Unbearable command of ENGLISH!!
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Came across this post in http://forums.keeptouch.net/showthread.php?t=96435. The command of English is REALLY BAD!!! It really made me wonder how can people who "had" such high education in SG yet can even have the cheek to post their comments in a forum which is read by almost everyone and anyone... Shame and such disgrace to us...
Here it goes... "Enjoy~"
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Me post this behalf of my sis.
juz wan to warn ppl who wanna try this restaurant.
Below is her comments( She has been working in service line for more den 5years)
My sis wrote:
I had a very bad dinning experience at the restaurant Giraffe today. It is my 1st time eating in the restaurant and will be my last time there. I always wanted to eat at this place wherever I walk pass Plaza Singapura.
Therefore my friends planned an outing there on 7 Sep. We had a group of 6. My friends and I arrived at the restaurant 1st. We informed the host we need a table for 6 and were informed that the seats on level 2 canÂ’t take 6 paxs. This is the 1st time we eat in the restaurant so we assumed that it is some fine dining restaurant that most of the table is in 2 or 4 paxs (from the look of the restaurant it look classic).
We were offered the table at level 1 which is near the Bar. The ambience at the bar is nice but is definitely not meant for eating as there is no lightings. Only a small candle. We have to take the menu near the candle to read, very pathetic. We had a default menu with all the same item of each page, is that a joke?
The place was also very warm, hot. When I ask the staff to turn on the fan, he told me it spoiled. (What?! A restaurant?). Therefore I ask for ice water and they say they don’t provide! When we reconfirm with the next staff is “there really not space for 6 paxs” then they inform us that they’re full, all seat are taken. Ask if we would like to wait for a table. Can’t they just inform us there are seats but are all taken up instead of just let us act as a fool at the bar.
When we finally reach the table at level 2, we order out food. I order a dessert and my friend order pasta. When the food arrived, the staff didnÂ’t change our table setting for cutlery. I have to eat my dessert with the dinner fork and my friend my dinner fork and knife for pasta, very funny right? Who eat pasta using knife? When the drink was served, the drink is so full that the waiter spilled the drink before it even touch the table!
My friend order a cocktail and when served she commented that the drink donÂ’t have any alcohol taste, she even pass around the drink for all of us. We require for redo. But when the new cocktail arrived, we feel insulted. The bar man (I assume) ask my friend have she drink the cocktail before. He though we are kids, never drink before meh so angry, looks down on us!
When weÂ’re only half way done, the waiter informs us for last serving. We was shocked, we ask what rime the restaurant close and he reply 1 p.m. The time then is only 10 p.m. We will like to have some bar snack and he reply it also last order. What type of restaurant closes at 1 and last order at 10 even for bar snack? So guest for 10 to 1 only drink donÂ’t eat la?
We were force to order Nacho(menu said it serve wif the green sauce, something i look forward to.) and calamari early. We require the staff to keep our food warm and serve when we finish our meal but think the staff forget and service it soon after hai!
The calamari.was not fresh at all. Nacho din come wif the green sauce tat is stated in the menu. Ask the waiter come n explain, menu was not up to date n blar blar blar. manager came also din really do any damage control at all. Din even change another plate of calamari.
I left e place early, my fren settled e bill..
I can't find e offical webbie to write a complain letter to them. haiz.
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Heng ah. Almost went there some weeks ago.
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This thread in the wrong forum, should be in Chit Chat.
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It's over exaggerating, come on... fan cannot break down?? restaurant so what? everything must be in working conditions? Like anyone's home appliances doesn't break down @ all?? It's a restaurant and bar, not just restaurant; what's with the kitchen got 2 open till 1am?? Need not sleep is it?? Which idiotic moron will open it's kitchen till 1am when it's a restaurant & bar?? If so, might as well call it a restaurant instead. Grief~ Btw the topic is about Unbearable command of English, not about the restaurant. Greatly appreciate is u can keep to the topic. Thks for your kind comprehensions.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Heng ah. Almost went there some weeks ago. -
Oh... I'm sorry... I must be "blind" or my command of english isn't that up to standard. Hmmm... Btw I didn't know a junior member is also an adminstrator of this forum though... Pardon me... Please kindly move this thread to the mentioned thread then. Noted with thanks!Originally posted by qlqq9:This thread in the wrong forum, should be in Chit Chat. -
bro, relax la......
there are administrators and moderators here.
admins, only a few, they are the founders.
moderators, anyone can be, when u make a new forum, (any registered member can make their own forum), they automatically become a moderator, and they can add 3 others to help them moderate THEIR own forum.
eg:
anyway, this thread related to food wat, jus telling us about a restaurant, nothing wrong with being here, no real need to be moved actually....
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TS, your command in english isn't, as good as, what that complainant has written...... so before, questioning about other people proficiency in english... take a good look, at what you have typed out so far in your own post.
your construction of sentence reminds me of my primary school homework -
Hahaha... It's not about a restaurant, @ least not so much of it.. It just unbearable when people just simply love to complain and complain. Not knowing what actually went on yet the way they complain is so unreadable... Anyways, it's a Friday; normally any restaurant will be full house. She didn't mention that she had a reservation of any sort. Just walked in like that and expected to have a table ready for 6pax??? It's kinda ridiculous and ironical when she mentioned that the restaurant seems to be a fine dining restaurant. Pardon my ignorance but just my 2cents worth, as far as I know, any restaurant will need a reservation for diners whether they're 2 or more; especially during weekends. And she also mentioned she is in service line for more than 5yrs. It really makes me ponder what kinda service industry she is in. Everywhere we go, it's first come, first served. Isn't it?Originally posted by venny:bro, relax la......
there are administrators and moderators here.
admins, only a few, they are the founders.
moderators, anyone can be, when u make a new forum, (any registered member can make their own forum), they automatically become a moderator, and they can add 3 others to help them moderate THEIR own forum.
eg:
anyway, this thread related to food wat, jus telling us about a restaurant, nothing wrong with being here, no real need to be moved actually....
and that qlqq9 is nt an admin or moderator either....
Why be such a pain in the ...?? It isn't about how much $$ being spent but the basic etiquette that a diner should have. Just simply feel that just by spending sme $$$, can criticise till the cows come home??? Simply cannot stand people as such... -
hmm... moved to speakers corner?
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Point noted and will take note on that. Thank you you ar teacher! GO teach in primary school then! Yawn~Originally posted by allentyb:TS, your command in english isn't, as good as, what that complainant has written...... so before, questioning about other people proficiency in english... take a good look, at what you have typed out so far in your own post.
your construction of sentence reminds me of my primary school homework -
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TS
my 2 cents worth of thought, that complainant doesn't make any sense at all, in his post, in my humble opinion, if that restaurant is packed with people, it would either means that, it is still a relatively new restaurant, or it has an established reputation............
So it is his sister unfortunate LUCK that, that dinner event has to be turn out to be a bad day for her and her friends, and to put it, simply, it is in the blood of all singaporean that we complain all the time, about everything.
Nevertheless,the complainant's mentality, is what usually known as, customer is king.........
there is this newspaper article that has been published in the new paper, it is about, customer service. I am not sure whether have you read about it, but what i read in your post, and i am, now mentioning this to you, TS, you are being critical about that complainant command in english, and you fail to see that you have short form in your sentence, and some of your sentence, doesn't make any sense to me at all, so next time, if you ever want to laugh or mock or point your fingers at others, do note that, three fingers will be pointing back at you at the same time.
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Pardon me for my misinterruption, should there be any. Who are you talking about on not making sense at all in his post?Originally posted by allentyb:TS
my 2 cents worth of thought, that complainant doesn't make any sense at all, in his post, in my humble opinion, if that restaurant is packed with people, it would either means that, it is still a relatively new restaurant, or it has an established reputation............
So it is his sister unfortunate LUCK that, that dinner event has to be turn out to be a bad day for her and her friends, and to put it, simply, it is in the blood of all singaporean that we complain all the time, about everything.
Nevertheless,the complainant's mentality, is what usually known as, customer is king.........
there is this newspaper article that has been published in the new paper, it is about, customer service. I am not sure whether have you read about it, but what i read in your post, and i am, now mentioning this to you, TS, you are being critical about that complainant command in english, and you fail to see that you have short form in your sentence, and some of your sentence, doesn't make any sense to me at all, so next time, if you ever want to laugh or mock or point your fingers at others, do note that, three fingers will be pointing back at you at the same time.
this is what i call - self reflection.
And just as you know, that restaurant mentioned; had been around since last year hence it isn't new anymore.
Exactly my point, singaporean love to complain and it's in our blood. That's what I am doing now, isn't it? Nonetheless, if the complaint somewhat make sense, it's still understandable but this one doesn't and with the added bad command of english; just made us look like some uneducated fools blabbing about our bad experience. We spent almost three quarter of our life, indulging in studies whether we like it or not. It is to upgrade ourselves. The level of education we are getting here is unlike our neighbouring countries. And that I supposed; to you, my construction of english is like your primary school standard. Unfortunately, I'm from the 70s; where marbles playing and bell bottoms existed, etc. Thus the education I received, wasn't up to your standard. My sincere apologies for that. But the post which got me started this thread; is from someone of your generation or younger; Yes, I may have assumed your age. My apology if my assumption is wrong. So what are we missing here? Singaporeans who love to complain or just have no sense of responsibilities in their own action of words?
Have you ever wonder why is the service industries has been getting from bad to worse? Guess it's pretty much due to the fact that most singaporeans think that way -Customer is king. Just by spending some money, does that mean they are kings? And everyone else are their slaves? How are we going to improve our service and be able to provide good service our citizens whenever such happens? It's an issue we refused to acknowledge, refused to admit. Or is that just the way we are? If so, guess it's about time we REFLECT and make amendments to that mentality.
I clearly understand your point. Judge not or be judged. You can use three or more fingers or even toes to point at me. I am perfectly fine with that. Likewise, there maybe more pointing at you as we speak. There is ALWAYS a higher mountain out there. It doesn't bother me that bit. Though I used short forms and some of my sentences do not make any sense to you but the least they are from the humble 70s' standard.(Not making excuses but the standard wasn't that high as currently) It is a laughing stock and great mockery to see those from the later generations writting such post with such bad command of english, yet can be posted in two forums?! Self-reflection or self-denial of our actions and speech?
PS: I would appreciate if you have the least courtesy to find out my humble name rather than addressing me as TS. Thank you. -
Wad has the title of your post to do with its content?
Wrong forum oso!
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seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black...... bad engrish complaining about bad engrish.
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It's not as if your English is somewhere near good.
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Originally posted by cokeCan:
actually, hor, your command of English is also quite unbearable + atrocious.
It's over exaggerating, come on... fan cannot break down?? restaurant so what? everything must be in working conditions? Like anyone's home appliances doesn't break down @ all?? It's a restaurant and bar, not just restaurant; what's with the kitchen got 2 open till 1am?? Need not sleep is it?? Which idiotic moron will open it's kitchen till 1am when it's a restaurant & bar?? If so, might as well call it a restaurant instead. Grief~ Btw the topic is about Unbearable command of English, not about the restaurant. Greatly appreciate is u can keep to the topic. Thks for your kind comprehensions.
1. Do not use a numeral to represent a word.
2. When you use the term "idiotic moron", you must not follow up with "it's", it should either be a his or her. Idiotic moron refer to a person.
3. "Greatly appreciate IF YOU can keep to the topic" - informal, or "I will greatly appreciate if you can keep to the topic"
4. You cannot pluralise the word "comprehension "
.... and I have not even begin to correct the passage.
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Originally posted by cokeCan:
....so you are complaining because
Hahaha... It's not about a restaurant, @ least not so much of it.. It just unbearable when people just simply love to complain and complain. Not knowing what actually went on yet the way they complain is so unreadable... Anyways, it's a Friday; normally any restaurant will be full house. She didn't mention that she had a reservation of any sort. Just walked in like that and expected to have a table ready for 6pax??? It's kinda ridiculous and ironical when she mentioned that the restaurant seems to be a fine dining restaurant. Pardon my ignorance but just my 2cents worth, as far as I know, any restaurant will need a reservation for diners whether they're 2 or more; especially during weekends. And she also mentioned she is in service line for more than 5yrs. It really makes me ponder what kinda service industry she is in. Everywhere we go, it's first come, first served. Isn't it?
Why be such a pain in the ...?? It isn't about how much $$ being spent but the basic etiquette that a diner should have. Just simply feel that just by spending sme $$$, can criticise till the cows come home??? Simply cannot stand people as such...
1. people are fond of complaining, or
2. that you are not happy with the standard of English that Singaporeans have???
3. or that maybe, you worked at Giraffe?????
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Originally posted by cokeCan:
what humble 70's standard???? I am 40+ this year and I attempt to write well.
I clearly understand your point. Judge not or be judged. You can use three or more fingers or even toes to point at me. I am perfectly fine with that. Likewise, there maybe more pointing at you as we speak. There is ALWAYS a higher mountain out there. It doesn't bother me that bit. Though I used short forms and some of my sentences do not make any sense to you but the least they are from the humble 70s' standard.(Not making excuses but the standard wasn't that high as currently) It is a laughing stock and great mockery to see those from the later generations writting such post with such bad command of english, yet can be posted in two forums?! Self-reflection or self-denial of our actions and speech?
PS: I would appreciate if you have the least courtesy to find out my humble name rather than addressing me as TS. Thank you.
so, TS....what's your humble name? note that cokeCan is NOT your name....
this question is necessary because you wish for us to address you using your humble name.
having said all that.... this thread is actually quite humourous. -
TS , if there is any semblance of good english in your text above , ppl wouldn't be retorting ...
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This thread is filled with contradiction. Thanks for the laugh, it's simply hilarious.
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My name is Karen and am in F&B service industry for 14 years now. It's really upsetting and disappointing that our service industry is getting from bad to worse. No one really believe in service anymore or as a matter of fact, no one provides good service anymore. But have we actually ask ourselves why so? Is it the mentality of Customer is king affected us?
I did not receive the level of education most people did; especially nowadays. Even back in my studying days, I had to stop at Secondary 3 due to the expenses incurred to my mom but I have been reading whenever I can, so as to improve myself. Maybe that is why when I come across such comments and moreover it's about F&B, it just upsets me. The years of effort and hardwork that had been thrown into training the waiters/waitresses on service, just got dampened whenever some arrogant/unreasonable customer marched in. It is saddening.
I have more than three fingers pointing at me now but I'm fine. The least, I always know that there are definitely people who have better command of english than me. I can only write very simple english and hold a simple conversation. I am not good enough but at least I am willing to learn. -
This thread should be moved to "Chit Chat".
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OK Karen, at least this passage is a couple notches up in terms of the quality of writing.Originally posted by cokeCan:My name is Karen and am in F&B service industry for 14 years now. It's really upsetting and disappointing that our service industry is getting from bad to worse. No one really believe in service anymore or as a matter of fact, no one provides good service anymore. But have we actually ask ourselves why so? Is it the mentality of Customer is king affected us?
I did not receive the level of education most people did; especially nowadays. Even back in my studying days, I had to stop at Secondary 3 due to the expenses incurred to my mom but I have been reading whenever I can, so as to improve myself. Maybe that is why when I come across such comments and moreover it's about F&B, it just upsets me. The years of effort and hardwork that had been thrown into training the waiters/waitresses on service, just got dampened whenever some arrogant/unreasonable customer marched in. It is saddening.
I have more than three fingers pointing at me now but I'm fine. The least, I always know that there are definitely people who have better command of english than me. I can only write very simple english and hold a simple conversation. I am not good enough but at least I am willing to learn.
However, I still don't get the purpose of your post - is it to b-itch about the poor command of written English, poor service of F&B outlet, or is it about demanding customers.
Nonetheless, it is still in the wrong forum. Speaker's Corner is mainly for political commentators.
General comments should go to Chit Chat
Complaints about restaurants should go to Food (my suggestion)
P-issed about how you are treated by demanding customers should go to Aunt Agony.
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Tautology. The "over" part is already part of the definition of "exaggeration".Originally posted by cokeCan:It's over exaggerating, come on...
Yet another tautology. Unless, of course, you think that a moron is anything other than idiotic.Originally posted by cokeCan:Which idiotic moron will open ...
Do you mean "unbearably poor command of English"? Please do express yourself clearly.Originally posted by cokeCan:Unbearable command of English
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. I sincerely hope that was a typo.Originally posted by cokeCan:Greatly appreciate is u can keep to the topic.
And how, pray tell, does one pluralise comprehension?Originally posted by cokeCan:Thks for your kind comprehensions.
Pot, kettle, glass houses, stones, you know the drill.