Oz ''Schools produce 'illiterate' students''
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''Schools produce 'illiterate' students''--www.theage.com.au/ headline
if u accuse me anti Oz by posting not-so-good -news of Oz,
then pl e mail to CSJ and www.theage.com.au/.--
Tell them, he and the paper , is also anti--Singapore and anti--Australia
respectively.
Come.There are many who have studied in Oz.
Tell me if it is true? pl e mail SG studetns who are studying
in Oz now.
Be patient.Just wait for few days of Senate report.
Read word by word yourself.
darling.Dunt tell me we cant trust Oz Senate report!!
Oz PM ''Mr Howard said the teaching of English had been allowed to drift into a "relativist wasteland", and that text messages and Big Brother were robbing children of their cultural heritage.''
A report with political motivation?
I salute SG parents who send their kids to Oz.
Oh.They are in Very Good school.No problems.Heng Ah...
I am sorry if i disturb the long held believe that schools
down under is good.Pl note that I dare not say
anything about Oz schools.
I just table their media report and the respected Senate
report for our friendly and cooling chit chat.
U are welcome to talk SG school system here.
Schools produce 'illiterate' students,Jewel Topsfield,September 13, 2007--www.theage.com.au,AUSTRALIAN teenagers commonly complete secondary school without a firm grasp on how to construct a complex sentence, a Senate committee is believed to have found.
2.Dunt Fxxx me.The report is here.13.09.2007.
In a provocative report to be released today, the committee is believed to have expressed alarm at the fact that some students can go through six or more years of school and emerge functionally illiterate.
The majority report is expected to say that trainee teachers are more concerned with classroom management than teaching theory, and they often feel ill-prepared for the classroom at the end of their degrees.
The inquiry, by the Senate's standing committee on education, was announced in February, hours after Prime Minister John Howard said some school curriculums contained "incomprehensible sludge".
The timing of the inquiry prompted claims that it was a politically motivated exercise in bashing Labor states — claims believed to have been echoed by Labor members of the committee in a dissenting report.
The Age believes the report will cite evidence that students emerging from secondary school with restricted vocabulary and without a firm grasp of complex sentences somehow manage to go on to higher education.
It is believed the committee found much dissatisfaction with the bachelor of education degree, mainly due to the poor grounding offered in some university subject disciplines.
The report is likely to recommend that the lobby group Universities Australia encourage a more rigorous and evidence-based approach when educating trainees on methods of teaching literacy and maths.
It is also expected to recommend that federal and state education ministers negotiate a comparable year 12 certificate with common national standards that could be assessed in public exams.
The report is believed to say that researchers have shown that the quality of teaching is the single most important influence on students' performance.
However, it is likely to say the lack of a definition of teacher excellence hinders recognition and rewarding of teachers, specifically in terms of academic achievement.
The committee is expected to recommend a review into the remuneration of teachers to encourage more people into the profession and improve retention rates.
Under a future Coalition government, the states would be forced to introduce performance-based pay for teachers, a common national curriculum in key subjects and public year 12 exams in order to receive their share of $42 billion in federal funding from 2009.
The day the inquiry was announced, Mr Howard said the teaching of English had been allowed to drift into a "relativist wasteland", and that text messages and Big Brother were robbing children of their cultural heritage.
Federal Education Minister Julie Bishop has also repeatedly criticised standards in state schools.
The inquiry received 73 submissions and held eight public hearings across the country.
An education psychologist at RMIT University, Kerry Hempenstall, told the inquiry that the written expression of his postgraduate students was generally poor and he often fixed basic spelling and grammatical errors in their assignments.
Senior Canberra education bureaucrats warned that young Australians were inadequately prepared for the 21st century.
The committee's Labor senators, in their dissenting report, are believed to say the Government has commissioned 22 reports on standards and teacher education since 1998, but has failed to act on them.
They are also believed to claim the inquiry did not take into account the Federal Government's failure to fund programs adequately or to provide constructive policy to raise standards.
Quality of school education,13 September 2007,© Commonwealth of Australia 2007
ISBN 978-0-642-71856-3
Lets read the Senate report then talk.
3.Inquiry into Academic Standards of School Education
The report will now be tabled on 13 September 2007.good news
thats today...
Quality of school education,13 September 2007,© Commonwealth of Australia 2007
ISBN 978-0-642-71856-3 -
and.. what the hell has this to do with us?
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Singapore school's produced intellectuals like lionnoisy.
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Learn to resolve the issues of lack of university space before you aim others. Are you saying that no country has its own share of the not-so-academically-inclined?
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
How do you purport for "some friendly and cooling chit chat" if the first thread already had been designed to smear and tarnish another school's system. Your agenda is clear, and to put such a paragraph does not alleviate you of the fact that this is a charge on the Oz education system.
I just table their media report and the respected Senate
report for our friendly and cooling chit chat.
U are welcome to talk SG school system here. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
2.i think u have not read all my posting.
How do you purport for "some friendly and cooling chit chat" if the first thread already had been designed to smear and tarnish another school's system. Your agenda is clear, and to put such a paragraph does not alleviate you of the fact that this is a charge on the Oz education system.[/b]
Do u know the source of headline ?Cool down... -
Does it matter that foreign press are willing to face the music when it comes to domestic issues but the local press simply dishes out all the good news? If a similar issue were to occur in Singapore, if there were a chance for a cover-up, would that not be the route it will take.Originally posted by lionnoisy:2.i think u have not read all my posting.
Do u know the source of headline ?Cool down...
You may not wish to take pride in the transparency of their press as a non-Oz, but what I can see is that your actions are designed to jeer, amplify and exploit every bad instance of Oz to your advantage, without even considering that no human system can be perfect, including the Singaporean education system. Didn't the P4 streaming issue created a huge activity on the local education scene some years back? Is that considered salt in the wound for you, that even your own education system has its own geninue issues but are readily exploited by some unthinking foreigner?
If you truly wish to invoke a discussion on Singaporean schools, why use an Oz article, and one chosen with such bad taste? -
2.U says local press just report for good news?Originally posted by ^tamago^:Does it matter that foreign press are willing to face the music when it comes to domestic issues but the local press simply dishes out all the good news? If a similar issue were to occur in Singapore, if there were a chance for a cover-up, would that not be the route it will take.
Do u know how often we have been told--
sharpen your sword and prepare to fight anytime,
(why we need to test Public Alarm sys on 1st day of the month?)
learn and relearn to keep your jobs,
dunt take peace,and racial harmony etc for granted,
Keep two weeks of foods in your home(few people know this),
Do what we need to do to create jobs(Even LKY ,''I don't like casinos'''
,two IR are being built),
Bad news from PAP,swim or we die.
Dunt expect other to save us. -
pray tell, how does the inept schools in australia have to do with LKY, the IR and everything in singapore??
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2.I dunt agree local medias just report good news.Originally posted by the Bear:pray tell, how does the inept schools in australia have to do with LKY, the IR and everything in singapore??
ST etc report some big bad news in the long run,like
I just said in the reply.
Many third and first world country dare not tell
the people these long term problems .Why?
They afraid they will lose in next election.
They are NATO.
SG tell u the bad news in upfront and really
take actions to solve it on time.
u and other
non-singaporeans may laugh SG start to research to build
sea wall for rising sea level.See who will laugh 30 years later. -
again, how does australia producing inept students got to do with anything here?
you have not answered anything, you just cut and paste stuff hoping it hits the mark.. -
This self-glorification is definitely a waste of my time.
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I wouldn't say that.Originally posted by ^tamago^:This self-glorification is definitely a waste of my time.
It's good for a laugh.
Too bad that the noisy lion doesn't realise that people are laughing at him and not with him. -
maybe its news, but whats that got to do with speaker's corner?
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Excuse me, Lionnoisy, did you recieve your education in Singapore ??? Btw are they taught in English ???
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Consumer advice: Please check building materials on one's own property before casting granite projectiles.
''Schools produce 'illiterate' students''--www.theage.com.au/ headline
if u accuse me anti Oz by posting not-so-good -news of Oz,
then pl e mail to CSJ and www.theage.com.au/.--
Tell them, he and the paper , is also anti--Singapore and anti--Australia
respectively.
Come.There are many who have studied in Oz.
Tell me if it is true? pl e mail SG studetns who are studying
in Oz now.
Be patient.Just wait for few days of Senate report.
Read word by word yourself.
darling.Dunt tell me we cant trust Oz Senate report!!
Oz PM ''Mr Howard said the teaching of English had been allowed to drift into a "relativist wasteland", and that text messages and Big Brother were robbing children of their cultural heritage.''
A report with political motivation?
I salute SG parents who send their kids to Oz.
Oh.They are in Very Good school.No problems.Heng Ah...
I am sorry if i disturb the long held believe that schools
down under is good.Pl note that I dare not say
anything about Oz schools.
I just table their media report and the respected Senate
report for our friendly and cooling chit chat.
U are welcome to talk SG school system here.
Lion, thanks for the laugh. I tried picturing you reading a Senate report and got the image of a babboon trying to use a micrometer.
So, what's with this "cooling" thing anyway? Are you starting a liang teh stall? It quite befits your station in life. -
Going by the sheer idiocy displayed by Lionnoisy, I don't see how different he is from the "illiterate".
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Even if they can't read or write, we as Asians still cannot speak as well as them.
They communicated in English as soon as they could talk. -
What i says is news to singaporeans ,but not to Australians.
They are all too familiar..
2..8,000 teachers left Aussie in 2004/2005,(in 12 months )
Caption:Number of teachers leaving Aussiesaying money was a main factor
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source:The Australian
Downsides of Down under -
Dunno what has them got to do w/ us?
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ahh.. so u are the one that cut/past at sbf's migration forum.
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read for yourself the full report.
Quality of school education,13 September 2007,© Commonwealth of Australia 2007
ISBN 978-0-642-71856-3 -
I'm still trying to make sense of your first post.Originally posted by lionnoisy:read for yourself the full report. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Why shld Singaporeans be fed continuous Oz-bashing news from you? Why shouldn't only Singaporeans and not Australians who want to know the same piece of news?
What i says is news to singaporeans ,but not to Australians.
They are all too familiar..
2.[b].8,000 teachers left Aussie in 2004/2005,(in 12 months )
Caption:Number of teachers leaving Aussie
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source:The Australian
Downsides of Down under[/b] -
What i says is news to singaporeans ,but not to Australians.
If money is the only motivation.......................................................
They are all too familiar..
2..8,000 teachers left Aussie in 2004/2005,(in 12 months )
Caption:Number of teachers leaving Aussie
Saying that money is a problem
Just fill in the blanks.
A hobby is good, but being obsessed with your hobby is not a good idea. -
It's subjective. Who's to say that Australian English is perfect, or even Standard Singaporean English for that matter..Originally posted by googoomuck:Even if they can't read or write, we as Asians still cannot speak as well as them.
They communicated in English as soon as they could talk.
English is a language with many variations...