PAP: Stop Screwing Around with Peoples' CPF - Think Harder..
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if they don't do that, how can they increase their salary further???Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:My thought exactly !! .. all the best to you .... The MP's, Ministers should read this .. They think they are the thinker and what they do is always the best for us .. I cannot imagine I can live beyond 70.. so the annuity contribution is to contribute to their pocket .. that all I can think of ... -
They are going to push the envelope of tolerance & apathy until one fine day, people CANNOT take it anymore, and then tens of thousands enmass will riot to demand -
PAP STEP DOWN!!!
I hope that happens!
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
I think for the foreigner thinking of taking PR, they will need to think twice harder already.
They are going to push the envelope of tolerance & apathy until one fine day, people CANNOT take it anymore, and then tens of thousands enmass will riot to demand -
[b]PAP STEP DOWN!!!
I hope that happens! [/b] -
It wont happen here.
Most of us are afraid and not united.Originally posted by HyperFocal:
They are going to push the envelope of tolerance & apathy until one fine day, people CANNOT take it anymore, and then tens of thousands enmass will riot to demand -
[b]PAP STEP DOWN!!!
I hope that happens! [/b] -
Kekeke, thank God I won't be around to vote....yeah or maybe I will be voting for another PM....definitely not a Sillypore PM.....much nicer to vote in another country.......Originally posted by HyperFocal:They are asking for and pathing their way to a VERY shaky GE in 3 years time...
$300/mth for a 80something old person with some form of medical condition....won't be surprised a cuppa costs $1.50 or a bowl of noodles costs $10.......more like saving the $300 for a coffin.....
Let us all leave this little red dot.... -
Well they think that the common man out there with probably a diploma or something cannot manage his/her own money and that the scholarly types can manage them for us........more like they would take care of their own kind first, ensuring that their children get into top schools, be awarded a scholarship and get a iron bowl job in some GLCs....that's how it is all here, just look at Wee Shu Min.....brought up to look down on the common manOriginally posted by BillyBong:Although i think Low's retort to Sin Boon Ann was unnecessary, i still think the tampines MP ought to be reprimanded more directly for his criticism of Sylvia's challenge( reported in yesterday's ST)
It was tantamount to saying Singaporeans don't know how to manage their own savings, so the 'garbarment' must step in.
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
Then maybe I will decide to come back to Sillypore to see the downfall
They are going to push the envelope of tolerance & apathy until one fine day, people CANNOT take it anymore, and then tens of thousands enmass will riot to demand -
[b]PAP STEP DOWN!!!
I hope that happens! [/b] -
Will this annuity caused more local to give up their citizenship?Originally posted by Coquitlam:Well they think that the common man out there with probably a diploma or something cannot manage his/her own money and that the scholarly types can manage them for us........more like they would take care of their own kind first, ensuring that their children get into top schools, be awarded a scholarship and get a iron bowl job in some GLCs....that's how it is all here, just look at Wee Shu Min.....brought up to look down on the common man -
Oh by the way, has anyone heard Wee Shu Min's dad speak in Parliament lately??? It's a wonder how silent one can be after much hoohah by the daughter
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What infuriates me most is that they keep on trying to 'blow smoke' at the people about their dumb Annuity scheme when more than half the nation can see through their thin ploy!!!
If they really bother or care, they should stop Passing the Buck around on every little thing!
Bloody God Damn come up with something REALISTIC!!!
Always dancing around their damn CPF Totem Pole! -
What do you think? Cars here can only drive for 10 years, afterwhich, you need to pay through your nose to keep driving it for another 10years.Originally posted by will4:Will this annuity caused more local to give up their citizenship?
Humans here, can't touch their hard earned retirement money till their 82.
I mean, when its payment/s due them, they are very proficient and forthcoming. But when it comes to payment/s due us, there will be all kinds of obstacles.
WHat you think? People who can leave for a more humane country, WILL definitely do so! -
Well I've given up my citizenship and am cashing out my cpf 100%Originally posted by will4:Will this annuity caused more local to give up their citizenship?
I certainly hope that many more will follow in our footsteps......
Like I said many times before, Sillypore is a country that looks nice on the surface only but peel away the veneer and you see rubbish swept under teh carpet. It's also a souless country....you want to defend Sillypore? Be my guest
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Lets not be in attacking mode.
Lets be in thinking mode.
How are the housewives to be catered for?
These important people are deemed unemployed.
And therefore fell through the crack in the CPF scheme.
Another thought entered my mind.
How would the annuities be paid out to the 85 years old?
To bank accounts, of course.
And how would the shaky, rickety octogenarian go to the bank/ATM to withdraw the monthly payout? -
Agree.Originally posted by mancha:Lets not be in attacking mode.
Lets be in thinking mode.
How are the housewives to be catered for?
These important people are deemed unemployed.
And therefore fell through the crack in the CPF scheme.
Another thought entered my mind.
How would the annuities be paid out to the 85 years old?
To bank accounts, of course.
And how would the shaky, rickety octogenarian go to the bank/ATM to withdraw the monthly payout?
Seemingly trivial but critically valid point you have raised up.
Thanks. -
Saw the obituary column in ST today? Only about 1 out of 23 is above 85. Statistics??? Haiz..
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hmm, can someone tell me how this annuities work? Well, I'm only 18 this year but I feel that this will affect my future someway or another.
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18? Most people at your age have already set the sights and made up their minds to make it in whatever they choose to endeavour in - ABROAD.Originally posted by furb:hmm, can someone tell me how this annuities work? Well, I'm only 18 this year but I feel that this will affect my future someway or another.
So lets say you stay... at your current age, by the time you reach my age of 40 something, and if PAP is STILL around, God Bless You.... -
that's your vision and your choice. Singapore is my home and this is where my family and friend are. It is good that he is at least concern to find out how these "policies" is going to affect him. Rather than whinning, complaining and "leaving as a solution", do something that will make it changeOriginally posted by HyperFocal:18? Most people at your age have already set the sights and made up their minds to make it in whatever they choose to endeavour in - ABROAD.
So lets say you stay... at your current age, by the time you reach my age of 40 something, and if PAP is STILL around, God Bless You.... -
I agree, you do have a point. However, one person, a few people, a large group, cannot make any changes. It would take half the population to make them TAKE NOTE. It will also take Cause & Effects, for them to TAKE NOTE & change - or else... even a Slow Cooker can boil over...Originally posted by Lin Yu:that's your vision and your choice. Singapore is my home and this is where my family and friend are. It is good that he is at least concern to find out how these "policies" is going to affect him. Rather than whinning, complaining and "leaving as a solution", do something that will make it change
Yes, we all rant, whine, and grumble... but this is exactly what a volcano close to the verge of erupting produces too... rumbles, hissings, & spurts of hot outcomes... -
I don't think it's that simple. I really feel that they think they are doing good, that they think they deserve every cent of their pay and more.
This is actually more dangerous.
The PAP have been in power so long, controlling the media, the courts, etc, that they actually believe that they are as good and infallable as the make the local papers and radio say that they are.
With the amount of tax payers monies they pay themselves each month, they put themselves outside our day to day problems. They are no longer in touch with the people they are suppose to govern. I feel this puts their ability to effectively govern us in question.
With their current structure, we are no longer, "One nation, one people". We have become masters and slaves.
Someone posted this on Reach (have to paraphrase here cause they removed that topic already):
"This is a sign that they have been in power for much too long. Another benchmark in the PAP reign.
1. Banning chewing gun. To a simple mind it is only gum, but think of the power you wield to ban something like that.
2. Their ridiculous paycheques. Second stage, abuse of power for personal gain.
3. Forced annuity. Now they are taking liberties with my personal monies.
What is alarming is that they do not even question their right to my personal finances. They have already taken it forgranted that they have every right to my personal monies and finances."
So I totally agree that it's time to remove them, but not for the reasons you state.
For the good of Singapore, it's time to vote in a government who can look at us as a country with living breathing people in it, rather than a business entity with cash cows to make their bank balances look good while we ourselves are stretched to breaking point.Originally posted by qlqq9:They will never put themselves in the positions of the common folks and they will never change for the better. All they are planning and doing are solely to please themselves and not for the very best for the people. Vote them out of power. -
A promising young debater was once challenging the political scene in a debating motion many years ago. Now, he's one of them... wahaha...Originally posted by qlqq9:They will never put themselves in the positions of the common folks and they will never change for the better. All they are planning and doing are solely to please themselves and not for the very best for the people. Vote them out of power. -
Originally posted by mancha:
LHL has many times stated clearly that he is not giving welfare - not making Singapore a welfare state. ON the contrary, ng eng hen said that gahmen is not shirking responsibility.
The problem lies in the mindset of the PAP, who think "subsidy and welfare" are sacrilegious.
People who live till 85 years old should be [b]rewarded by the government, with monthly cash grant.
The present system of draw down with the retirement fund will serve almost all Singaporeans, as most will not outlast their cash. Only the present old folks may not have enough savings, but the young now are building up their savings, and will have more than sufficient when they get are old. The percentage point increase in interest rate is of much help. Majority of them too will not outlast their retirement fund.
Therefore it would make sense to "reward" those who lived past 85 years old, and have run out of cash/assets/family support. Also of those few who reached 85 years, all of them could terminate at any moment. Just a matter of tomorrow, next week, or very soon. Therefore the payout would not be catastropic. Our nation can afford it. Our people would agree to it.
In the present system, housewives are left out of the equation. They are deemed as unemployed, without a CPF account, therefore no savings and no retirement fund. Their best bet is to outlive their husband and inherit his CPF money.
Housewifes infact serve the most important of social functions, that of homemaker and mother to the future generation.
Each and everyone must work and save, and welfare is a dirty word, that mindset must change.[/b]
The selfish, self-centred gahmen depend the nation for their world class salary, benefits, pension and so on and on, on the other hand they don't want us to rely on them. Isn't this ironic? If they don't want us to rely on them why depend on us for votes for them?
Whatever they are doing and planning to do benefit themselves but do little or no benefits to the nation at all. -
Talk talk talk also no point.
Election come they start 200 man GRC, then check their form with magnifying glass and void because one dot look funny.
No need to vote already and they will say SEE? 100% Singaporeans vote for us!! We are the best!! We increase our pay again!!!
Like last election. Talk cock that majority of Singaporeans vote them in. Actually majority of Singaporeans did not even get to vote even. -
Isn't it the same with the Presidential Election?Originally posted by RatFink:Talk talk talk also no point.
Election come they start 200 man GRC, then check their form with magnifying glass and void because one dot look funny.
No need to vote already and they will say SEE? 100% Singaporeans vote for us!! We are the best!! We increase our pay again!!!
Like last election. Talk cock that majority of Singaporeans vote them in. Actually majority of Singaporeans did not even get to vote even. -
Yes! I always feel like that in $ingapore. Like cash cow for PAP!!!
Everywhere parking fees, stop anywhere to buy things also bloody greedy PAP want to make money for leaving car at side of the road!!! Car tax already so high! Got road tax some more still put ERP more and more!!! PAP make so much money leasing flats made with tax payer money. LEASE!!! Not SELL !!! Still want to put property tax??? Already tax my pay, still want to put GST and tax some more!!! Taxi, bus, train also price go up, up , up!!! Electricity and water also up!!!
Stay here so stress!!! Becoming more and more and more expensive because of PAP but my pay also never go up!!!
Peoples life here like shit!!! Still PAP want to say they damn good and suck more and more money from us?
Always say we not welfare state!!! Then why their pay so high and got pension some more? Why our ministers can make up positions when suppose to retire and still grab millions every year? They not living on welfare with our money is it???
Originally posted by Bloop...:For the good of Singapore, it's time to vote in a government who can look at us as a country with living breathing people in it, rather than a business entity with cash cows to make their bank balances look good while we ourselves are stretched to breaking point.