PROTEST AGAINST COMPULSORY ANNUITY
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PROTEST AGAINST COMPULSORY ANNUITY
Date and Time: 8 September Saturday, 4pm
Dress in Black
Center point
(SMS all friends, and have a day out)
We are not armchair critics, as long as there is a great surge of shoppers in black at Centerpoint at around 4pm on Saturday, we have achieved something.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages?msg=150184.1
http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2007/08/protest-against-annuities-sept-8th-2007.html
http://www.thevoiddeck.org/
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Pastor Martin Niemöller -
Protest against something that is not written black and white yet. How enterprising. Got permit from police liao ?
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I'm just wearing black and shopping with the folks at centerpoint, need a permit for that? And its indoors right?
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Beware of ang chia.
Singapore police stop Burmese protesters at Orchard Road
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Just go and shop with your friends and family, wear black. Nobody said to carry placards or do a march.
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Goodluck for you all... can't join, cause I will be at Bali.Originally posted by Jontst78:Just go and shop with your friends and family, wear black. Nobody said to carry placards or do a march. -
NUS fee hike, did that.Originally posted by Jontst78:Just go and shop with your friends and family, wear black. Nobody said to carry placards or do a march.
Turnout was only 1 in 8.
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One fine day, the government may even impose a Tax on those who lives beyond a certain old age - such as beyond 85 years old..!!
Wouldn't be surprised....! -
ya, you can think of that. Those get super big peanuts salary minister can think of that too, maybe something even "better" to suck more money from us to their pocket.Originally posted by HyperFocal:One fine day, the government may even impose a Tax on those who lives beyond a certain old age - such as beyond 85 years old..!!
Wouldn't be surprised....! -
People normally have black clothing in their wardrobes.
They wear them casually any day.
So those who dress as such, that go to Centrepoint, clueless of this protest, are to be counted as protesters?
Protesters by default.
Great idea. It cannot fail. -
based on the links provided, one of the says that there is a suspicion that this activity could be started by someone as a trap.
grouping in 4's or more is illegal?
it is not that I support or dun support protests, its just that like having sex, need to play it safe.
some more, how many is aware, really and its this saturday.
I might go there to witness (cannot say too much in public forum where Gazelles shit all over the place). but until what time? can follow on to ministry of sound or not? -
seems like its not a protest. Sounds like they are going to wear black and go to centrepoint and shop...walk around and wink at each other.
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lol. turnups are normally low like siao. lolOriginally posted by kramnave:seems like its not a protest. Sounds like they are going to wear black and go to centrepoint and shop...walk around and wink at each other. -
Sad to said it...... But, I think this 'protest' will again have very limited sucess.
1) Since nobody is really doing anything except 'walking & winking' at each other. Majority of S'porean won't even notice just because there are more ppl moving around in 'Black'.
2) Since there is no real gathering..... can't have more than 4 ppl together.... even more hard to get noticed.
3) Since nobody will notice anything is happening (reason 1+2)..... the Govt can again act blur and said that maybe 'Black' is the IN colour for that day.
This reminded me of the wearing 'Brown' protest for MrBrown sometimes back..... only 30+ person turnout..... -
I'll pray for a decent turnout.
like in the first post, just want to achieve a really obvious surge of people wearing black hanging out at Centerpoint at 4pm on Saturday. Its just a start, hopefully it becomes obvious enough a picture to appear in "today" or something. An all out protest will put alot of people off from joining, for fear of persecution. Maybe we need to start with something light, like a passive protest.
Extract from hereLet me tell you about Blue Jeans Day. (I was told about this by an American friend.)
In the 1980s to the early 1990s in the US when awareness/support for gay issues was nowhere near as high as it is today, an individual from a campus queer club came up with a truly brilliant idea: designate one day on campus "Blue Jeans Day" with the tagline "Wear Blue Jeans If You Support Gay Rights".
The problem: just about every student on campus wore blue jeans!
The results ranged from the hilarious to the truly infuriated. Initially, most people were caught unaware and reactions to them were anything from being thanked for their "support" to being ridiculed by their friends.
There were also varying reactions from those who were unaware of Blue Jeans Day. Anger at being "tricked" to amusement etc.
Over the years, some people conciouslly wore blue jeans, while others equally conciouslly did not. But everyone started talking about something they had previously refused to talk about.
No, this was not a way of trying to inflate the actual support for gay rights; it actually got people starting to talk about gay issues and rights.
I witnessed one such Blue Jeans Day in 1995. It was hilarious, it was superb; it was the most brilliant idea that I'd come across.
The idea will not work wholesale with what you hope to accomplish. But adjust it to the local situation.
Someone suggested dressing in black on Orchard Road. If that is a very common colour to wear in Orchard Road on a Saturday afternoon (or night) then it is something along those lines. But you also need something distinguishing. Don't meet at the same spot, for instance. (Like the Mr Browners.) This way the police will have a very tough time to knowing who is protesting and who is not. (Be prepared with your own individual, "innocent" reasons for wearing what you are wearing.)
I'll pay attention to this thread as and when (or if) the idea develops. -
funeral @ centerpoint
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A Quote form the guy that started this movement
Hi everyone.
Please remember this event is to show our displeasure over the forced compulsory annuities that starts payouts at age 85 and forfeits our capital upon death before 85. It is not against the current annuities available.
Please also don't be foolish enough to get identified and marked for life. There are many people here who have many different agendas, please do not in a moment of anger against the government be used by them.
We have to remember why we are going to CentrePoint dressed in black on 8th September 2007.
8th September 2007 is a day we all go shopping in CentrePoint, but dressed in black. When you are there, please don't just stand there - you may get singled out - just go shopping within CentrePoint. There is no need to be fully black from head to toe, just either the top or bottom is black can liao.
I am strongly against any suggestions that will identify the participants. I disagree with wearing a black armband or a black ribbon or anything that will sets us apart, I think it is a very foolish idea as such items will identify us.
It will make it very much easier for the authorities to differentiate who are the real shoppers and who are those against the compulsory annuities scheme.
Being identified is not the name of the game. We don't intend to be martyrs - please make sure you don't become one.
It is a citizens' effort, we don't need people like CSJ because we are not making a political statement. We do it because we love - we want equitable policies for ourselves and our love ones. So, please don't be used by others for their own hidden agendas.
Shopping is not a crime. Shopping dressed in black is also not a crime. We just want to tell the government, please think of us when they come out with future policies. It is not our aim to bring down the government. We just want them to know that we have feelings, we have aspirations and we know how to think and in future, when they come up with policies, they should be equitable policies.
So, just go shopping with friends and relatives - no need for heroics. And for maximum impact, it will be good if all of us can be there from 4pm onwards. Can you just imagine an entire CentrePoint building of shoppers dressed in black? Shopping is a national pastime, so let's just go shopping on the 8th September 2007 dressed in black in CentrePoint for a good cause! -
Just look at the obiturary and count how many people die over the age of 85
bear in mind in most chinese's funeral, when they put the age, they add 2 to 3 yrs older. Age must be even number, so when odd number, they add 3
some cultures may prefer odd numbers... not sure...
Fact is, not many people die past age 85.
Furthermore, imagine if CPF withdrawal age is increased to 67. You need to live past 87 to have finished up your CPF -
Who said that it will start paying out after age 85 ?
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The principal will be paid out to you over time, only by the time you hit 85, you would have received the full amount you paid. If you die before then, all the remaining is lost, and used to pay those who live past 85.Originally posted by kramnave:Who said that it will start paying out after age 85 ? -
One man with courage makes a majority. - Andrew Jackson(7th American president)
I solute you. -
Ya, many of us have lots of black clothing and most of the time we wear black (me and my friends) when we go out.Originally posted by mancha:People normally have black clothing in their wardrobes.
They wear them casually any day.
So those who dress as such, that go to Centrepoint, clueless of this protest, are to be counted as protesters?
Protesters by default.
Great idea. It cannot fail. -
just make it those who want to protest wear tops lor. then the whole sg will be with youOriginally posted by qlqq9:Ya, many of us have lots of black clothing and most of the time we wear black (me and my friends) when we go out. -
Not a bad idea, risk pooling better than old age pension in a pay as you go system. Basically insurance in case you live beyond 85. But female and male different expected lifespan. They should consider charging males less or bring down the age for males. Then again, nothing confirmed ?Originally posted by Jontst78:The principal will be paid out to you over time, only by the time you hit 85, you would have received the full amount you paid. If you die before then, all the remaining is lost, and used to pay those who live past 85. -
This Compulsory Annuity is half-assed as hell...!
..as with all other "bright ideas" they came up with in their craphouse...