. Why not?
What is 3.3 million compared to Singapore's economy? Do you know what is the our country's income by the way? -
I dare say...after all the big talks by so "many" anti PAP ppl here, in the next election and many to come, PAP will still emerge victory.
If u guys are really so uncomfortable about PAP mandate, for god damn sake, join up together and run for coming election!
Always talk no action, I see liao also sian.
People change their world by actions, not words!!!! -
"They come, enjoy my speeches, and then go and vote PAP."
Joshua Benjamin Jeyaretnam