emigration is not easy
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scandinavian countries are always the best
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because you live in sub sub urban, you are de-gressing and not progressing. -
a) Job market in Singapore is not stagnating it is growing or else why would singapore government is consider increasing the population to 6m?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Consider this:
The Singapore job market is stagnanting and the untalented better go and find a good country which is still growing to accept them. Yes, they will be second class citizens but it is better than being second class citizens in their own country.
b) If you are untalented, you will not make it in anywhere you go and furthermore I cant think of a country that will accept immigrant without talent, unless you have $$
c) There will always be rich and poor people in every country and being poor doesnt mean you are 2nd class citizen because you are entitled to same rights, votes, freedom, and laws that govern this country. -
i am an oracle database administrator and last job was a presales. as i had travelled around singapore and gave numerous presentations, i can see that there is an overwhelming numbers of foreigners as compared to singaporeans, sometime, the latter is non-existent. take credit sussie for example, 100% of their IT staffs are foreigners. so is stanchart and citibank.
when i applied for some new job opportunities, agencies told me that they are looking for people younger than 35. FT bosses will most likely hire their own kind. when i attend meetings with customers/colleagues, 50% the meeting are in hindi.
do i feel like a foreigner in my own country? yes! It is no longer a country that i grew up with and loved. It is getting more and more "foreign" (pardon the pun).
what does my 2.5 years of NS and 16 years of reservist count for? nothing? just a discharge letter that is computer printed.
i looked around my neighbourhood in sg and workplace, almost all are foreigners. where are the singaporeans? very few, im afraid. It is time that i followed my grandparents' footsteps; to migrate to another country for the future of my siblings. -
Agreed . Our contributions for this country are not reciprocated .Originally posted by fishbuff:i am an oracle database administrator and last job was a presales. as i had travelled around singapore and gave numerous presentations, i can see that there is an overwhelming numbers of foreigners as compared to singaporeans, sometime, the latter is non-existent. take credit sussie for example, 100% of their IT staffs are foreigners. so is stanchart and citibank.
when i applied for some new job opportunities, agencies told me that they are looking for people younger than 35. FT bosses will most likely hire their own kind. when i attend meetings with customers/colleagues, 50% the meeting are in hindi.
do i feel like a foreigner in my own country? yes! It is no longer a country that i grew up with and loved. It is getting more and more "foreign" (pardon the pun).
what does my 2.5 years of NS and 16 years of reservist count for? nothing? just a discharge letter that is computer printed.
i looked around my neighbourhood in sg and workplace, almost all are foreigners. where are the singaporeans? very few, im afraid. It is time that i followed my grandparents' footsteps; to migrate to another country for the future of my siblings. -
Ok, immigration is not easy.
So?
So, everyone not happy ones also die die stuck here and get fumed until the lungs dry up ? ha ha ha .
Congratulations to everyone reading this. -
I agree. Foreigners are everywhere now. Much more so than a few years back. Its like everybody I see on the streets, 50% I would say are outsiders. You have got to be really dishonest to say you have not noticed them. And worst of all is that employers prefer hiring PRs due to the fact that they do not have to attend annual reservist. Furthermore, the rising inflation means skyrocketing prices are coming. It might not be much now but just imagine 10 years down the road. Who knows Singapore might still be Singapore then.Originally posted by fishbuff:i am an oracle database administrator and last job was a presales. as i had travelled around singapore and gave numerous presentations, i can see that there is an overwhelming numbers of foreigners as compared to singaporeans, sometime, the latter is non-existent. take credit sussie for example, 100% of their IT staffs are foreigners. so is stanchart and citibank.
when i applied for some new job opportunities, agencies told me that they are looking for people younger than 35. FT bosses will most likely hire their own kind. when i attend meetings with customers/colleagues, 50% the meeting are in hindi.
do i feel like a foreigner in my own country? yes! It is no longer a country that i grew up with and loved. It is getting more and more "foreign" (pardon the pun).
what does my 2.5 years of NS and 16 years of reservist count for? nothing? just a discharge letter that is computer printed.
i looked around my neighbourhood in sg and workplace, almost all are foreigners. where are the singaporeans? very few, im afraid. It is time that i followed my grandparents' footsteps; to migrate to another country for the future of my siblings.
Add to that the irreversable effects of global warming and we have one major problem to deal with in the future. Rising temperatures & sea levels, more deseases, a booming nation caused by lowering birth rates and thus higher taxes. Now, all those above doesn't sound ideal. I don't picture myself living in Singapore in the future. I just cannot imagine brining out my son or daughter in such a place! No way that is going to happen! As soon-to-be-parents, we are advised not to be selfish. Bring up your children in a better environment free from the selfish acts of human beings and their so-called modernisation activities! All those benefit no one in the long run! Yes, the rich gets richer but they all forgot one thing. Just like Yin & Yang, there has to be a balance in this world. Once the balance is out, everything falls apart. Which is what is happening now. Remember, sometimes the best things in life really is for free.
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Yup indeed its true....that is is why I agree with another forumer that we should all follow in our forefathers' footsteps and emigrate....Sillypore is just an empty shell...most things associated with our childhood are gone...there is no point staying on here as this little red dot will get what it deserves coming....we all know about Sillypore being arrogant, materialistic, only economically driven, superficial....even our kids have become soft.....I seriously doubt the majority of the local kids' ability to survive, sure there will be tough kids in Sillypore....maybe 20%Originally posted by fishbuff:i am an oracle database administrator and last job was a presales. as i had travelled around singapore and gave numerous presentations, i can see that there is an overwhelming numbers of foreigners as compared to singaporeans, sometime, the latter is non-existent. take credit sussie for example, 100% of their IT staffs are foreigners. so is stanchart and citibank.
when i applied for some new job opportunities, agencies told me that they are looking for people younger than 35. FT bosses will most likely hire their own kind. when i attend meetings with customers/colleagues, 50% the meeting are in hindi.
do i feel like a foreigner in my own country? yes! It is no longer a country that i grew up with and loved. It is getting more and more "foreign" (pardon the pun).
what does my 2.5 years of NS and 16 years of reservist count for? nothing? just a discharge letter that is computer printed.
i looked around my neighbourhood in sg and workplace, almost all are foreigners. where are the singaporeans? very few, im afraid. It is time that i followed my grandparents' footsteps; to migrate to another country for the future of my siblings.
After all, Sillypore was built on the sweat of immigrants, so let Sillypore continue to be built from the sweat of the IT professionals from India and the lecturers, coffee shop assistants from China....no harm letting try their luck
Can you imagine what the governments of China and India thought of their citizens(those that came to Sillypore) 100 years ago...QUITTERS....oh well what goes around comes around
Nevertheless, we should move on to other countries and try our luck and see how we can shape the future of other countries, just ignore the quitter label....we are not quitters, we are entrepreneurs and adventurers.....after all, we in the business circles will know the harsh realities....lower business costs thru cheaper and skilled labor from India and China...let's see how much more Sillyporeans have to take to survive..... -
I know how you feel......whatever is done is done...no point thinking about it, after all, most of us probably would not be independent enough or had enough freedom to make our own decisions when we were young, we just followed instructions and went through the motions that is so 'uniquely' Sillyporean, pri sch, sec sch, jc/poly, NS, uni, secure job, get married and contribute babies to the little red dot....all the while being risk averse and stay kiasu at the buffet table....Originally posted by fishbuff:i am an oracle database administrator and last job was a presales. as i had travelled around singapore and gave numerous presentations, i can see that there is an overwhelming numbers of foreigners as compared to singaporeans, sometime, the latter is non-existent. take credit sussie for example, 100% of their IT staffs are foreigners. so is stanchart and citibank.
when i applied for some new job opportunities, agencies told me that they are looking for people younger than 35. FT bosses will most likely hire their own kind. when i attend meetings with customers/colleagues, 50% the meeting are in hindi.
do i feel like a foreigner in my own country? yes! It is no longer a country that i grew up with and loved. It is getting more and more "foreign" (pardon the pun).
what does my 2.5 years of NS and 16 years of reservist count for? nothing? just a discharge letter that is computer printed.
i looked around my neighbourhood in sg and workplace, almost all are foreigners. where are the singaporeans? very few, im afraid. It is time that i followed my grandparents' footsteps; to migrate to another country for the future of my siblings.
I don't regret NS as I did not have a choice.....what you can decide is if you want your future kids, if they are boys, will serve NS or not. Of course its a waste of time, but what's done is done.....no point griping, move on and emigrate is what I always say...just throw that discharge letter away...afterall, if there are so many keen to imigrate to Sillypore from India and China, let their children form the future army....as long as its not your kids right? Remember you have a choice for your future, not your past -
Yup, the simple things like sitting by a lake the size of Sillypore and enjoying the cool breeze is indeed free....sure we have to work hard in our newly adopted countries, but I see many like me truly enjoying the simple pleasures that cannot be found in Sillypore.....Originally posted by Lim Wei Ming:I agree. Foreigners are everywhere now. Much more so than a few years back. Its like everybody I see on the streets, 50% I would say are outsiders. You have got to be really dishonest to say you have not noticed them. And worst of all is that employers prefer hiring PRs due to the fact that they do not have to attend annual reservist. Furthermore, the rising inflation means skyrocketing prices are coming. It might not be much now but just imagine 10 years down the road. Who knows Singapore might still be Singapore then.
Add to that the irreversable effects of global warming and we have one major problem to deal with in the future. Rising temperatures & sea levels, more deseases, a booming nation caused by lowering birth rates and thus higher taxes. Now, all those above doesn't sound ideal. I don't picture myself living in Singapore in the future. I just cannot imagine brining out my son or daughter in such a place! No way that is going to happen! As soon-to-be-parents, we are advised not to be selfish. Bring up your children in a better environment free from the selfish acts of human beings and their so-called modernisation activities! All those benefit no one in the long run! Yes, the rich gets richer but they all forgot one thing. Just like Yin & Yang, there has to be a balance in this world. Once the balance is out, everything falls apart. Which is what is happening now. Remember, sometimes the best things in life really is for free. -
What will happen to our money in CPF if we emigrate ?
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Nothing actually....if you remain a PR...Originally posted by Trump_Card:What will happen to our money in CPF if we emigrate ?
If you choose to take up citizenship, the you have to throw the Sillypore passport into the Sillypore river, or should I say stream....as compared to river Nile...
In which case you will have to renounce your Cpf....then they make you go through some exit interview, which you have to give politically correct answers....so that it will expedite your 100% CPF withdrawal in the form of a cheque from DBS
But better hurry up, cause we won't know what new policies they will come up next, like telling ex-citizens that they have to leave some portion with them for 10 years or something to that effect. You notice how policies change very subtly here so that people here don't make alot of noise, some noise for sure but you notice how people here quienten down after 1 or 2 years....
You see this coming true with them taking part of your cpf for annuities and you have no say So what's next?
We used to make noise about transport hike etc so what happened? get the drift?
Now they have expanded the erp catchment area, in 5-10 years they will implement GPS ERP...so no need for gantries, each vehicle will have a transponder so if you go to certain GPS coordinates in CBD...minus $1...kekek
So what's to stop them from freezing your cpf...better act fast -
if you are poor you are screwed, where ever you are.
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yeah but the poor are screwed more hereOriginally posted by dragg:if you are poor you are screwed, where ever you are. -
not entirely true....those who are truly poor does get help from the govt just that u have to prove ur thatOriginally posted by Coquitlam:yeah but the poor are screwed more here -
PR in Spore is not interested to become citizen. Take a look at 150000 local in other countries either working or studying. What are the chances of them
coming back? -
They just use this place as a stepping stone.Originally posted by will4:PR in Spore is not interested to become citizen. Take a look at 150000 local in other countries either working or studying. What are the chances of them
coming back? -
Yup....actually...to many of us, Sillypore is just a stepping stone....call it a hotel...a place where you train yourself, gain some experience and then move on to a more stable country and have a brighter future.....Originally posted by Lim Wei Ming:They just use this place as a stepping stone.
Of course not all will treat Sillypore as a hotel....but that's all right....even if 10% of the population moves on and emigrate....its a good sign that's 400,000 persons......wonderful....
Emigration is never easy as many of us have found out but its sure worth the pain...like they say, no pain, no gain.... -
Will this compulsory annuity turned many more local to migrate to other countries?
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Read carefully, you grass-feeding herbivore:Originally posted by Gazelle:a) Job market in Singapore is not stagnating it is growing or else why would singapore government is consider increasing the population to 6m?
b) If you are untalented, you will not make it in anywhere you go and furthermore I cant think of a country that will accept immigrant without talent, unless you have $$
c) There will always be rich and poor people in every country and being poor doesnt mean you are 2nd class citizen because you are entitled to same rights, votes, freedom, and laws that govern this country.
a)Singapore has limited job opportunities, unless you are a talent, don't bother hanging around in Singapore. This has been verified by the government when it keeps asking Singaporeans to go be global entrepreneurs. If you are a university graduate and yet want to be a sanitary specialist in Singapore, be my guest.
b)An untalented person may still be a qualified professional which is much wanted by another country. However, such untalented people are still second-class citizens in the new country.
c)Being discriminated in job selection just because you are of a different race, from a different country or just didn't qualify to be a president's scholar doesn't mean you are a second class citizen, yeah right. -
glad you finally found out that it is not easy, but you felt the pain?Originally posted by Coquitlam:Yup....actually...to many of us, Sillypore is just a stepping stone....call it a hotel...a place where you train yourself, gain some experience and then move on to a more stable country and have a brighter future.....
Of course not all will treat Sillypore as a hotel....but that's all right....even if 10% of the population moves on and emigrate....its a good sign that's 400,000 persons......wonderful....
Emigration is never easy as many of us have found out but its sure worth the pain...like they say, no pain, no gain....
We felt the earthquake from Indonesia the last two days, we don't see people leaving the country because it is not stable. In the meantime, expats coming in are complaining that there is no place in the American School, the UWC, the Australia Schools, ....for their children, and 70% of the Canadian School are Korean...I am not complaining, my house is getting good rental.
It is a fact that many people are making it in Singapore, and we really need sillyporean like you who think singapore is not stable to leave, to make way for those who want to make it here.
are you still feeling the pain? guess you will not feel pain only when Singapore sink, but you have to wait long long, for we are singing now, not sinking. -
some more other country can not find singapore food eg. mee rebus, mee soto, mee siam mai hum, char koay teow, laksa, satay, prawn mee, roti prata, bak kut teh, goh hiong, hor fun, nasi briyani, rojak.......Originally posted by kramnave:Best is stay here because of family and friends. The jokes you tell your buddy and your buddy tell you...nobody else outside singpapore can understand...priceless -
the foreigners are paying sodiehard's retirement through rental
so this is wat happens, FT come here and screw some singaporeans out of jobs and some singaporeans screw the FTs by demanding high rentals. some singaporeans go screwed (-), some singaporeans gain (+). So on balance, FT balance out because they screwed some singaporeans and got screwed also by some singaporeans, the singaporeans (+) who collect rental indirectly screw singaporeans (-) who got kicked out by the FT.
which side are you now. The one who got screwed or the one who screw others ? -
why Indians and PRC are prefered over locals? simple. their home countries are booming and MNCs, foreign banks etc would like them to tap into their home markets in the future. -
hello, I don't screw anybody directly or indirectly. May be I started life earlier, being older than some of you, may be my investment policy was right, I bought property instead of stock and shares, ..Originally posted by Daddy!!:the foreigners are paying sodiehard's retirement through rental
so this is wat happens, FT come here and screw some singaporeans out of jobs and some singaporeans screw the FTs by demanding high rentals. some singaporeans go screwed (-), some singaporeans gain (+). So on balance, FT balance out because they screwed some singaporeans and got screwed also by some singaporeans, the singaporeans (+) who collect rental indirectly screw singaporeans (-) who got kicked out by the FT.
which side are you now. The one who got screwed or the one who screw others ?
and I definitely din't save up to migrate, thinking that it is brighter out there, to me, where I build where I want to be, my future is brighter because I work on it ....
I work hard, and my wife work with me as a family so we can pool our resources together to buy house, my parents was kind to let use live with them when we were tight on cash. We went on holidays only as extension of business trip, ....I came a long way to own a house for rent.
The rental we collected since 1998 was not even enough to pay for a fraction of the interest instalment, it is only since the beginning of this year that thing was turning for the better. Compared to rentals in other major cities such as HK, Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing, Shanghai, Mumbai, ... rentals in Singapore is still cheap, not to mention New York or London; in terms of return on investment, buying property for rent is still only slightly better than putting your money in FD. What is "high rentals"? and who is demanding? If there is no demand in the market for rented properties, there would be no higher rental, the landlord don't and cannot demand.
The reality is this, more FT would come in if rentals were cheap, and if rentals are cheap, more FT would be able to accept cheaper salary, and kick out more locals. If you are screwed, you are screwed, whichever way you look at it.
and watch out, if anybody think they are screwed, they are probably screwing themselves.
I am on my side, I don't screw around.