Chee Soon Juan goes to prison again
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While what you say may have some truth but it still does not diminish the paramount importance of democracy.Originally posted by Daddy!!:.........capitalism dominates over democracy, profits dominates ideology.
Capitalism sprung out from democracy.
Anyway, the focus here is not on China and USA, it is about Chee Soon Juan. -
Shhhhh.....no speak others.....Bush has committed tyrannicide.Originally posted by elindra:I think Bush is the bigger tyrant how he bull doze his way into the Middle East for Oil and the Weapons of Mass Destruction all turns out to be a figment of his imagination. -
And history tells you that income inequality will never be sustainable.Originally posted by Daddy!!:quote:
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Originally posted by Daddy!!:
China is a communist country and yet all the western democracies invested in China like seow. What does that tell you ?
wake up Andrew. still dreaming?
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i am surprised at your IQ level. The logic is so simple that you dont seem to understand.
China is communist country where Chinese people dont have a say in politics. Their PLA controls everything. People get rounded up and get shot like nobody's business. Farmers got chasen out of their land by greedy and politicallypowerful property developers etc. Yet western democracies invested so much in China that China gets to be prosperous.
My question to your simplistic mind is this : To the western democracies, which is more important, ideology or profits, specifically democracy or capitalism ?
The fact that China is made more properous by foreign direct investments teaches us that capitalism dominates over democracy, profits dominates ideology.
Resist all that revisionist crap that you've been hearing, it's not all good all the time. -
From Russia to China, every nation that once believed in the utopia of income equality and tried everything from communism to socialism of various kinds have come to realize that only capitalism works. There is greater income disparity, but everyone is better off.Originally posted by LazerLordz:And history tells you that income inequality will never be sustainable.
Resist all that revisionist crap that you've been hearing, it's not all good all the time.
It does not matter if some are far richer than others, as long as everyone becomes better off. The leftist liberals would rather have everyone equally poor and become a north korea. -
Communist China became prosperous because the US allowed it.
US can also impoverish China if she has to and China knows it. -
Again, you show little ability to perform a nuanced and contextual comprehension.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:From Russia to China, every nation that once believed in the utopia of income equality and tried everything from communism to socialism of various kinds have come to realize that only capitalism works. There is greater income disparity, but everyone is better off.
It does not matter if some are far richer than others, as long as everyone becomes better off. The leftist liberals would rather have everyone equally poor and become a north korea.
Utopia, by virtue of its own lexical term, is not capable of existing.
You're right, capitalism tempered with policies that bootstrap the less-well off is fine. Problem is, some policies are sorely lacking because they might hinder supernormal profits for those who make policies. -
In the east was a little red dot,
A one-man-one-vote democracy,
Men were anointed leaders,
To fight for justice and equity,
To serve fellow citizens with humility,
Alas men once given opportunity,
Became haughty and **@#ey,
Obsessed with self called talents,
Legalistically they tweaked all laws,
Pushing bills through parliament,
To prevent citizens from speaking,
Or gathering in 5 without permit,
Paid themselves the highest salaries,
Not by contract of appointment,
But by writing their own pay cheques,
Of amount liken to winning lottery prizes.
Large enough said to prevent corruptions,
Surpassed president's of United States,
Bonuses, life-long fees, director fees not enough,
Quietly double pay for working while retiring,
They tax, double tax and back-charge costs,
Made bogey of medicare and facilities
Hoarded taxes for reserve to claim success,
By farming them out to private entities
Devised to charge fees by profiteering.
From taxes and assets like land already paid,
Billions of unspent taxes became surpluses,
Used to buy votes with election goodies,
Not satisfied with one-man-one-vote process,
Claimed it will cause freak election,
So tweaked the one-man-one-vote into GRC,
Which leaders said will provide racial harmony,
In actual fact it was a monopoly,
To prevent any one from election in single wards,
To pacify peasants and potential rebel,
Election goodies were given like lift upgrade,
Upgrade however is for precinct that voted ruling party,
After GRC walkover goodies were all taken back,
With GST increases and raising of all fees,
Public housing on people's owned lands,
Sold to citizens at market rate called subsidy,
Forever more taxes, fees and hypocrisy,
Government going full-time into business,
That is how leaders keep charging higher fees,
From banking to coffins that drive up prices,
Newspaper men afraid to tell the truths,
For fears of defamation or losing licence,
Reported good news but hushed on shin corp or Barclay,
Proclaimed themselves as world-class leaders,
But denied all problems as honest mistakes,
Losses deemed long-term investments,
Recessions caused by failed restructuring,
Blamed on external circumstances,
Or people's failure to upgrade,
Against oath, resorted to gambling resort,
Mass young unemployed blamed on globalization,
Cost of living risen to first world,
Yet wages of citizens dropped to the third,
Propaganda by counter-insurgency agents,
Spread vile about democracy or red herrings,
Dished out to distract brow-beated citizens,
Retirement funds of citizens saved by their own toils,
Frozen to 85 due to bankrupting by shin corp loss
Annuities traded for CPF nestegg till last breath,
Self-possessed leaders full of talents,
Judge for yourself denizen of this little red dot,
Is it a first world government as many were told,
With orderly police city and no robber,
Or is it one hell of bloody stain,
Oozed from corpses below MRT bigotry slain. -
In the end i guess there will never be a perfect model that both meets the needs and satisfies the wants of everyone. The reason why capitalism prevails is simply because it's pros outweigh its cons, pure and simple when distilled.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Again, you show little ability to perform a nuanced and contextual comprehension.
Utopia, by virtue of its own lexical term, is not capable of existing.
You're right, capitalism tempered with policies that bootstrap the less-well off is fine. Problem is, some policies are sorely lacking because they might hinder supernormal profits for those who make policies.
Also, i wasn't really following but wasn't this abt csj? I dun agree with what he does or says, but i dun agree with the Sg government either. In all fairness, we're pretty well off, as in ordinary citizens, compared to quite a few other countries in our region, let alone the world. They aren't tyrants, but i would like to see them having to be accountable to someone who actually has the time to scrutinize them. I dun agree with certain things they do or have done, but hey, nothing's perfect eh? -
Dear Doctor Chee Soon Juan,
Please do not test the system again and again, we all know who is the master in singapore.Please do something that will help to change the political landscape in singapore.Start a movement, a soft approach like a non violent non confrontational way(gandhi sitting down despite riot police bashing people) by wearing black gloves(black panther movement in usa fight for civil rights) or black armbands.
Start with small things than tackle heavier stuff like governmental regulations.
All people can see and hear because no wool can be pulled over our eyes or ears.
During Elections, who are supporting PAP ? "the entire machinery" of civil service and "grassroots organisations" are supporting PAP. Why, can someone tell me why?
Should this be so?I thought civil service should be neutral as they are paid in singapore dollars,taxpayers dollars not some party funds.Grassroots organisations should be not be partisan being taxpayers dollars are used fund their activities.
Court Judges are appointed by the party in power, to serve the purpose of judging,passing laws and to preserve the constitution.Please bear in mind who is paying your salary not PAP not workers' party not chee soon juan. we the people of singapore.To serve with honour and pride not to serve vested interests of other people. I am such a idealist but that is the truth. What can we do if party in power appoints judges that "assist" them?
Nonething because i am not the person in power, not you citizens of singapore, people of singapore voted for PAP for this term.So we have to bear with it.You cannot start a people revolution(as in China) with two or three people from workers' party or Mr Low or Mr Chiam right?
So we are in this boat for these years,try your luck in the next election.
You think that PAP can lose their majority in the next election ? I think not for at least next 20 years. -
You did not advise him to apply for a permit?!Originally posted by jessepoh:Dear Doctor Chee Soon Juan,
Please do not test the system again and again, we all know who is the master in singapore.Please do something that will help to change the political landscape in singapore.Start a movement, a soft approach like a non violent non confrontational way(gandhi sitting down despite riot police bashing people) by wearing black gloves(black panther movement in usa fight for civil rights) or black armbands.
Start with small things than tackle heavier stuff like governmental regulations.
All people can see and hear because no wool can be pulled over our eyes or ears.
During Elections, who are supporting PAP ? "the entire machinery" of civil service and "grassroots organisations" are supporting PAP. Why, can someone tell me why?
Should this be so?I thought civil service should be neutral as they are paid in singapore dollars,taxpayers dollars not some party funds.Grassroots organisations should be not be partisan being taxpayers dollars are used fund their activities.
Court Judges are appointed by the party in power, to serve the purpose of judging,passing laws and to preserve the constitution.Please bear in mind who is paying your salary not PAP not workers' party not chee soon juan. we the people of singapore.To serve with honour and pride not to serve vested interests of other people. I am such a idealist but that is the truth. What can we do if party in power appoints judges that "assist" them?
Nonething because i am not the person in power, not you citizens of singapore, people of singapore voted for PAP for this term.So we have to bear with it.You cannot start a people revolution(as in China) with two or three people from workers' party or Mr Low or Mr Chiam right?
So we are in this boat for these years,try your luck in the next election.
You think that PAP can lose their majority in the next election ? I think not for at least next 20 years.
A kangaroo court can equate movement with protest. -
I personally do not see anything wrong with what he is doing. If the govt is as wonderful, outstanding without flaws like what they always advertise, then why are they so frighten of letting dissident voice to be heard? Why would they install laws and mechanisms to prevent ppls from crticising them or obstructing the flow of alternative ideas/suggestion? For those that condemn him, ask yourself what have you done to let the voices of hearlanders be heard by the 'power of one'? I have seen many ppls from all walks of life including forummers here, criticising the govt, but come election time, they vote the lightning, for fear of various retributive actions if they voted oppositions. But for Dr. Chee, he is at least many times braver than any of us here. With a good PHD, he could have gotten a good job overseases or perhaps even join the PAP asone of those so called 'post-65 MPs' and become a seat warmer. If his interest is just to become famous, he could do it in many other easier ways, but from the fact that he stayed firm eventhough going to jail for many times, shows a great deal of his character.......
For those that say he is working for foreign countries to put down SG lar, he tried to escape SG while bankrupt lar, give what I am abt to say a deeper thought............
Why did SPF custom allow Richard Yong and his wife to leave for HongKong when they are prime suspects in the NKF saga. Their photos are well emblazoned on the newspapers for weeks, many ppls already know their face liao and the SG police can actually let him slip pass their immigration filtering system. This shows how 'selective' our SG police is in dealing with these cases.
For those who question his character just because he ousted Chiam, listen to this. In the founding era of P4P, the party is made up of many union leaders, blue-collared workers and also the english speaking white collared guys. Lxx, made use of those chinese speaking blue collared grp to secure the support of the heartlanders and when P4P became govt, they accuse the grp as communist and expel them out of SG. Another seldom known fact is that Lxx once worked as English translator for the Japanese during the war years. This in fact speaks great volume of the character and moral integrity of Lxx.....
And for Chee letting the international community know of SG's plight= betraying SG. Think of this.......many toursit or expats that worked in SG for extended period of time already know of the 'great deeds' of the 'power of one'. Even if Chee did not raise the issue, many ppls already know that we are living in a pseudo-democratic regime, as we can see of the latest IMF meeting saga.
Lastly, perhaps you do not know, Dr. Sun yat sen, the revolutionary that overthrew the Manchus actually drew lots of monetary support from overseases and especially overseases chinese. The armanents and weapons are bought overseases and smuggled via Japan. So by this context, does it mean he is a evil man? Think abt it................ -
Originally posted by equlus84:Another seldom known fact is that Lxx once worked as English translator for the Japanese during the war years. This in fact speaks great volume of the character and moral integrity of Lxx.....
Verify that pls. Thanks. -
A prisoner in his own country
Huang Chih Mei
07 Sep 07
Last week, our children were feeling excited about the coming school holidays and they were talking about what they wanted to do as a family. My husband told them, "Well, I am going to prison next week."
My eldest daughter looked at me and asked, "Is Papa joking or serious?"
I said, "This government doesn't seem to like your Papa very much, does it?"
Soon Juan's travel ban resulted from his bankruptcy has effectively made him a prisoner in his own country since 1 April 2006.
I am partly pleased with the fact that he doesn't need to be constantly traveling and away from the family. At the same time, however, I understand his frustration at not being able to attend meetings overseas, to be there to network with fellow democrats, to make passionate presentations, and to impress upon the international community of the political situation in Singapore.
Most of the time, the world is rather uninformed of Singapore's authoritarian government and its sophisticated yet repressive controls, despite Singapore being a presumably modern, progressive, rich city-state.
Even when they know, many prevailing commercial interests tend to out-weigh the prospects of antagonizing the Singapore government that is very much into business itself. In addition, there are always many well-paid mercenaries to carry out the PAP government's public relations work among various international circles.
Apparently, for most people and organisations around the globe, the cause of those living in third-world countries with their familiar TV images of poverty and unrest seem a less threatening one to defend.
It is a lonely job at home and overseas for any Singaporean democracy advocate.
Despite the authority's rejections for all of Soon Juan's travel applications, there is little we can do about it. Neither do we know how long they will hold him under city arrest.
Personally, I don't really need to get out of Singapore, except to go back to Taiwan to visit my parents. Nevertheless, I can still feel the effects of being confined to a small place, a city without countryside, nor the change of four seasons.
There are people who ask me why I have not become a Singapore citizen after having lived here for more than 16 years. I thought the answer should be quite obvious - it would be a terrifying thought that your own government which is supposed to protect you is instead, your enemy. But, I told them that this place is my home, and I am prepared to grow old in Singapore with my husband and children.
One evening, when our three children were brushing their teeth before going to bed. Soon Juan looked at them and commented, "They are the cushion of our tough life in this political struggle."
True, when my mother asked me, "Are you happy?" I told her that I am not unhappy at all.
Nowadays, three weeks for Soon Juan to be away from home is considered a long time, especially for our children who always enjoy his being around. But, I told them that this unpleasant inconvenience is not going to be forever.
Meanwhile, we will wait patiently for his release from prison. We are not going anywhere else.
Dr Huang Chih Mei, the wife of Dr Chee Soon Juan, is from Taiwan. She has been living in Singapore since 1991. -
Durai got a job in Abu Dhabi and was permitted to travel so that he can pay the money owed to NKF . CSJ applied but was turned down 12 times.
Whose offense was more serious anyway?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/si[ngaporelocalnews/view/298407/1/.html
SINGAPORE: Former National Kidney Foundation (NKF) CEO, TT Durai, looks set to be employed by a leading company in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to help it expand the healthcare sector there.
The High Court on Friday granted Durai permission to travel to Abu Dhabi for work.
Durai was sentenced in June to three months' jail for misleading NKF with a false invoice of S$20,000.
He is appealing against the sentence and his bail of S$100,000 remains.
The court heard from Durai's lawyer Sant Singh that his client is being employed by the Tricon Group of Companies in the UAE.
He was originally supposed to be based full time in Abu Dhabi, but the company now requires him to be there only for seven days in a month.
As proof of his intended employment, Durai also produced a letter from Dr Albert Hong of RSP Architects, which is a partner of the Tricon Group.
Meanwhile, the court was told that Durai has paid up S$1 million out of the S$4.05 million that is due to the NKF with the help of a close friend.
Mr Sant Singh told the court that Durai's new job would help him settle the remaining amount with the NKF.
Justice Tay Yong Kwang also ordered that Durai furnish a letter from a responsible person to the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau, stating the reasons and estimated period of travel, if he needs to make a trip to other countries.
- CNA/so -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
Life of a martyr.
[b]A prisoner in his own country
Huang Chih Mei
07 Sep 07
Last week, our children were feeling excited about the coming school holidays and they were talking about what they wanted to do as a family. My husband told them, "Well, I am going to prison next week."
My eldest daughter looked at me and asked, "Is Papa joking or serious?"
I said, "This government doesn't seem to like your Papa very much, does it?"
Soon Juan's travel ban resulted from his bankruptcy has effectively made him a prisoner in his own country since 1 April 2006.
I am partly pleased with the fact that he doesn't need to be constantly traveling and away from the family. At the same time, however, I understand his frustration at not being able to attend meetings overseas, to be there to network with fellow democrats, to make passionate presentations, and to impress upon the international community of the political situation in Singapore.
Most of the time, the world is rather uninformed of Singapore's authoritarian government and its sophisticated yet repressive controls, despite Singapore being a presumably modern, progressive, rich city-state.
Even when they know, many prevailing commercial interests tend to out-weigh the prospects of antagonizing the Singapore government that is very much into business itself. In addition, there are always many well-paid mercenaries to carry out the PAP government's public relations work among various international circles.
Apparently, for most people and organisations around the globe, the cause of those living in third-world countries with their familiar TV images of poverty and unrest seem a less threatening one to defend.
It is a lonely job at home and overseas for any Singaporean democracy advocate.
Despite the authority's rejections for all of Soon Juan's travel applications, there is little we can do about it. Neither do we know how long they will hold him under city arrest.
Personally, I don't really need to get out of Singapore, except to go back to Taiwan to visit my parents. Nevertheless, I can still feel the effects of being confined to a small place, a city without countryside, nor the change of four seasons.
There are people who ask me why I have not become a Singapore citizen after having lived here for more than 16 years. I thought the answer should be quite obvious - it would be a terrifying thought that your own government which is supposed to protect you is instead, your enemy. But, I told them that this place is my home, and I am prepared to grow old in Singapore with my husband and children.
One evening, when our three children were brushing their teeth before going to bed. Soon Juan looked at them and commented, "They are the cushion of our tough life in this political struggle."
True, when my mother asked me, "Are you happy?" I told her that I am not unhappy at all.
Nowadays, three weeks for Soon Juan to be away from home is considered a long time, especially for our children who always enjoy his being around. But, I told them that this unpleasant inconvenience is not going to be forever.
Meanwhile, we will wait patiently for his release from prison. We are not going anywhere else.
Dr Huang Chih Mei, the wife of Dr Chee Soon Juan, is from Taiwan. She has been living in Singapore since 1991.
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