Response from MOE to gay teachers disturbing
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I think the Bear has answered your question on the first page.Originally posted by stellazio:so parents are afraid that this homo teacher will make advances towards their children?
and normal teachers won't have teacher-students relationships?
or are they just afraid that their very own children might be homo!
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Nah, he's just being a troll. Same applies to Gazelle.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:"Laws of the land"
So you are a bloody fascist? Among the people to die in Nazi death camps, included homosexuals, gypsies etc. or anyone who displayed less than satisfactory IQ.
There is NOTHING in the law as it is right now, that says one cannot be gay. There is absolutely nothing. What is left, is institutional bias, which I would go as far as say, is unconstitutional. -
This is not about double standards.Originally posted by mistyblue:sorry to many but I had always thought that blogs are so wrong.. why can't people just find a close friend or a beer to confide in.... If this guy's a good teacher be the teacher a gay or lesbian, if the person behave appropriately, its a private matter. Now its a public matter. When parents do wrong things around the kids, the parents give excuses. When other people do wrong things around the kids, the parents condamns.
Why the double standards....
I have his entire blog entry, the one he deleted. 2000 words.
In it he expressed his guilt of keeping quite for many years. He finally decided to come out after LKY commented, and MP Baey Yam Keng supported the repeal of Section 377A.
He wrote this blog entry (he called it a letter) because he believe its time we should do something about homosexual rights in Singapore and he has the responsibility to come out.
So he meant it to be public. But he had to remove it after pressure from MOE.
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Your mom.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Ever heard of Newton's third law?
The gay lobby is only inviting greater opposition against their cause by taking such militant stance in a society that is still conservative and religious. Those who fail to understand or refuse to understand, too bad.
Perhaps when you learn to respect the sensitivities of the religious in the population to desire to bring up their children in accordance with the norms of their culture, traditions and religions will you appreciate the dangers you are courting. Trying to alter legislation against the wishes of the majority demonstrates the complete lack of respect for majority rule. Ignoring the stated law just because you disagree with it speaks of the complete disregard for the rule of law itself.
Remove the plank from your eye. Just who is mocking the law? -
It is still about double standards. A lesbian teacher would have a higher chance of getting off simply because she was born female.Originally posted by chenc:This is not about double standards.
I have his entire blog entry, the one he deleted. 2000 words.
In it he expressed his guilt of keeping quite for many years. He finally decided to come out after LKY commented, and MP Baey Yam Keng supported the repeal of Section 377A.
He wrote this blog entry (he called it a letter) because he believe its time we should do something about homosexual rights in Singapore and he has the responsibility to come out.
So he meant it to be public. But he had to remove it after pressure from MOE.
I still have his blog entry, I will post it up soon.
Masculinism is still very much ingrained in our society. We may have come a long way from witch-burning, but there is still a long way to go.
Women are the superior gender.
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Originally posted by iveco:It is still about double standards. A lesbian teacher would have a higher chance of getting off simply because she was born female.
Masculinism is still very much ingrained in our society. We may have come a long way from witch-burning, but there is still a long way to go.
Women are the superior gender. Lol read the post to which my reply is for.
The double standard identified there is about teachers having no freedom to blog. And the teacher's blog should be left private.
So I reply saying it is no double standard in this way because the teacher in this case wanted the blog to be read by everyone
Misunderstands, cheers. -
Yeah men, it is like saying teachers have no right to have oppinions.Originally posted by chenc: Lol read the post to which my reply is for.
The double standard identified there is about teachers having no freedom to blog. And the teacher's blog should be left private.
So I reply saying it is no double standard in this way because the teacher in this case wanted the blog to be read by everyone
Misunderstands, cheers.
Unless it is positive one, of course. -
Mis-informed you are.Originally posted by kramnave:OMG...ang dao yi mi attap ji.
Yes they have lovers and they are born gay. He took down his confession because his students chanced upon it. So why put it up on the blog in the first place ? Blogs are accessible by anyone.
He took it down not because students chanced upon it, in fact he wrote it in at attempt to support the recent support for repealing section 377A. So he would want people to read it.
He took it down because the MOE pressured him to do so. -
If only people could take to the streets in front of the Parliament house and demand an immediate removal of S377A.
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Haix..."Gays are supposed to be normal"Originally posted by kramnave:Well he did remove it after his students stumbled upon the "confession". If he didn't want them to know in the first instance, then don't put it on the blog. Gays are supposed to be normal. By coming out of the closet and letting the world know, whats the point ? "I'm gay" ! Big deal. Glorification of Gays or telling people that he is abnormal ? Then again maybe he just wants to write down his thoughts on his blog and sincerely thought that his students don't visit his blog at all.
That is true in America. But this is SINGAPORE.
You think gays are normal, I think so too.
But most of the people here, especially religious ones, do not think so.
No matter how one denies it, Singapore lacked freedom of speech, and is far from an open society.
Thus in this case, there is a need for gays (especially teaching professions) to step out.
Fact is they are being treated unfairly. Look up Section 377A.
Judging from the amount of misinformations you have in your post, you seriously need to read the teacher's letter, understand the issue here, then comment. -
whether one thinks someone is normal or not is just base on one's personal or moral preferences. they should not be enacted in law. if you say that german laws enacted by hitler against jews were wrong, vatican laws during the inquisition were wrong, japanese laws against singaporean rebels during the occupation were wrong, what makes you so sure that PAP's laws against homosexuals are right???
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Indeed I'd been taken for a ride by the press.Originally posted by chenc:Mis-informed you are.
He took it down not because students chanced upon it, in fact he wrote it in at attempt to support the recent support for repealing section 377A. So he would want people to read it.
He took it down because the MOE pressured him to do so.
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Nowadays, I keep blog aggregators from Singapore in the top rungs of my daily reading needs before the press come into view.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Indeed I'd been taken for a ride by the press.
In fact, it's interesting to compare what the press write, often a while later too. -
I apologise for being misinformed. It will take time to persuade the religious to think otherwise. Stepping into their shoes, Gays are not normal. If you think about it, the ultimate goal of sex is to reproduce. Men are not supposed to have sex with other men. Rather than say that Gays are normal, i would say that they are not but they are natural and being gay is not a sin.Originally posted by chenc:Haix..."Gays are supposed to be normal"
That is true in America. But this is SINGAPORE.
You think gays are normal, I think so too.
But most of the people here, especially religious ones, do not think so.
No matter how one denies it, Singapore lacked freedom of speech, and is far from an open society.
Thus in this case, there is a need for gays (especially teaching professions) to step out.
Fact is they are being treated unfairly. Look up Section 377A.
Judging from the amount of misinformations you have in your post, you seriously need to read the teacher's letter, understand the issue here, then comment. -
The issue here isn't about separating the sheep from the goats, it's about tolerance.
How innate does the trait have to be in order for you to accept a person, even if he can't feel any attraction for a woman? And since when was it just about sexual intercourse? -
Your explanations are primitive. This has never been about sex itself.Originally posted by kramnave:I apologise for being misinformed. It will take time to persuade the religious to think otherwise. Stepping into their shoes, Gays are not normal. If you think about it, the ultimate goal of sex is to reproduce. Men are not supposed to have sex with other men. Rather than say that Gays are normal, i would say that they are not but they are natural and being gay is not a sin. -
i'm sorry but i do find many Singaporeans not only intolerant but also quite unforgiving.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:The issue here isn't about separating the sheep from the goats, it's about tolerance.
How innate does the trait have to be in order for you to accept a person, even if he can't feel any attraction for a woman? And since when was it just about sexual intercourse? -
alot of the older generation thinking is primitive, you don't think that way doesn't mean they don't.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Your explanations are primitive. This has never been about sex itself.
It has always been about sex. Men do not have sex with men. During the 80s they had been blamed for AIDs with some quarters saying that this was a disease to punish them...it didn't help that they were deemed to lead a promiscuous lifestyle. -
The society is modelled to accept only the average and reject the brilliant, the different, and the below-average. It's the only way to sustain itself.Originally posted by pearlie27:i'm sorry but i do find many Singaporeans not only intolerant but also quite unforgiving.
Even more so in the Singapore society nowadays. But it's slowly improving, I think.
Would take one or two more generations though. -
And the reason why we aren't still starting fire using stones is because we are forward-thinking creatures.Originally posted by kramnave:alot of the older generation thinking is primitive, you don't think that way doesn't mean they don't.
By conforming oneself to the primitive thinking, one would only continue the thinking of the previous. -
If you don't understand their point of view then there is no point putting your views across as you'll be talking about different things with neither listening.Originally posted by binarynwitz:And the reason why we aren't still starting fire using stones is because we are forward-thinking creatures.
By conforming oneself to the primitive thinking, one would only continue the thinking of the previous. -
My salutations to the teacher. As long as he doesn't promote gay culture or values in school...he should be fine and the MOE should do nothing about it.
By appreciating and valuing each other's differences, we become alot more mature. Our country needs to have more diversity in thinking otherwise we will end up being empty headed with a single track vision in life leading to alienation of certain quarters of our population.
'only human to be the same or different in our perspectives and practices in life'
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Because when they think of gays, they think of sex, all sorts of funny position Thrusting, kissing whatever. Positions that are not normal for their taste & own selfish reasons.
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Sadly, the idea of imposing one's views on others is one of the few things in humanity that hasn't changed.Originally posted by nationalist:My salutations to the teacher. As long as he doesn't promote gay culture or values in school...he should be fine and the MOE should do nothing about it.
By appreciating and valuing each other's differences, we become alot more mature. Our country needs to have more diversity in thinking otherwise we will end up being empty headed with a single track vision in life leading to alienation of certain quarters of our population.
'only human to be the same or different in our perspectives and practices in life'
Respect!
Pride I tell you. -
Most people fear what they do not understand.
Homosexuality is something totally foreign to heterosexuals, and the very thought of being in a room full of gays will certainly frighten many with repressed mindsets that homosexuality is a disease in its own right.
If Otto was a celebrity with equal status as say...Sir Ian Mckellen, would it be surprising to find the bigot masses more tolerant of his 'affliction'?
Funny how real problems like sex addictions (think self-confessed Michael Douglas) and adultery among married couples are treated with 'acceptable' mindsets, that these things happen due to a ton of excuses, but oh...homosexualty? It's a straight no-no.