YPAP Cycling Event removed from site
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Are the versions of news we get from the Straits Times very different from those reported on the web ? News not Commentaries.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Of course but there's no denial that the media often attempts to paint the opposition in bad light.
Hitler used Herman Goering, the propaganda chief to great effect during his reign of terror. It worked tremendously, didn't it?
The power of the media knows no bounds. What makes it especially scary is that this govt has 110% control over all media in Singapore, save the World Wide Web. -
Britain shouldn't had encouraged and assisted in Hitler's plans to expand eastwards.
Their plan to instigate Germany to attack Russia didn't quite work out.
As Mao Zedong said:
Chamberlain started with the aim of injuring others only to end up by ruining himself. This is the law of development which governs all reactionary policies.
http://marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_17.htm -
Can the people suggest or propose higher salaries for Low, Sylvia and Chiam?Originally posted by kramnave:problem is you have to be a minister before u get top salaries
They are working just as hard right?
What I mean is, so many say singapore lack of opposition talents.
If hike their salaries to near minstor level har , would singaporean talents be tempted to put in more effort ? Like this may be the mother of all solution to solve singapore opposition lack-talent crisis. Its really unhealthy to have a weak opposition in singapore. Ying must balance the Yang.
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They are MPs not ministers, i don't know how hard they are working but they are definitely not holding any portfolio.Originally posted by reddressman:Can the people suggest or propose higher salaries for Low, Sylvia and Chiam?
They are working just as hard right?
What I mean is, so many say singapore lack of opposition talents.
If hike their salaries to near minstor level har , would singaporean talents be tempted to put in more effort ? Like this may be the mother of all solution to solve singapore opposition lack-talent crisis. Its really unhealthy to have a weak opposition in singapore. Ying must balance the Yang. -
What do you think?Originally posted by kramnave:Are the versions of news we get from the Straits Times very different from those reported on the web ? News not Commentaries. -
If you ask me i don't see much difference..
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Then you obviously have not been reading up alternative views.
Try yawningbread.com, theonlinecitizen.com, mrbrown.com, wp.org.sg etc. It will be refreshing. -
Those would probably provide me with views, commentaries, whatever you call them. I'm talking about news....speaking of alternative views, i don't mind reading some of them but frequently, they only serve to be the shadow government, just finding something to oppose to. I can think for myself. So i don't understand why some people are against reading news from the straits times. I would like to ask again, is the version of news we get from the straits times significantly different from those we can obtain from the web ?Originally posted by Rock^Star:Then you obviously have not been reading up alternative views.
Try yawningbread.com, theonlinecitizen.com, mrbrown.com, wp.org.sg etc. It will be refreshing. -
Originally posted by kramnave:Those would probably provide me with views, commentaries, whatever you call them. I'm talking about news....speaking of alternative views, i don't mind reading some of them but frequently, they only serve to be the shadow government, just finding something to oppose to.
Views and commentaries but they provide an analysis into articles written by ST.
What alternative views do you read and from which sites in particular?
I can think for myself. So i don't understand why some people are against reading news from the straits times. I would like to ask again, is the version of news we get from the straits times significantly different from those we can obtain from the web ?
Significantly different? I can't answer that as I don't always keep track of foreign news press.
Have you seen the recent ST article on employment in Singapore? Surely, we don't need to see both news reported over the web and in ST to tell the difference. A thoughtful analysis can give one the answers. -
I suscribe to the Straits Times, i go to theonlinecitizen.com, newsintercom.org and the various political party websites. For news i rely on Straits Times and online i do yahoo news and channelnewsasia. For alternative views, i do go to the other websites including malaysia-today.net for things malaysian.
They remain "alternative", almost every article i have read have something bad to say but nothing good. I don't mean to say it is wrong as some articles i feel have some truth. However, those are not news. I can't possibly rely on everything bad someone has to say on select issues about the country and the government.
Relying on such "news" and denying news proper runs the danger of having nothing but negative thoughts and opinions. -
Why don't we start a thread listing all of the alternative blogs, forums, news websites etc that are not under state control and make it sticky?
This can help to break out of the propaganda encirclement.
See:
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Sure, I'm positive you have your own mind to judge.Originally posted by kramnave:I suscribe to the Straits Times, i go to theonlinecitizen.com, newsintercom.org and the various political party websites. For news i rely on Straits Times and online i do yahoo news and channelnewsasia. For alternative views, i do go to the other websites including malaysia-today.net for things malaysian.
They remain "alternative", almost every article i have read have something bad to say but nothing good. I don't mean to say it is wrong as some articles i feel have some truth. However, those are not news. I can't possibly rely on everything bad someone has to say on select issues about the country and the government.
Relying on such "news" and denying news proper runs the danger of having nothing but negative thoughts and opinions.
What do you think about the recent ST article on employment in Singapore? Have you read the alternative views to that?
What about deliberate omission or downsizing of articles for eg
- LKY and GCT suing FEER
- our press freedom ranking
- World happiness index
Who can forget that the mass attendance at WP's rallies were not even publicised in last year's elections? -
I take reports on employment figures or Singapore being this hub and that hub in future..creating blah blah amount of jobs with a pinch of salt. Mainly because i know what i want. It doesn't matter to me if the IR is going to create this amount of jobs as i never ever wanted to work there for example. Many have this dilemma of choosing to study something because the prospects are good etc. Some have parents forcing them. I don't really care because i know what i want.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Sure, I'm positive you have your own mind to judge.
What do you think about the recent ST article on employment in Singapore? Have you read the alternative views to that?
What about deliberate omission or downsizing of articles for eg
- LKY and GCT suing FEER
- our press freedom ranking
- World happiness index
Who can forget that the mass attendance at WP's rallies were not even publicised in last year's elections? -
To add on, so what if small coverage is given to the lawsuits, press freedom rankings, WP rally attendances etc. Is a big deal ? what i don't get from straits times i get from alternative websites anyway. Do i blame Straits times for that ? No. Is it a big deal to me ? No. Is it life and death ? No. Does it affect me in anyway ? No. I may spot the discrepancy but so what ?
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We should also consider the choice of "News" in our papers.
In my media class, I was taught by an ex-editor:
1) Choice of news
2) Choice of first page headlines
3) Choice of "selection of news"
4) Choice of "buffers" - Other "good" News in the vicinity of a bad news. Also days and days of centred-ness on "humane" issues "related" to the bad news. Where attention is diverted to related "heartwarming" issures to divert attention away from the real problem.
5) Photography angles to make government look better than opposition.
6) Timing to release news.
Every of the points here can add to a state controlled government propaganda. And she hinted at our mass media.
She told us that if we thought "News" has to be gospel if it comes on TV News and Straits Times, we had to think again.
They report what they want you to see, hear and think. -
She told us that if we thought "News" has to be gospel if it comes on TV News and Straits Times, we had to think again.
Insane.
I regard Singapore mainstream media as nothing but complete propaganda.
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My facilitator who's an ex-journalist also told me that .Media bias is also prevalent in most countries in the world .Originally posted by maven2:We should also consider the choice of "News" in our papers.
In my media class, I was taught by an ex-editor:
1) Choice of news
2) Choice of first page headlines
3) Choice of "selection of news"
4) Choice of "buffers" - Other "good" News in the vicinity of a bad news. Also days and days of centred-ness on "humane" issues "related" to the bad news. Where attention is diverted to related "heartwarming" issures to divert attention away from the real problem.
5) Photography angles to make government look better than opposition.
6) Timing to release news.
Every of the points here can add to a state controlled government propaganda. And she hinted at our mass media.
She told us that if we thought "News" has to be gospel if it comes on TV News and Straits Times, we had to think again.
They report what they want you to see, hear and think. -
It is, news from the straits times, or whatever publications. Even "alternative news".Originally posted by Trump_Card:My facilitator who's an ex-journalist also told me that .Media bias is also prevalent in most countries in the world . -
Thanks for sharing.Originally posted by kramnave:To add on, so what if small coverage is given to the lawsuits, press freedom rankings, WP rally attendances etc. Is a big deal ? what i don't get from straits times i get from alternative websites anyway. Do i blame Straits times for that ? No. Is it a big deal to me ? No. Is it life and death ? No. Does it affect me in anyway ? No. I may spot the discrepancy but so what ?
Personal opinion.
However, the sad truth is what you don't want doesn't equate to what a news press should be.
While it is true that medias the world over have inherent bias but still, a news press should not deviate too far from its original motive: to report news truthfully and objectively.
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I think theinternet political discussion is a good move, based on the newspaper response to the YPAP cycling event removed from site issue. This is a good start to make the PAP govt to be more transparent and accountable. The govt knows that the political discussion scene in SG is very vibrant thus it must tread carefully so as to not offend the young, as this group usually have many alternative sources of info and do not buy what govt say blindly. Yes, internet forum may not change the political scene and situation in SG and PAP is still going to be high handled as ever, but it proves that PAP cannot be like in the pass, do whatever things they like without being scruntinized............
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Originally posted by equlus84:I think theinternet political discussion is a good move, based on the newspaper response to the YPAP cycling event removed from site issue. This is a good start to make the PAP govt to be more transparent and accountable. The govt knows that the political discussion scene in SG is very vibrant thus it must tread carefully so as to not offend the young, as this group usually have many alternative sources of info and do not buy what govt say blindly. Yes, internet forum may not change the political scene and situation in SG and PAP is still going to be high handled as ever, but it proves that PAP cannot be like in the pass, do whatever things they like without being scruntinized............
