The opposition can take over running Singapore any time.
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If opposition is too weak or slow moving, is it time to send in some challengers to power struggle from within to get the next better player?
I mean would this help speed things up?
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True, the police made a full investigation and cleared him. The police are responsible for law and order in the vicinity of the nomination centre. They found James Gomez not to be drunk and disorderly, not playing any musical instruments, not in possession of any prohibited material or weapons, not causing a disturbance, not loitering, not littering. Yes they got nothing against him.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:now that's a small step forward, ask when you do not know. do not buy the propaganda and do not believe the delusions in your head.
The police made a full investigation, viewed the video tapes, interviewed the people involved and found nothing to go on. Go with facts, not propaganda and delusions in your own head.
Nomination procedures is not in the purview of the police. They don't care if Gomez submitted his papers or not.
So please don't repeatedly wave the "police got nothing on him" like a trump card. It does not mean anything.
A fraudster, who's plan is upset by the savvy victim, and have not committed the fraud, is no less a fraud.
Lets go back to the subject.
Yes, it is correct that LTK would get an appropriate person to run a nuclear reactor. Therefore he would get the right people for his government, too.
He, got James Gomez, who is a political analyst (if I am not wong) based in Switzerland. Anyway he is someone who uses his brains alot for political reasonings. LTK made an appropriate choice, so it seems.
But Gomez is some one who, deliberately inserted the forms into an envelope, and " in the heat of the hustings forgot about it".
To insert the forms into an envelope requires eye and hand coordination, and a definite effort. He did not casually chuck the forms into his bag while in conversation with another. If it were so, then it is possible to not remember the action. You saw his actions too. He deliberately inserted the forms into an envelope, press the flap back, and put the envelope into his bag.
Such a man could forget such actions.
LTH took such a man. That is the issue here.
The opposition could run the government as well as the PAP, and the opposition could just as well hire good people, is your fallacy and delusion.
Another example of opposition taking on the wrong people, is that of Mr Chiam See Tong.
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I am just waiting for these learned folks like Andrew and Robert to stand for elections........ -
trust me, they will be charged for defamation the moment they open their mouth..Originally posted by Chin Eng: I am just waiting for these learned folks like Andrew and Robert to stand for elections........
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Aiyo, any idiot can run a government (look at Mugabe of Zimbabwe), but running it well is not easy.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Let's say Mr. Low Thia Khiang becomes Prime Minister and Ms Sylvia Lim becomes 2nd Prime Minister and being wise people and knowing that they do not know much about central bank operations, they than search far and wide for a candidate to be in charge of the central bank to run the day to day operations.
Even better, they form a central bank committee made up or honorable people and appoint one of them to be the chairman.
You think that they cannot find people like that to run the central bank?
In the same way, they can do it for every ministry.
Don't be stupid people and buy the propaganda that without those dishonorable dictators Singapore cannot run.
With full respect to MP Low and NMP Lim, I'm sure they can do the job, not only because they have the passion and skills, but they'll have an experienced civil service to assist them. The question for me, then, is "will a civil service that is synonymous with the PAP be able to work with a non PAP ruling party?"
In short, the ability of anyone to run the govt is not so much in doubt as in the ability of those non-PAP ministers to work with the PAP-aligned civil service. -
Which brings to mind the idea that if another party comes to power and the Civil Service refuses to cooperate with them, that will be seen to be obstruction of a legally elected government of Singapore. Plain and simple.
You're a civil servant, it's your task to serve whichever party is in power. Leave your political affiliations at the door and be a professional bureaucrat.
If there are people in the Civil Service that tries to obstruct the political role of the government, then all I can say is for those civil servants involved to be charged with dereliction of duty. Maybe the instigator should be held for questioning as well. -
Hi,Originally posted by mancha:True, the police made a full investigation and cleared him. The police are responsible for law and order in the vicinity of the nomination centre. They found James Gomez not to be drunk and disorderly, not playing any musical instruments, not in possession of any prohibited material or weapons, not causing a disturbance, not loitering, not littering. Yes they got nothing against him.
Nomination procedures is not in the purview of the police. They don't care if Gomez submitted his papers or not.
So please don't repeatedly wave the "police got nothing on him" like a trump card. It does not mean anything.
A fraudster, who's plan is upset by the savvy victim, and have not committed the fraud, is no less a fraud.
Lets go back to the subject.
Yes, it is correct that LTK would get an appropriate person to run a nuclear reactor. Therefore he would get the right people for his government, too.
He, got James Gomez, who is a political analyst (if I am not wong) based in Switzerland. Anyway he is someone who uses his brains alot for political reasonings. LTK made an appropriate choice, so it seems.
But Gomez is some one who, deliberately inserted the forms into an envelope, and " in the heat of the hustings forgot about it".
To insert the forms into an envelope requires eye and hand coordination, and a definite effort. He did not casually chuck the forms into his bag while in conversation with another. If it were so, then it is possible to not remember the action. You saw his actions too. He deliberately inserted the forms into an envelope, press the flap back, and put the envelope into his bag.
Such a man could forget such actions.
LTH took such a man. That is the issue here.
The opposition could run the government as well as the PAP, and the opposition could just as well hire good people, is your fallacy and delusion.
Another example of opposition taking on the wrong people, is that of Mr Chiam See Tong.
If the opposition can't handle hiring people at party level, how would they fare at national level?
While there is no doubt that a mistake is a mistake, I personally think the above statements are carried a fine distance.
I have encountered people unable to remember if they already had lunch or dinner. A meal takes more time than stuffing a document into a bag. Virtually all these people that I came across were higher-level people whose jobs require high mental capacity.
Nobility is also measured in terms of whether a person knows he is in the wrong; as far as I remember your subject of mention did.
In terms of not, I would be more appalled at the PAP MP whose values her daughter inherited contained streaks of cruel arrogance and mockery, unless someone tells me that she did not gain any traits from her parent, which I find hard to believe especially after the u-turn on apologies.
I have respect for the PAP to an extent and would also find it unbelievable that they take in a candidate and MP who would respond as such.
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that should be fun.... andrew will rise up and call everyone else delusional.Originally posted by Gazelle:trust me, they will be charged for defamation the moment they open their mouth.. -
That is the most important point... otherwise you expect people to trust you? Go with you opinions? What if you are an escapee from IMH?Originally posted by mancha:True, the police made a full investigation and cleared him.
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I think so far you are only one of the few that I call delusional... because base on what you wrote, you areOriginally posted by Chin Eng:that should be fun.... andrew will rise up and call everyone else delusional. -
that is why you are an ass sniffer? You are constantly consumed with fear?Originally posted by Gazelle:trust me, they will be charged for defamation the moment they open their mouth.. -
Just like if the ministers are corrupt, you charge them... not pay them obscene amount of money from the public coffers. If people extort from you, you charge them, not pay them!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Which brings to mind the idea that if another party comes to power and the Civil Service refuses to cooperate with them, that will be seen to be obstruction of a legally elected government of Singapore. Plain and simple.
You're a civil servant, it's your task to serve whichever party is in power. Leave your political affiliations at the door and be a professional bureaucrat.
If there are people in the Civil Service that tries to obstruct the political role of the government, then all I can say is for those civil servants involved to be charged with dereliction of duty. Maybe the instigator should be held for questioning as well. -
Truth: I am one of those you'd called delusional.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I think so far you are only one of the few that I call delusional... because base on what you wrote, you are
False: I am not ONE of the few.... you called many people this many times. nonetheless you are still a better writer than many, and while you and I don't agree on lots of things, reading your post isn't that painful.
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Let me give you an example why you are delusional. You said that my book sold only a few copies at best. Delusional.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Truth: I am one of those you'd called delusional.
False: I am not ONE of the few.... you called many people this many times. nonetheless you are still a better writer than many, and while you and I don't agree on lots of things, reading your post isn't that painful. -
That matter was allowed to rest, so that the elections could "move on".Originally posted by Melvin Tan:Hi,
While there is no doubt that a mistake is a mistake, I personally think the above statements are carried a fine distance.
I have encountered people unable to remember if they already had lunch or dinner. A meal takes more time than stuffing a document into a bag. Virtually all these people that I came across were higher-level people whose jobs require high mental capacity.
Nobility is also measured in terms of whether a person knows he is in the wrong; as far as I remember your subject of mention did.
In terms of not, I would be more appalled at the PAP MP whose values her daughter inherited contained streaks of cruel arrogance and mockery, unless someone tells me that she did not gain any traits from her parent, which I find hard to believe especially after the u-turn on apologies.
I have respect for the PAP to an extent and would also find it unbelievable that they take in a candidate and MP who would respond as such.
Regards
We all have our own assessment.
Let it be that.
This topic is about getting good people to run the government.
Anyone running the government can simply do it, so it is said.
I don't think it is that easy.
A child inherit the genes of the parents, and also some characteristics as well. This need not necessary be the rule because the child also develop her own personality and abilities. Otherwise how do we explain musical talents from unmusical parents. Tyrants have offsprings that are docile. Stalin's daughter, Svetlana was just an ordinary woman, married to an Indian.
So to use the child to judge the parent, is stretching things too far. What if the child is retarded? What would that say about the parents, to you?
Your daughter/father analogy is therefore flawed.
My apologies to you (or your party), if I have struck a raw nerve by bringing up the Gomez caper. It for argument sake, not to disparage any one. -
Please do not assume that you can change governments. Young people don't understand this. -LKY
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Originally posted by (human):Please do not assume that you can change governments. Young people don't understand this. -LKY
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when he dies, it will change even if the party in power does not... everyone including the young people understands this very well... old people that do not believe they will also die are just simply senile....Originally posted by (human):Please do not assume that you can change governments. Young people don't understand this. -LKY -
Delusional assessment? I prefer the police's assessment. What raw nerve? You are the only one here with illusions of grandeur, thinking that you know better than the police that did an investigation.Originally posted by mancha:We all have our own assessment.
Let it be that.
My apologies to you (or your party), if I have struck a raw nerve by bringing up the Gomez caper. It for argument sake, not to disparage any one. -
Originally posted by eagle:By saying this, you are already agreeing with LKY's viewpoint
But I do not agree that people like LKY should come along and take as much of their money as possible... that is the reasoning of con-men.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:By definition, the majority of people are average and below average. -
When the opposition is in power, they will have the resources of the country to hire the best available instead of right now, where they take as much of the country's resources as possible and put their own relatives in positions of power.
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Hi,
Acknowledged. No, you have not "struck any raw nerve" and I apologise if I had given the otherwise impression. I merely felt that I had to clarify the description of "fraudster" on this issue; sorry if it was curt.Originally posted by mancha:That matter was allowed to rest, so that the elections could "move on".
We all have our own assessment.
Let it be that.
My apologies to you (or your party), if I have struck a raw nerve by bringing up the Gomez caper. It for argument sake, not to disparage any one.
No doubt about that at all.Originally posted by mancha:This topic is about getting good people to run the government.
Anyone running the government can simply do it, so it is said.
I don't think it is that easy.
To an extent, I feel that there is a difference between genes and character and they aren't really comparable.Originally posted by mancha:A child inherit the genes of the parents, and also some characteristics as well. This need not necessary be the rule because the child also develop her own personality and abilities. Otherwise how do we explain musical talents from unmusical parents. Tyrants have offsprings that are docile. Stalin's daughter, Svetlana was just an ordinary woman, married to an Indian.
So to use the child to judge the parent, is stretching things too far. What if the child is retarded? What would that say about the parents, to you?
Your daughter/father analogy is therefore flawed.
As for this case, I think my point was not related to inheriting of genes but how the father appeared to be shy in apologising or getting his daughter to do so, which can be inheriting of behaviour. I did not mean just because the daughter had character flaws then it was inherited from the father. What I meant was, if the father set a bad example, then it might have an influence on her and he should be mindful of this.
As I wrote in my blog, even the PM had the gutso to apologise for the "fix opposition" remarks during the last GE. While WP took issue with this, I personally feel it is not as offside as someone calling those of a lower class names.
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Originally posted by mancha:This topic is about getting good people to run the government.
Anyone running the government can simply do it, so it is said.
I don't think it is that easy.Originally posted by Melvin Tan:
Good, my line of argument is to dispel the TS delusion that good governance is easy. Just get good people to run the government, anyone can do it, so he extol.
No doubt about that at all.
I say otherwise.
Thank you for your views on the side issues.
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LKY has cloned himself successfully. It is standing by in USA. LHL would suddenly bring up a power no nonsense YOUNG man with a different face and this man is LKY's clone.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:when he dies, it will change even if the party in power does not... everyone including the young people understands this very well... old people that do not believe they will also die are just simply senile.... -
Good governance is not easy. That is why you need to get good people to do the governing.Originally posted by mancha:Good, my line of argument is to dispel the TS delusion that good governance is easy. Just get good people to run the government, anyone can do it, so he extol.
I say otherwise.
Thank you for your views on the side issues.
Its best we let that rest.