Mah still has not disclosed HDB cost structure
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It has been almost one and a half years since Edmund Tan questioned Mah Bow Tan on the costs of buliding HDBs, to which the latter answered, "If he wants to know the costs, then he must first prove how he can build a HDB with just $70,000."
Who can forget the smirk on Mah's face as he said that and how irresponsible those words were. Accountability to citizens has suddenly been taken down a further rung.
Today, Singaporeans are made to pay for the PAP's mistakes and greed by not having enough in their CPF for retirement.
$200,000 to $700,000 for a public housing in S'pore? Go figure.
The annuity plan is just another cover up of their mistakes at the expense of Singaporeans. Once citizens die, the remaining money goes towards the pool rather than to their next of kin. -
Would TT DUrai have disclosed anything voluntarily?
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If this can be disclosed, it will be better than info session.Originally posted by Rock^Star:It has been almost one and a half years since Edmund Tan questioned Mah Bow Tan on the costs of buliding HDBs, to which the latter answered, "If he wants to know the costs, then he must first prove how he can build a HDB with just $70,000."
Who can forget the smirk on Mah's face as he said that and how irresponsible those words were. Accountability to citizens has suddenly been taken down a further rung.
Today, Singaporeans are made to pay for the PAP's mistakes and greed by not having enough in their CPF for retirement.
$200,000 to $700,000 for a public housing in S'pore? Go figure.
The annuity plan is just another cover up of their mistakes at the expense of Singaporeans. Once citizens die, the remaining money goes towards the pool rather than to their next of kin.
There are so many questions posed but not answered directly and clearly.
As a reminder, what was raised by Andrew about PR:Local occupancy of created new jobs.
Can the highest paid in the world provide the answer please.
There must be at least dozens more like these unanswered.
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With the greatest respect, what you're expecting is akin to banking on the world's greatest government (I mean the one headed by Kim Jong Il) to shed light on all its illicit dealings and human rights violations. What are the chances of that happening?Originally posted by Rock^Star:It has been almost one and a half years since Edmund Tan questioned Mah Bow Tan on the costs of buliding HDBs, to which the latter answered, "If he wants to know the costs, then he must first prove how he can build a HDB with just $70,000."
Who can forget the smirk on Mah's face as he said that and how irresponsible those words were. Accountability to citizens has suddenly been taken down a further rung.
Today, Singaporeans are made to pay for the PAP's mistakes and greed by not having enough in their CPF for retirement.
$200,000 to $700,000 for a public housing in S'pore? Go figure.
The annuity plan is just another cover up of their mistakes at the expense of Singaporeans. Once citizens die, the remaining money goes towards the pool rather than to their next of kin.
In all seriousness, accountability does not exist in fascist regimes, does it? -
Not possible to build HDB with $70,000.Originally posted by Rock^Star:It has been almost one and a half years since Edmund Tan questioned Mah Bow Tan on the costs of buliding HDBs, to which the latter answered, "If he wants to know the costs, then he must first prove how he can build a HDB with just $70,000."
Who can forget the smirk on Mah's face as he said that and how irresponsible those words were. Accountability to citizens has suddenly been taken down a further rung.
Today, Singaporeans are made to pay for the PAP's mistakes and greed by not having enough in their CPF for retirement.
$200,000 to $700,000 for a public housing in S'pore? Go figure.
The annuity plan is just another cover up of their mistakes at the expense of Singaporeans. Once citizens die, the remaining money goes towards the pool rather than to their next of kin.
But we can do a cost breakdown. -
Well, it sure won't happen but at least I can inform as many as I can.Originally posted by walesa:With the greatest respect, what you're expecting is akin to banking on the world's greatest government (I mean the one headed by Kim Jong Il) to shed light on all its illicit dealings and human rights violations. What are the chances of that happening?
In all seriousness, accountability does not exist in fascist regimes, does it?
We have the right to know. -
If there are senior people from the construction industry here, maybe they can give us a ballpark figure.
Say 16 stories with 6 units per story(4 room flats). A very rough estimate, how much to build? Excl land cost. -
Lands are owned by the people collectively and paid out of taxes.Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Not possible to build HDB with $70,000.
But we can do a cost breakdown.
If we exclude land the costs of building a 64 sq meter unit is S$50,000.00 as witnessed by a recent construction project carried out under my supervision.
If HDB sells a 3-room flat (about 60-70 sq meters) at S$150,000.00 it will be making close to S$100,000.00 if land cost is not charged again. -
Originally posted by walesa:
I am not a scholar or high flyer. But I am confident of saying this:
With the greatest respect, what you're expecting is akin to banking on the world's greatest government (I mean the one headed by Kim Jong Il) to shed light on all its illicit dealings and human rights violations. [b]What are the chances of that happening?
In all seriousness, accountability does not exist in fascist regimes, does it?
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Theoretically, all your problems can go away IF the people ALL decide to get rid of evil.
So, technically, the solution exist.
Life is more complicated and for many reasons, KIM's people did not unite together to get rid of the big devil.
Another reason is KIM's people do not live in a democracy.
Also, KIM's country is a 1-party state.
Also, KIM's country blocks all external access and information to enter their country. Thus, I am sure KIM controls all the MEDIA (radio, television, newspaper).
KIM's PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY can liberate themselves. The other way is External forces like USA force KIM to resign or somehow get rid of him
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So, there is a solution but it requires all of KIM's people to unite and kick the bustard out of his kingdom. KIM's people most probably have been brainwashed completely and absolutely. So, even if solution exist, the body without the mind cannot act in the right way. They live in FEAR and DURESS. -
You're not wrong - you do indeed have the right to know. That said, just think about it : why do dictatorships the world over score so poorly on press freedom? After all, is the right to be informed not a fundamental human right?Originally posted by Rock^Star:Well, it sure won't happen but at least I can inform as many as I can.
We have the right to know.
What I'm trying to say is it wouldn't be realistic for you do expect a bunch of megalomaniac despots to feed you with information which is detrimental to the image they seem to want to portray. -
That's where the problem starts, isn't it? Utopian solutions and practical solutions are 2 seperate matters entirely.Originally posted by reddressman:I am not a scholar or high flyer. But I am confident of saying this:
Theoretically, all your problems can go away IF the people ALL decide to get rid of evil.
So, technically, the solution exist.
Life is more complicated and for many reasons, KIM's people did not unite together to get rid of the big devil.
Another reason is KIM's people do not live in a democracy.
Also, KIM's country is a 1-party state.
Also, KIM's country blocks all external access and information to enter their country. Thus, I am sure KIM controls all the MEDIA (radio, television, newspaper).
KIM's PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY can liberate themselves. The other way is External forces like USA force KIM to resign or somehow get rid of him .
So, there is a solution but it requires all of KIM's people to unite and kick the bustard out of his kingdom. KIM's people most probably have been brainwashed completely and absolutely. So, even if solution exist, the body without the mind cannot act in the right way. They live in FEAR and DURESS.
Mind, Kim's regime is a democracy by Kim's definition. Pretty much like the shambles you have here even if it looks better than DPRK on many fronts.
Rock^Star actually addressed a very pertinent point - his sort of questions would yield answers easily in the free world just by flipping through parliamentary archives. That said, the way this regime is run isn't very far off from Kim's playground - so, all in all, you shouldn't expect a level of transparency any more tangible than the world's finest government headed by the finest leader in the world known as Kim Jong Il.