Malaysia is a RACIST Country
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To :Mazohyst
Are u even remotely relligious? Your last post was just plain antagonistic. Why do u have to go and insult another religion?
I freely admit that Im not religious but i do recognise the finer points it tries to teach people. You very obviously have sadly missed those points.
Thus you are either a: not religious
b: wrongly religous
c: an angry person hiding behind the internet
d: some other whacked up crazy
Its people like you that make me sick.
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LOL
Hmm... religion. What does it teach? Morals? What you should do and should not do? Sure... let me list down what Christianity and Islam teach. (sorry for the lack of diversity these two religions are the only holy books I've read before)
Christianity (I shall label it as C in future). When your enemy smites you on the left, turn the other cheek and tell him to hwack him there. It means that C promotes peace and nonviolence.
Islam (I shall label it as L in future). An eye for an eye. It means that when someone whacks you at let's say the groin and render you impotent, does it mean that it gives you the right to make him impotent too? No! I mean. I do agree with this principle when it comes to murder and such but on small crimes... maybe a little too extreme. Not to mention that eye and heart surgeons will be rendered blind and dead too. Like Ghandi said if an eye for an eye really was in effect, the world would be blind, lame and deaf.
C. Thou shalt not steal, lie, cheat, kill (includes insulting others) blah blah blah. Makes sense to me and the general people too.
I. About the same.
More will be included in the future cos I need to haul my ass for TUITION (O Levels suck. -.-) -
Originally posted by NEWater:LOL
Hmm... religion. What does it teach? Morals? What you shouold do and should not do? Sure... let me list down what Christianity and Islam teach. (sorry for the lack of diversity these two religions are the only holy books I've read before)
Christianity (I shall label it as C in future). When your enemy smites you on the left, turn the other cheek and tell him to hwack him there. It means that C promotes peace and nonviolence.
Islam (I shall label it as L in future). An eye for an eye. It means that when someone whacks you at let's say the groin and render you impotent, does it mean that it gives you the right to make him impotent too? No! I mean. I do agree with this principle when it comes to murder and such but on small crimes... maybe a little too extreme. Not to mention that eye and heart surgeons will be rendered blind and dead too. Like Ghandi said if an eye for an eye really was in effect, the world would be blind, lame and deaf.
C. Thou shalt not steal, lie, cheat, kill (includes insulting others) blah blah blah. Makes sense to me and the general people too.
I. About the same.
More will be included in the future cos I need to haul my ass for TUITION (O Levels suck. -.-)
I have to damit that a very LITERAL reading of the 2 major religions does expose far too much of smiting and killing going on to back up my claim of "finer points" being taught.
The important thing is to look beyond those portions and find the more civilised parts, a lot of the "good" books are also about just getting along peacefully...
Humans have come such a long way and it really doesn't give us any credit at all to still be talking about whose religion is better and who must die for believeing something else. There are much more important things to be worried about...
P.S Doesnt the bible mention the "eye for an eye" bit too? I thought
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The an eye for an eye bit came from the Bible... yes. That is true. BUT. That was in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus was there and he told his followers to turn the other cheek. It IS obvious that Juadism follow the Old Testament only and still worship Moses because they deny Jesus and so do the Muslims who also deny Jesus and stick to the An Eye for an Eye thing.Originally posted by awestruck:P.S Doesnt the bible mention the "eye for an eye" bit too? I thought
thats where the concept came from...
P.S. I'm gonna add more aspects to both religions I'm too shagged. Two tuitions in less than 5 hours. ZzzZzzz -
not to forget. jesus died on the cross, for redemption of mankind who are hopeless case. muhhamad? blah. and islam deeper teaching shows tt christianity and islam isn't the same their koran is from the book of moses. the torah. ten commandments and stuff.
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Unfortunately thats precisely what im against. Too literal an interpretation of any religion is a bad thing. These words came from centuries ago, times were different then. Religious intolerence is such an ugly thing to see in people of the 21st century. Granted we dont have colonies on Mars and flying cars but surely we can recognise the intrinsic value of another religion. Religions basically teach people good things and thus all religions are basically good. We're not in the Middle Ages anymore where we were afraid of invading heretics. Putting down another religion is just plain ignorant and rather arrogant.Originally posted by NEWater:The an eye for an eye bit came from the Bible... yes. That is true. BUT. That was in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus was there and he told his followers to turn the other cheek. It IS obvious that Juadism follow the Old Testament only and still worship Moses because they deny Jesus and so do the Muslims who also deny Jesus and stick to the An Eye for an Eye thing.
P.S. I'm gonna add more aspects to both religions I'm too shagged. Two tuitions in less than 5 hours. ZzzZzzz -
Hello Kyas,
Your three postings on 21 January 2003 remains without any impressions left on me, and merely confirms my last reply to you, and that is
Religion (and GOD) is created by MAN
Yusuf Islam (aka Cat Stevens) is the epitome of a typical Western Man, who is disenchanted and bored by his own familiar culture and society; and fell into romantic embrace of a foreign culture that mystify him. He is by no means an intelligent person, although he is creative in his songs, which reflects largely his own disappointment with his own life, culture, society, and family life.
Gary Miller (aka Abdul-Ahad-Omar) is no great Philosopher- Thinker, whom one can place beside Homer, Karl Marx, Bertrand Russell, or other similar radical dissident luminaries of their own period.
Your writing confirms the fact that Religion is dependent on Human Recording of some Human visions of events that is awe-inspiring.
To name a few, some of these Human Religious Records are the Jewish Torah, the Islamic Koran, the Bible, (which translate the Jewish Torah into readable English language – but carry with it the writings of Jesus’ Disciples as reflected in the New Testament).
The practice of religion in this Twenty-First Century is still dependent on the Human Interpretation of these Ancient Writings, by some Human Being appointed as a Religious Leader - by some Inner Council of Other Humans, whose own appointments are questionable.
Whether the Religions concerned are Anglican, Methodist, Protestants, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Jewry, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, Shintoism, and all other Human Faiths – they are all dependent on some HUMAN Interpretation of Phenomena.
Much of your writing confirms my stated position, in which you have written the close observation of the customary practices as interpreted from your Koran.
The “Big Bang Theory” confirms Man’s continuous search for an answer to his vain quest to find out his origin, his purpose on this earth, and his destiny.
The fact that research and knowledge coincide, does not confirm the correctness of one religion or its superiority over the others.
It merely confirms that the Human Mind is the same regardless of Religion adopted or followed or observed or practiced.
When a Society adopts an ‘Ancient Religion’ and allow it to advocate the suppression of any member of its own Human Race – by the evil and narrow minded interpretation of HISTORICAL records – it merely show the inadequacy of that Society to deal with the social, political, economic, and religious challenges of the Twenty-First Century that its society is facing. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
alamak.. haven pray Isyak yet..
Hello Kyas,
Your three postings on 21 January 2003 remains without any impressions left on me, and merely confirms my last reply to you, and that is
[b]Religion (and GOD) is created by MAN
Yusuf Islam (aka Cat Stevens) is the epitome of a typical Western Man, who is disenchanted and bored by his own familiar culture and society; and fell into romantic embrace of a foreign culture that mystify him. He is by no means an intelligent person, although he is creative in his songs, which reflects largely his own disappointment with his own life, culture, society, and family life.
Gary Miller (aka Abdul-Ahad-Omar) is no great Philosopher- Thinker, whom one can place beside Homer, Karl Marx, Bertrand Russell, or other similar dissident luminaries of their own period.
Your writing confirms the fact that Religion is dependent on Human Recording of some Human visions of events that is awe-inspiring.
To name a few, some of these Human Religious Records are the Jewish Torah, the Islamic Koran, the Bible, (which translate the Jewish Torah into readable English language – but carry with it the writings of Jesus’ Disciples as reflected in the New Testament).
The practice of religion in this Twenty-First Century is still dependent on the Human Interpretation of these Writings, by some Human Being appointed as a Religious Leader - by some Inner Council of Other Humans, whose own appointments are questionable.
Whether the Religions concerned are Anglican, Methodist, Protestants, Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Jewry, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, Shintoism, and all other Human Faiths – they are all dependent on some HUMAN Interpretation of Phenomena.
Much of your writing confirms my stated position, in which you have written the close observation of the customary practices as interpreted from your Koran.
The “Big Bang Theory” confirms Man’s continuous search for an answer to his vain quest to find out his origin, his purpose on this earth, and his destiny.
The fact that research and knowledge coincide, does not confirm the correctness of one religion or its superiority over the others.
It merely confirms that the Human Mind is the same regardless of Religion adopted or followed or observed or practiced.
When a Society adopts an ‘Ancient Religion’ and allow it to advocate the suppression of any member of its own Human Race – by the evil and narrow minded interpretation of HISTORICAL records – it merely show the inadequacy of that Society to deal with the social, political, economic, and religious challenges of the Twenty-First Century that its society is facing.
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____________________________________________________Originally posted by Master -_-:alamak.. haven pray Isyak yet..
Sorry, are you referring to "Heaven" or "Haven"...???
Whom shall pray to who...??? or should I write - "who shall pray to whom...???"
"Haven" pray to "Isyak"... or are you trying to say "Heaven pray to Isyak" ??? -
which still does not make any sense...
Don't let your fingers run faster then your mind's eye.
I doubt if you have considered my postings with an open mind, but prefer to sit on your safe side of the majority. -
Just to say a piece of my mind after reading so much articles on this issue...
First thing first, when one believe in a religion, he have to believe everything tat the source had said. For example if u r a Christian, u have to fully believe the bible. If u r a Muslim, u have to fully believe the Quran. (Hence source = bibles, Quran, scriptures etc) One cannot say he believe the Quran for certain chapters, the following phrases and not believe in the rest. Why can't one do selective believing ? Because it means u already believe tat the source isnÂ’t always correct, and may make u think logically why canÂ’t one eat pork or one have to cover the head till the ears etcÂ… The source must act almost like a history textbook, it tells u wat had actually happened in the past. If I am not wrong, Muslim and Christian tell almost the same tale till Christ, tales like Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, World is created by 7 days etc. FranklyÂ… They sound too close to being mere folk stories, legends to me. I cannot believe tat the Earth was once a garden for Adam and Eve, or tat Eve was created out of a ribcage, or a devil disguised as a snake pursuading Adam to eat the fruit or Wisdom. There r too many flaws, too childish, too idealistic to be true. Just think logically, scientifically when u read those stories again. DoesnÂ’t tat sounds like fairytales ? If u believe them, why doesnÂ’t u believe in Chinese folktales or Indian folktales too ?
I like the story about the knife and asking too much questions etc in kayaÂ’s tale... but if we do not ask for prove before believing, then we r being blind and ignorance, and easily get cheated. One should not just accept things blindly without questioning. Tat is why science is so interesting as it asked people to support their claims with proof, and it must be ALWAYS true in the given situation and conditions. I believe kyak believe in science as the real truth too, as he compared the Quran AGAINST the big bang theory. In other words, if science proves it, then it is the truth. In tat caseÂ… why donÂ’t people believe in science totally ? Why canÂ’t they believe in DarwinÂ’s evolution theory, Big Bang Theory and a freak case of coincidence tat creates life instead of some Supreme Being which we never see, never hear and never proven to exists, probably cooked up by people with strange dreams, or schizophrenic, who creates human to be his toys or entertainment and now doing nothing but giving believers favours and advantages while condemning the others.
About his tale of the man knowing your father, I have to say tat it is true in a certain sense. It is only true if he say everything is correct. He can say 100 true things about your father, but it only takes one false statement to know he is telling a lie. If your father has a gigantic mole on his nose the size of a fist from birth, and he claims your father has none, than u can say he is lying to u. U can only say tat statement is correct, but u cannot say the whole Quran is true. I donÂ’t know about Quran but for the bible, they claim tat the Earth revolves around the sun. Of course now it is common sense tat is obviously wrong. Tat alone can discredit the whole bible and everything in it. One might say isnÂ’t tat too strict ? No. Laws of physics, chemistry is capable to withstand tat test, and tat distinguish itself from religion. The Quran tells of so many things, it is pure coincidental tat one of them match with science. And from your statement (21:30), tat is too vague to explain anything. Chinese too tell of a story of a giant Pang Gu separating the sky and earthÂ… does tat means we all have to believe tat it is true ? -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Just to say a piece of my mind after reading so much articles on this issue...
First thing first, when one believe in a religion, he have to believe everything tat the source had said. For example if u r a Christian, u have to fully believe the bible. If u r a Muslim, u have to fully believe the Quran. (Hence source = bibles, Quran, scriptures etc) One cannot say he believe the Quran for certain chapters, the following phrases and not believe in the rest. Why can't one do selective believing ? Because it means u already believe tat the source isnÂ’t always correct, and may make u think logically why canÂ’t one eat pork or one have to cover the head till the ears etcÂ… The source must act almost like a history textbook, it tells u wat had actually happened in the past. If I am not wrong, Muslim and Christian tell almost the same tale till Christ, tales like Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, World is created by 7 days etc. FranklyÂ… They sound too close to being mere folk stories, legends to me. I cannot believe tat the Earth was once a garden for Adam and Eve, or tat Eve was created out of a ribcage, or a devil disguised as a snake pursuading Adam to eat the fruit or Wisdom. There r too many flaws, too childish, too idealistic to be true. Just think logically, scientifically when u read those stories again. DoesnÂ’t tat sounds like fairytales ? If u believe them, why doesnÂ’t u believe in Chinese folktales or Indian folktales too ?
I like the story about the knife and asking too much questions etc in kayaÂ’s tale... but if we do not ask for prove before believing, then we r being blind and ignorance, and easily get cheated. One should not just accept things blindly without questioning. Tat is why science is so interesting as it asked people to support their claims with proof, and it must be ALWAYS true in the given situation and conditions. I believe kyak believe in science as the real truth too, as he compared the Quran AGAINST the big bang theory. In other words, if science proves it, then it is the truth. In tat caseÂ… why donÂ’t people believe in science totally ? Why canÂ’t they believe in DarwinÂ’s evolution theory, Big Bang Theory and a freak case of coincidence tat creates life instead of some Supreme Being which we never see, never hear and never proven to exists, probably cooked up by people with strange dreams, or schizophrenic, who creates human to be his toys or entertainment and now doing nothing but giving believers favours and advantages while condemning the others.
About his tale of the man knowing your father, I have to say tat it is true in a certain sense. It is only true if he say everything is correct. He can say 100 true things about your father, but it only takes one false statement to know he is telling a lie. If your father has a gigantic mole on his nose the size of a fist from birth, and he claims your father has none, than u can say he is lying to u. U can only say tat statement is correct, but u cannot say the whole Quran is true. I donÂ’t know about Quran but for the bible, they claim tat the Earth revolves around the sun. Of course now it is common sense tat is obviously wrong. Tat alone can discredit the whole bible and everything in it. One might say isnÂ’t tat too strict ? No. Laws of physics, chemistry is capable to withstand tat test, and tat distinguish itself from religion. The Quran tells of so many things, it is pure coincidental tat one of them match with science. And from your statement (21:30), tat is too vague to explain anything. Chinese too tell of a story of a giant Pang Gu separating the sky and earthÂ… does tat means we all have to believe tat it is true ?
I like ur style!! You very obviously like science, good for you. However you seem to be very rigidly against religions for their inconsistencies. Not so good...
Religion has an intrinsic value system that science, so far, cannot provide. No experiment can tell you if it is good or bad to hurt someone. In fact there is no such thing as good or bad in science, just results. Im guessing you'll be saying "But isnt it obvious that hurting people is bad??"
I'll repeat myself With a vigorously scientific system there can be no answer. If you think about it...the stigma towards acts that are "bad" is entirely based on religion. I dare say that without concepts of good and bad from religion the world as we know it would be a very different place.
You disagree with the concept of selectively accepting religion. Then you go on to say that one must not blindly believe. I would dare say that the concept of the selective acceptance of religion represents questioning and the improving of religion. It is so true that one must not blindly believe. Recognise that the value of religion is not to provide every single answer to everything. It is the belief and hope that there is something better in this world that we can aspire to be.
You ask why dont people believe utterly in science. If we really did that...then would you argue that we must believe everything that the great big source book of science says? If man had stuck to believing everything in his science textbooks then we would never have gotten anywhere. Thankfully people are starting to realise it's the same with religion...
I humbly suggest that you tone down your disregard (though personally i think it's closer to contempt) for religion and realise that some people will always choose to seek answers in their own special way.
Complete utter faith in anything is fanaticism.
P.S. - Concerning Darwinism...Im
not being Creationist here...but if i remember correctly arent there rather large holes in the theory? I cant remember where i read it from but i just thought I'd tell you as ur obviously interested in science. Do some searching on the internet, im sure you'll find it... -
Creationism? Lol.
According to Darwinism, the earth is dont know how many billion years old.
If the earth is truly many billion years old, how do you explain the pressure of the oil underneath the ground, which is estimated to be a few thousand years old? Hmm....
Darwinism describes you being a cosmic joke. "The earth was at the just right position in the solar system with the just right temperature of the sun with the just right ratio of oxygen in the air with the just right....."
And it may seem out of point, but the one thing i truly respect and admire about Islam is their law for hospitality. "If a man enters your tent and eats your salt, you must guard him with your life." That might explain why the Taliban didn't hand Mr. bin Laden over. -
the earth is only 6000+ years old la. the bible says it liaoz. plus, nature proves it.
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Yah. So... we screw Darwinism.
If Darwinism is real, we should be hugging the monkeys and the fish saying, "Oh... my forefather!!!" and inviting the fishes for reunion dinner this coming Friday.... but in reality we're inviting them to be eaten. -
Ha! Ha!. What a joke Whoever posted this had suceeded in luring the offended parties to come out to party 
The antagonistic post had suceeded It had acheived unnecessary hatred & the context had develope religiously So entertaining 
Generally, don't bother what it is, only cult teaches us bad. Don't bother about racist, we are racist once we start critising other race and religious.
Please, no offence to all but really, the paper had also said so i.e Are Singapore Malay being marginalised? This issue should not have happened if there is no such happening in the working place And don't come attacking me I had my fun for the last couple of days.....it was entertaining -
I do not believe that in following totally in whatever religion you believe in, you can become a true follower. While appreciating the finer aspects of our respective religions, we must discern fact from fiction and realise that someone, somewhere must have written down those religious books in a time when science was not so developed and knowledge was only that shallow. . .now, with the power of science and technology for us to harness, we must of course continue to follow the basic moral values taught by our religions but at the same time, learn that there are some things in thise world that are perhaps better explained by science then by religion. . .
NO OFFENCE IS MEANT. . . AND PLEASE WHEN SUCH THINS ARE MENTIONED. . . DO NOT SINGLE OUT THE RELIGIONS OF OTHERS. . .
btw, just for information sake, I'm buddhist. . . -
another thing I wanna add, we are venturing into very dangerous and sensitive ground in this thread. . ., people please be careful about the words you choose. . .
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The narrowness of the Human Mind is infinite, and has been the cause of ignorance, misunderstandings, disputes, wars, and plain pig headed pride.
Religion was supposed to guide Mankind out of its narrow thinking, yet ManÂ’s narrow mind remains unable to take a quantum leap out of the box that traps itself.
What difference is there between Religions from another?
The various religious philosophies, principles, and tenets are all about the same in defining the Human Life on this earthly world.
The difference is Time that each came into being.
The other difference is how the Human differentiate the “Forms” from the “Substance” of the Religion, and how its emphasis of each component is imposed on the tolerance perimeters of other Non-Practitioners or Non-Believers.
Since Religion is supposed to be all encompassing in Human Activities – cultural, social, economic, political, and philosophical – how can one not avoid including Religion in a Topic such as this?
Religion is NOT the cause of most problems in this world.
It is the Human Interpretation of Religious Teachings or Philosophies or Principles, that are the cause of human sufferings. -
In olden days, people worshipped from stone to universe. They to have something to draw there faith from to explain things which was unexplainable wiithout science. Subsequently, when human are smarter, they were also worshipped because of their their goodness. For those who are bad, they are even pray to devil.
Anyway cut it short, in science age, you can't find those diety or god and devils written in the books. So its all faith in you.
BTW, they say cannot bring pork to Pulua Tekong, when I was younger, we brought "Bua Kua - Pork" to makan everynight, where is the "hantu"? I guess it was scard of us instead or it is non-existence and stories are man made to keep the recuit in camp from from AWOL.
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hahah... we believe that they all came from the same source... the one God... that is why the content is quite the same... we believe in Jesus and Bible... we believe in Moses and Torah... Just the same like we believe in Adam... we believe that from time to time the God sent a Messanger to correct whatever He thinks should be corrected due to deviation from the true teaching... and Muhamad is the last Prophet... no more prophets... it is not that any of them copy the other...Originally posted by dumbdumb!:not to forget. jesus died on the cross, for redemption of mankind who are hopeless case. muhhamad? blah. and islam deeper teaching shows tt christianity and islam isn't the same their koran is from the book of moses. the torah. ten commandments and stuff.
I am not saying which religion is right which religion is wrong. each one of us has the right to look for the truth. i just stated what i believe. -
so? i am confused... which one of them is correct? the new or the old testament? and correction, we did not deny Jesus... we believe in Jesus... and the true teaching he brought... Jesus is mentioned so many times in the Koran...Originally posted by NEWater:The an eye for an eye bit came from the Bible... yes. That is true. BUT. That was in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus was there and he told his followers to turn the other cheek. It IS obvious that Juadism follow the Old Testament only and still worship Moses because they deny Jesus and so do the Muslims who also deny Jesus and stick to the An Eye for an Eye thing.
P.S. I'm gonna add more aspects to both religions I'm too shagged. Two tuitions in less than 5 hours. ZzzZzzz
in Islam... yes it is ok to 'eye for an eye' but it is better for you to forgive... please do not forget to mentioned 'forgiveness' part... ok?
need clarification? if someone push your head... it is ok to push his head back... but better if u you can forgive him... -
Hehehe... I like the replies recently... I got a religion too... Anti religion
Anyway about the concept of morals, it is true tat science doesn't really teach u about things like returning a found purse or giving up your seat for the old folks. However by probability, if u do more good things, and tat make more people do more things, the chances tat one do good things to u will increase Tat is why I try to do more good things as much as I felt capable to do... Anyway the law does provide something to prevent us from doing something too bad
Anyway... Earth is billions of years old !!! Dinosaur bones proves them !! about 6000 years is probably when human invent writing !!! ANyway oil aren't thousands of years old only
Well... Darwin does explain something like why your little toe is getting more and more useless... and some part of your organ (appendices... gall ) seems to be fading away and why people reproduce (to make better offspring) concept of beauty (genes pool) and the digging up of old bodies of Man in some cold places tat look like half man, half apes... The last point seems to be the best proof as they r using tools (only human use tools) and they r older than 6000 !!! If u believe in genes, DNA, than u have to believe in Darwin Evolution theory !!! -
What's the point of taking pride in our knowledge and use it to assume a position of arrogance? We'll all have to die someday, irregardless of what you believe.
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a plausible comparison for the Quran, Islam and Muslim... It is like the Singapore constitution, Singapore and Singaporean. If you are a Singaporean, can u not believe the Singapore laws? can you deny them?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Just to say a piece of my mind after reading so much articles on this issue...
First thing first, when one believe in a religion, he have to believe everything tat the source had said. For example if u r a Christian, u have to fully believe the bible. If u r a Muslim, u have to fully believe the Quran. (Hence source = bibles, Quran, scriptures etc) One cannot say he believe the Quran for certain chapters, the following phrases and not believe in the rest. Why can't one do selective believing ? Because it means u already believe tat the source isnÂ’t always correct, and may make u think logically why canÂ’t one eat pork or one have to cover the head till the ears etcÂ… The source must act almost like a history textbook, it tells u wat had actually happened in the past. If I am not wrong, Muslim and Christian tell almost the same tale till Christ, tales like Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, World is created by 7 days etc. FranklyÂ… They sound too close to being mere folk stories, legends to me. I cannot believe tat the Earth was once a garden for Adam and Eve, or tat Eve was created out of a ribcage, or a devil disguised as a snake pursuading Adam to eat the fruit or Wisdom. There r too many flaws, too childish, too idealistic to be true. Just think logically, scientifically when u read those stories again. DoesnÂ’t tat sounds like fairytales ? If u believe them, why doesnÂ’t u believe in Chinese folktales or Indian folktales too ?
I like the story about the knife and asking too much questions etc in kayaÂ’s tale... but if we do not ask for prove before believing, then we r being blind and ignorance, and easily get cheated. One should not just accept things blindly without questioning. Tat is why science is so interesting as it asked people to support their claims with proof, and it must be ALWAYS true in the given situation and conditions. I believe kyak believe in science as the real truth too, as he compared the Quran AGAINST the big bang theory. In other words, if science proves it, then it is the truth. In tat caseÂ… why donÂ’t people believe in science totally ? Why canÂ’t they believe in DarwinÂ’s evolution theory, Big Bang Theory and a freak case of coincidence tat creates life instead of some Supreme Being which we never see, never hear and never proven to exists, probably cooked up by people with strange dreams, or schizophrenic, who creates human to be his toys or entertainment and now doing nothing but giving believers favours and advantages while condemning the others.
About his tale of the man knowing your father, I have to say tat it is true in a certain sense. It is only true if he say everything is correct. He can say 100 true things about your father, but it only takes one false statement to know he is telling a lie. If your father has a gigantic mole on his nose the size of a fist from birth, and he claims your father has none, than u can say he is lying to u. U can only say tat statement is correct, but u cannot say the whole Quran is true. I donÂ’t know about Quran but for the bible, they claim tat the Earth revolves around the sun. Of course now it is common sense tat is obviously wrong. Tat alone can discredit the whole bible and everything in it. One might say isnÂ’t tat too strict ? No. Laws of physics, chemistry is capable to withstand tat test, and tat distinguish itself from religion. The Quran tells of so many things, it is pure coincidental tat one of them match with science. And from your statement (21:30), tat is too vague to explain anything. Chinese too tell of a story of a giant Pang Gu separating the sky and earthÂ… does tat means we all have to believe tat it is true ?
Darwin theory - so many critics... still so many questions... therefore not credible.
Why did they found so many skeletons? the dinasours... the homo sapien... the ... bla.. bla.. whatever... were they mentioned in Quran?
Yes.. they were mentioned. Before Adam was brought to earth as the leader (khalifah), he was tought by God the names of alll things and living things on earth. (Al-Baqarah:31).
So... the Quran support the idea that all those pre historic creatures existed... even long before Adam was sent to earth they are already living creatures on earth.
I am sure you have read the Bible... why don't you try to read the Quran... so that you can make a clearer comparison. Do not worry... it won't bite you... hehhe. -
you are 100% right...Originally posted by laser51088:I do not believe that in following totally in whatever religion you believe in, you can become a true follower. While appreciating the finer aspects of our respective religions, we must discern fact from fiction and realise that someone, somewhere must have written down those religious books in a time when science was not so developed and knowledge was only that shallow. . .now, with the power of science and technology for us to harness, we must of course continue to follow the basic moral values taught by our religions but at the same time, learn that there are some things in thise world that are perhaps better explained by science then by religion. . .
NO OFFENCE IS MEANT. . . AND PLEASE WHEN SUCH THINS ARE MENTIONED. . . DO NOT SINGLE OUT THE RELIGIONS OF OTHERS. . .