emigration is not easy
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If you go to Sydney, you are 1st class citizen
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fymk, stop blowing your own trumpet and stop telling lies lah...we all know your very sucessful and touching story already.Originally posted by fymk:My point exactly to Gazelle. I recalled he just said that he went to Australia for a holiday and his stupid fiasco picking up some first class ticket stub to show everyone he went first class to Europe.
I stayed in Australia overseas for my degree after poly. Decided to go back to Singapore because evidently I thought it was home ,although my university offered me a scholarship to continue my studies. Returned to Australia eventually after I got permanent residency - have not regretted since.
fake ticket? You want to take the gazelle challenge? or are you just good for bed time story telling?
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Frankly if you didn't start on the racist crap, I won't be saying anything. Ah Gazelle Gazelle , you are so funny when you get stirred.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, stop give us all that stupid crap about free education, health and bla bla bla in Australia lah. Singaporeans are knowledgeable and well traveled enough to know that the reason you get them" free" is because you are paying taxes through your nose unless you are a beach bum living on welfare.
And just because your career didnÂ’t take off in Singapore that doesnÂ’t mean that Singapore is a lousy country. If you say its lousy, then why so many people are visting this tiny red dot?
And just because you are living in Australia that doesnÂ’t make you are more knowledgeable person. If you want to promote australia, please come out with something new lah...and not the usually free education welfare etc..we already know it is not free.
I left Singapore because it did nothing for my career. True that and I won't deny it. I hate that my own home country doesn't give a damn while my adopted home country nurtures me even though I am just an asian migrant. Funny since you like to call my adopted country racist when it is actually giving me opportunities instead of suppressing me.
Did I say free education? I said free healthcare. Do not go twisting my words. My education is now free because I am sponsored by an agency. So there you go.
Singapore -....you guys need tourists right for the tourism industry? It is and will always be my homeland, no matter what . Do you think I want to see Singapore go down in the gutters? No. I still tell my australian and american friends to visit Singapore instead of hongkong . Cheap food cheap shopping, great holiday destination.
The reason why you are so fed up is because you really have no right to criticise when you only went there for a holiday or read some media crap. One thing you have to learn is that Australian media is not like Singaporean media- they can sensationalize things . Free speech. -
I lived in Sydney for a year. Not a good impression. Too messy , too chaotic .Originally posted by kramnave:If you go to Sydney, you are 1st class citizen i think there are gonna be more asians than caucasians there eventually and signs are very very strong.
I lived in Melbourne for 4 years. Melbourne is actually the base I work off from. Alot of asians in melbourne. Hell the Melbourne CBD looks like orchard road with a bit more ang moh amongst the asians. Melbourne public transport is also best in Australia with its tram.
I lived in Canberra for more than 1.5 years...boring as hell.
Now I am going to Brisbane because I got a better offer to further my studies through sponsorship.
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What lies? Why should I? I didn't say I am very successful, did I? I just said Australia nurtured me. Why do you think I have not been on for a while til now? I've been busy ....now I am not that busy because I am moving again.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, stop blowing your own trumpet and stop telling lies lah...we all know your very sucessful and touching story already.
fake ticket? You want to take the gazelle challenge? or are you just good for bed time story telling?
Gary Gary .....If I want to tell lies , it will be claiming that I have some sunshine coast home while telling people I hate Australia.
As for first class airtickets, you could easily censor the name on that ticket under privacy and claim it is yours. Laffable. Want me to show you a first class SIA/Qantas ticket? Can ask my friend for them. She is the rich one not me. I only take economy class or business class upgrade through frequent flyer (aka free upgrade). I can also censor the name and then say it is mine. How about that?
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fymk stop being poser lah....we all know you have been fabricating and sugar coating a bunch of lies and fairytale story just to glorify your success in Australia. Lets be honest, you are just a bloody nurse living in australia, so stop speaking like you are some kind of doctor or research scientist making big bucks living in the city.Originally posted by fymk:What lies? Why should I? I didn't say I am very successful, did I? I just said Australia nurtured me. Why do you think I have not been on for a while til now? I've been busy ....now I am not that busy because I am moving again.
Gary Gary .....If I want to tell lies , it will be claiming that I have some sunshine coast home while telling people I hate Australia.
As for first class airtickets, you could easily censor the name on that ticket under privacy and claim it is yours. Laffable. Want me to show you a first class SIA/Qantas ticket? Can ask my friend for them. She is the rich one not me. I can also censor the name and then say it is mine. How about that?
Now that would be lying.
You are telling me that your parents invested your money you earn since you are 15, mind tell us what sort of job you were doing back then and wat sort of investment? Nightclub or TOTO maybe?? working partime when you are in school for 5 to 6 years can make enough money to buy CBD apartment in australia? Please lah..you think we are 3 years old isit? more like a bloody CBD dumpshack in Australia..
OK loh..go look for your rich friend show us some of her first class ticket. Easy right? then do it loh... -
Chill guys..whether in Au or Sg, happy can already.
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fymk, are you still schooling?
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Read the damned thread.Originally posted by Daddy!!:fymk, are you still schooling?
have u seen any asians or singaporeans got into troubles while in australia?
You're just another one who doesn't read carefully.
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HAHAHAHA . And you call yourself an executive or a sales manager or whatever.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk stop being poser lah....we all know you have been fabricating and sugar coating a bunch of lies and fairytale story just to glorify your success in Australia. Lets be honest, you are just a bloody nurse living in australia, so stop speaking like you are some kind of doctor or research scientist making big bucks living in the city.
You are telling me that your parents invested your money you earn since you are 15, mind tell us what sort of job you were doing back then and wat sort of investment? Nightclub or TOTO maybe?? working partime when you are in school for 5 to 6 years can make enough money to buy CBD apartment in australia? Please lah..you think we are 3 years old isit? more like a bloody CBD dumpshack in Australia..
OK loh..go look for your rich friend show us some of her first class ticket. Easy right? then do it loh...
I worked as a cashier which earned me around 800 dollars-900 dollars back per month then in a japanese department store then I did freelance webprogramming around 20 in 2 years....3rd year I reduced in poly because of the finals. I am just presenting to you a nice estimate of what happens to my money plus I did not include my own savings.
1/2 to 2/3rds of my salary went to parents.
So count that 400*5*12 on average (we have not even factor in public holidays I had to work while I was a cashier) = 24000+ freelance web programming 25000 = $ 49000.
Cumulative share buying by my parents- remember Australia money = Singapore money at one stage - don't ask me what stocks they got but I know they bought foreign shares at that stage- I don't know and I didn't care because they told me I had to pay for my "rent" in their place until I became 22 years old. Then they open the books and show me.
PLUS when I returned to Singapore - they also took half of my salary again for 2-3 years - 700*3*12 = 25200 in total. University study in Australia - paid by University scholarship and my part-time work which I got from university - about my full tuition fee . My survival fees in Australia was 24k including rent - so my dad advanced the money while my money was locked up in shares.
Now let's calculate 49000+25200 -24000= 50200- approximate without counting cumulative profits from the shares they held in my name since I was 15. Do the math yourself. Holding the right shares for 8 years can double up . That is where I got my deposit for my apartment and the bank is very willing to consider mortgaging . That is easily to half the value of my apartment. That is not counting money I saved myself.
Do everyone have to be a nightclub hostess to save that much? No. I don't splash it on fancy second hand audis .
So what if I was a bloody nurse? Do I really need a fancy title ? They pay damn well for nurses because they have a shortage. Casuals pay 1.5 times more. Public holidays - they pay 1.5 to double or triple up for christmas. Weekends are 1.5 times plus night shift allowances. So if you work casual on weekend which lands on public holidays the pay can easily go up to 3 times or 3.5 times the hourly rate plus nightshift allowance is also doubled up . You think Australia pay their nurses like Singapore - just one set salary? Wrong.
CBD dumpshack? Hahha if you like to think so. Banks don't lend money if it is too risky for them and they cannot recover the costs . I am surprised a so-called experienced person like you won't know about that simple fact. It is small like a 3 room HDB flat . It was new when I got it. So what? Still a piece of asset - has its own value when I rent it out after my sibling moves out. I never said it was a penthouse or a mansion.
I am no longer a nurse. If I was , I would be in Melbourne. You could ask the admin to find out where my ip is rooted in mostly . I will have a melbourne connection ip because of my apartment there and I do fly back about 6 times or more per year from Canberra. Why should I lie when I know sgforumners irl in melbourne who can take apart my words easily? -
The ones who expect to be treated as greater than everyone else because their daddy owns this and that. The ones who ask daddy for handouts if they want to go partying or do drugs/alcohol . Alot of young students get mixed up with illicit drugs or alcohol bingeing. That I am not denying.Originally posted by Daddy!!:fymk, are you still schooling?
have u seen any asians or singaporeans got into troubles while in australia?
My friends who fairly recently migrated to Melbourne - no troubles so far, they just grumble about the taxes and rentals being high when they first came . Now they settled in. One or two want to go back home because they want be with family. Got one who did complain about the way her colleagues treated her - but I think she is starting to fit in so no more complaints.
I did have trouble before because of work politics and different work culture. I learnt the way of diplomacy in order to survive politics and I am now ok. There will be always problems in Australia - it is not always smoothsailing . It is how much determination and persistance you want to put in. I just pick myself up and move on. Fall again - pick up and move on. Fall again- pick up and move on.
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Local should take this opportunity to buy houses in US especially for those planning to migrate there.
http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsm/071015/275c16dc51594c7885a84f13aac03a8d.html?.v=1&.pf=real-estate -
Will4, it really depends on where you invest lah..I think real estate in Boston and maybe florida might still be worth considering. But as for mass "subprime"property, I will definitely stay away for now until we are clearer about the future of US$ and the US economy.Originally posted by will4:Local should take this opportunity to buy houses in US especially for those planning to migrate there.
http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsm/071015/275c16dc51594c7885a84f13aac03a8d.html?.v=1&.pf=real-estate
US economy seems to be caught in a terrible situation at the moment. On one hand, they are experiencing high inflation due to oil and other stuffs and but they are unable to increase the interest rate due to the subprime problem and with weakening of dollar (now at 1997 level) it will give further headach to inflation.
I am not sure if you belong to the bullish or bearish camp, but I am quite certain that things is going to get alot worst before it gets better. Now is probably the best time to accumulate your liquid asset and wait for the big fall in global economy, then you can go shopping.
btw, below is a report taken from yesterdays' BT.
US housing slump may extend into 2009
There's a 50 to 60% chance of a recession as consumers curb spending: analyst
By JOHN F WASIK
(CHICAGO) Ivy Zelman's view of the US housing market is gloomy, but it's probably the most realistic.
A veteran Wall Street analyst, Zelman, chief executive of the research firm Zelman & Associates, says it's unlikely the US housing market will recover before 2009, adding there's a '50 to 60 per cent chance of a recession', as the housing slump curbs consumer spending.
Ms Zelman paints a much darker picture than Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, who said last week that housing will be a 'significant drag' on the economy into next year.
When you consider the huge home inventories and tight-as-a-drum mortgage restrictions, it's easy to conclude that the housing slump could extend well past 2008. Unless financing loosens up and buyers return, her prophecy will become a reality.
'I've never seen the market as bad as this,' Ms Zelman said. 'And it could get worse. The home-price decline could range from 16 per cent to 22 per cent.'
Monitoring inventory, builder incentives and demand, Ms Zelman is also watching adjustable-rate mortgage resets. Homeowners with these loans will automatically face higher monthly payments that they may not be able to afford, another trigger for foreclosures or sales. Some US$500 billion of these loans will re-adjust through 2008, Ms Zelman says.
While foreclosures have declined somewhat from August to September, they still doubled from a year ago, according to RealtyTrac Inc, which monitors the housing market. Since more homes are coming on the market, Ms Zelman says that will only add to the misery.
'These are the worst inventories we've seen as a nation,' she says. Ms Zelman originally presented her report Oct 10 to the Home Improvement Research Institute, a Tampa, Florida-based trade group.
Ms Zelman's words carry some weight because she was one of the few major Wall Street analysts to warn of a housing decline months before it began late last year.
She was alarmed that home prices far outpaced personal-income increases during the boom, which is how the economic disconnect began. A bubble created artificially high demand that had to deflate sometime. Now economists and analysts are trying to assess the collateral damage of the bust and sub-prime mortgage meltdown.
Meanwhile, builders are stuck with thousands of new homes they can't sell and potential buyers are cancelling in droves or are unable to get a mortgage. Housing starts fell to a 14-year low in September.
Mass psychology
'Builders are desperate now and blowing through inventory,' says Ms Zelman of homebuilders who are doing anything they can to sell homes. 'Their revenues are shrinking so fast, they can't keep up.' The mass psychology that amplifies and spreads the angst of home sellers will put a brake on overall consumer spending, Ms Zelman predicts.
'Some 74 per cent of consumer expenditures are correlated to housing. I don't think the consumer will hold up. They will cut back on things like buying cars and vacations.'
While Ms Zelman forecasts that sales will drop for the next two years, she isn't as optimistic on home prices, which she says may continue falling until 2010 or 2011.
'We'd be better off if prices corrected all at once. It will get worse before it gets better.' Places where sales were strongest and speculators were most active before the bust will be bedevilled by high home inventories for more than a year.
Not every market will get pummelled, though. Manhattan seems to be holding up for certain kinds of housing. Prices of co-op apartments with four bedrooms or more, for example, rose 19 per cent in the third quarter from a year earlier.
'Boston is pretty moderate in terms of risk,' says Mike Ela, president of the service. 'Lenders have pulled back aggressively.'
Don't expect to land properties at bargain-basement prices. One assumption is that the best values will be in areas glutted with properties. Yet many sellers will be holding out for prices that they saw at the peak of the boom. Motivated property owners, though, may be willing to deal.
If you are buying a second home or investment properties, keep in mind that your credit record should be up-to-date. You may also find it easier dealing with institutions that sell 'real-estate-owned' homes, or properties that went into foreclosure.
Mr Ela, who has 'low-ball offers' pending on two bank-owned properties, prefers dealing with institutions 'because you're not dealing with the emotion of the seller. It won't take too long to get a decision.'
Because lending standards have tightened, if there are any errors on your credit report that show missed payments or outstanding balances, you should get them corrected.
Don't open any new lines you won't use and pay your bills on time. These variables will affect your score and may disqualify you from obtaining financing.
Keep in mind that job growth and consumer spending bear close scrutiny. If Ms Zelman is right about a recession coming, then prices may fall more, plunging the housing market into an even sorrier state. -- Bloomberg -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Actually now's the time to conserve all your cash and not buy. When the market crashes - you go in and swoop on foreign investors who mortgaged at 80% . Recession , job security and people coping with the losses as well as the bank calling in payments - will make it easier to swoop for cheaper property prices.
Will4, it really depends on where you invest lah..I think real estate in Boston and maybe florida might still be worth considering. But as for mass "subprime"property, I will definitely stay away for now until we are clearer about the future of US$ and the US economy.
US economy seems to be caught in a terrible situation at the moment. On one hand, they are experiencing high inflation due to oil and other stuffs and but they are unable to increase the interest rate due to the subprime problem and with weakening of dollar (now at 1997 level) it will give further headach to inflation.
I am not sure if you belong to the bullish or bearish camp, but I am quite certain that things is going to get alot worst before it gets better. Now is probably the best time to accumulate your liquid asset and wait for the big fall in global economy, then you can go shopping.
btw, below is a report taken from yesterdays' BT.
[b]US housing slump may extend into 2009
There's a 50 to 60% chance of a recession as consumers curb spending: analyst
By JOHN F WASIK
(CHICAGO) Ivy Zelman's view of the US housing market is gloomy, but it's probably the most realistic.
A veteran Wall Street analyst, Zelman, chief executive of the research firm Zelman & Associates, says it's unlikely the US housing market will recover before 2009, adding there's a '50 to 60 per cent chance of a recession', as the housing slump curbs consumer spending.
Ms Zelman paints a much darker picture than Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, who said last week that housing will be a 'significant drag' on the economy into next year.
When you consider the huge home inventories and tight-as-a-drum mortgage restrictions, it's easy to conclude that the housing slump could extend well past 2008. Unless financing loosens up and buyers return, her prophecy will become a reality.
'I've never seen the market as bad as this,' Ms Zelman said. 'And it could get worse. The home-price decline could range from 16 per cent to 22 per cent.'
Monitoring inventory, builder incentives and demand, Ms Zelman is also watching adjustable-rate mortgage resets. Homeowners with these loans will automatically face higher monthly payments that they may not be able to afford, another trigger for foreclosures or sales. Some US$500 billion of these loans will re-adjust through 2008, Ms Zelman says.
While foreclosures have declined somewhat from August to September, they still doubled from a year ago, according to RealtyTrac Inc, which monitors the housing market. Since more homes are coming on the market, Ms Zelman says that will only add to the misery.
'These are the worst inventories we've seen as a nation,' she says. Ms Zelman originally presented her report Oct 10 to the Home Improvement Research Institute, a Tampa, Florida-based trade group.
Ms Zelman's words carry some weight because she was one of the few major Wall Street analysts to warn of a housing decline months before it began late last year.
She was alarmed that home prices far outpaced personal-income increases during the boom, which is how the economic disconnect began. A bubble created artificially high demand that had to deflate sometime. Now economists and analysts are trying to assess the collateral damage of the bust and sub-prime mortgage meltdown.
Meanwhile, builders are stuck with thousands of new homes they can't sell and potential buyers are cancelling in droves or are unable to get a mortgage. Housing starts fell to a 14-year low in September.
Mass psychology
'Builders are desperate now and blowing through inventory,' says Ms Zelman of homebuilders who are doing anything they can to sell homes. 'Their revenues are shrinking so fast, they can't keep up.' The mass psychology that amplifies and spreads the angst of home sellers will put a brake on overall consumer spending, Ms Zelman predicts.
'Some 74 per cent of consumer expenditures are correlated to housing. I don't think the consumer will hold up. They will cut back on things like buying cars and vacations.'
While Ms Zelman forecasts that sales will drop for the next two years, she isn't as optimistic on home prices, which she says may continue falling until 2010 or 2011.
'We'd be better off if prices corrected all at once. It will get worse before it gets better.' Places where sales were strongest and speculators were most active before the bust will be bedevilled by high home inventories for more than a year.
Not every market will get pummelled, though. Manhattan seems to be holding up for certain kinds of housing. Prices of co-op apartments with four bedrooms or more, for example, rose 19 per cent in the third quarter from a year earlier.
'Boston is pretty moderate in terms of risk,' says Mike Ela, president of the service. 'Lenders have pulled back aggressively.'
Don't expect to land properties at bargain-basement prices. One assumption is that the best values will be in areas glutted with properties. Yet many sellers will be holding out for prices that they saw at the peak of the boom. Motivated property owners, though, may be willing to deal.
If you are buying a second home or investment properties, keep in mind that your credit record should be up-to-date. You may also find it easier dealing with institutions that sell 'real-estate-owned' homes, or properties that went into foreclosure.
Mr Ela, who has 'low-ball offers' pending on two bank-owned properties, prefers dealing with institutions 'because you're not dealing with the emotion of the seller. It won't take too long to get a decision.'
Because lending standards have tightened, if there are any errors on your credit report that show missed payments or outstanding balances, you should get them corrected.
Don't open any new lines you won't use and pay your bills on time. These variables will affect your score and may disqualify you from obtaining financing.
Keep in mind that job growth and consumer spending bear close scrutiny. If Ms Zelman is right about a recession coming, then prices may fall more, plunging the housing market into an even sorrier state. -- Bloomberg[/b] -
precisely. since she's been working there for years, she must have seen many things. so my question is totally relevant. Did she see any asians or singaporeans got into troubles while living/working in australia?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Read the damned thread.
You're just another one who doesn't read carefully.
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I believe any immigrant group shre got some black sheep.Originally posted by Daddy!!:precisely. since she's been working there for years, she must have seen many things. so my question is totally relevant. Did she see any asians or singaporeans got into troubles while living/working in australia? -
exactly. depends on some other personal factors which one will not know till one tries it out there. for instance, if one has a look that is somehow turns the whites off, one should just stay out! and vice versa. ha ha!Originally posted by will4:I believe any immigrant group shre got some black sheep.
Oh yes, Gays should avoid singapore and go to australia which is certainly more welcoming. i know a few gays. they are nice people but to live with them can be a challenge.
read below.
Singapore retains its gay sex ban
PM Lee said he wanted Singapore to remain conservative
Singapore's parliament has voted against a proposal to decriminalise sex between men, despite receiving a petition signed by thousands of people.
The plan was part of a wider reform of sex laws, many dating from the British colonial era half a century ago.
The chamber passed a bill legalising oral and anal sex for the first time, but only between heterosexuals.
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said the government did not consider gays to be a minority with minority rights.
In a rare speech to parliament, he said Singapore was a conservative society, and he wanted to keep it so.
Tuesday's vote means Singapore's anti-gay law 377A remains, although prosecutions are rare.
Under the legislation, a man caught committing an act of "gross indecency" with another man could be jailed for up to two years. -
was having a holiday in Europe a fews months back with a buddy of mine who have been living in australia since childhood days. He told me that he was surprise that throughout our 2 weeks in Europe, we didnt hear any racist remarks, because in australia, that is like "common" thing you have to live with.Originally posted by will4:I believe any immigrant group shre got some black sheep. -
if you think your son is a gay, go for the ang moh countries lar. -
the reason is of cos there are lots more asians in australia relatively speaking.Originally posted by Gazelle:was having a holiday in Europe a fews months back with a buddy of mine who have been living in australia since childhood days. He told me that he was surprise that throughout our 2 weeks in Europe, we didnt hear any racist remarks, because in australia, that is like "common" thing you have to live with. -
even EU is looking for skilled immigrants due to business demands for Indians and PRC chinese
EU 'Blue Card' to target skilled
Immigrants from China, Russia and Ghana in Germany after citizenship ceremony
There are fears the plan could lead to a brain drain from poorer nations
The European Commission has unveiled a Blue Card for skilled immigrants, based on the US Green Card.
The plan would allow suitably qualified people and their families to live and work within the European Union.
The EU says it needs 20m skilled workers over the next two decades, and is very short of expertise in engineering and computer technology.
The scheme, which is more restrictive than the US Green Card, would need the approval of all 27 EU member states.
Correspondents say another aim of the plan is to reverse a current trend under which skilled migrants, mostly from Asia and Africa, emigrate to the US to find work.
'Centralisation too far'
The BBC's Mark Mardell in Brussels says the proposal is controversial and some countries are sure to oppose it.
Critics also fear that Europe's attempt to take the best and leave the rest will only encourage a brain-drain from poorer nations.
The UK, Ireland and Denmark could opt out, but the other EU members will have to take part.
Franco Frattini (L) and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso in Strasbourg, France, on 23 October 2007
Blue Card v Green Card
EU pins hopes on 'blue card'
UK ministers say they are studying it, but our correspondent says they are not keen on the card, preferring to develop an Australian-style points system.
Unveiled at the European Parliament in Strasbourg on Tuesday afternoon, the Blue Card would enable holders and their families to live, work and travel within the EU.
To be eligible, new immigrants would need to show a recognised diploma and have at least three years professional experience.
They would also need the offer of a job, for a minimum one-year contract, which could not be filled by an EU citizen.
European Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini said: "This is not an 'open doors' policy."
"If a given member-state needs engineers or doctors, it has to decide how many, and then I will provide a state with a common procedure," he added.
But some politicians in the Netherlands and Germany are hostile and the Austrian government has condemned the plan as "a centralisation too far".
Across Europe there is a real tension between politicians, who know voters are worried about immigration, and businesses demanding graduates from India and China, our correspondent says. -
Didn't you see my earlier post?Originally posted by Daddy!!:precisely. since she's been working there for years, she must have seen many things. so my question is totally relevant. Did she see any asians or singaporeans got into troubles while living/working in australia?
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Uh huh. Just shows how narrow minded some are. Gays are still people. What they do in their own time is their business and I don't see why their personal choices should be criminalised. Better they make their choices and be happy than having some unhappy guy/girl in some legitimate marriage he does not care for.Originally posted by Daddy!!:if you think your son is a gay, go for the ang moh countries lar.
There are alot of gay men and women in Australia who are law abiding citizens. They pay their taxes like everyone else and they work like everyone else.
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you have just proven him right. You are living in angmoh country and you view them as a tax payer and normal human being.Originally posted by fymk:Uh huh. Just shows how narrow minded some are. Gays are still people. What they do in their own time is their business and I don't see why their personal choices should be criminalised. Better they make their choices and be happy than having some unhappy guy/girl in some legitimate marriage he does not care for.
There are alot of gay men and women in Australia who are law abiding citizens. They pay their taxes like everyone else and they work like everyone else.
So think again before you start opening your big gap. -
In the old days, before Australia became so metropolitan - yes your friend will get racist comments from his primary school days or high school - kids can be cruel. I have not heard any of my australian asian friends complain about anything and those were born and bred in Australia . If they hear disparaging remarks - they do speak up. So one friend of yours does not count for anything.Originally posted by Gazelle:was having a holiday in Europe a fews months back with a buddy of mine who have been living in australia since childhood days. He told me that he was surprise that throughout our 2 weeks in Europe, we didnt hear any racist remarks, because in australia, that is like "common" thing you have to live with.
Yes I heard racist remarks from individuals , not the whole community , not denying it but I tell the person off if it is directed at me and sometimes others will do that.
It is like Singapore. Chinese majority - I was part of the majority so I don't get racist remarks. But I heard racist remarks about the minority groups. So tell me where in the world don't you hear racist remarks . Want to be comfortable - stay in Singapore or go to China - you will be a majority there.