More protest marches break out in Burma
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
China has to make a positive public stand in line with the opinions of the other world communities.
[b]Beijing warns Burmese generals against repression
Rowan Callick, China correspondent | September 26, 2007
BURMA'S chief ally, China, has let Rangoon know that it cannot provide even moral support for any repression of the wave of protests led by Buddhist monks.
At the start of the year, China and Russia vetoed a UN Security Council resolution directing the Secretary-General to open negotiations with the Burmese regime, in part because of China's longstanding opposition to international interference in "domestic affairs".
Now, on the same principle, it is declining to offer public backing for the generals.
However, the Chinese Government is also urging the regime to resolve its challenges without resorting to force and thus risking dragging the country and its neighbours - it shares a 1700km border with China - into an imbroglio.
Much of the West applies diplomatic and political sanctions against Burma's junta for its refusal to restore democracy, but Chinese aid - along with oil and gas revenues it receives - undercuts any leverage they might have had.
Burma has been moving handily within the Chinese sphere of influence, providing it with a valuable route to the Indian Ocean and thus to the energy flows from the Middle East.
A fortnight ago, former foreign minister and frequent presidential envoy Tang Jiaxuan, besides urging Burma to "push forward a democracy process that is appropriate for the country", also backed the generals' plan to move towards a market economy - reinforcing the influence of China as their key development model.
Large numbers of Chinese businesspeople, technicians and workers have begun moving to Burma for lengthy periods. Three Burmese cities, Lashio, Mandalay and Muse, have been described as "virtually Chinese cities now", and China is building a tax-free export zone for its own industries, next to the port of Rangoon.
The Chinese media are handling the Burmese protests with great caution, as they usually do when reporting movements against any governments. But the Chinese official newsagency Xinhua reported that the number of demonstrators has swollen over the past week, and that monks, "joined by larger crowds of young civilians, marched peacefully through Rangoon".
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22481995-25837,00.html[/b]
Not to do so will place them too closely with the Myanmar military junta, and their ambition of hosting a successful Olympic in 2008 will be jeopardised.
Unfortunately, China will not put more weight behind the polite words, and as matters have developed up till this hour, one monk was 'accidentally' shot, and two other succumbed to the beatings.
The methods used by the Myanmar Military Junta - in the name of peace and order - is no different from our Singapore Government, with both having serious self-interest to protect from any civilian disobedience campaign. -
its ok, US & EU doesn't really rate ASEAN Forum much...heck even bbc and cnn doesn't give much coverage during its annual meeting process.. thats y they invited the 3 'Giants' from the North East Asia and made it Asean + 3 forum..Originally posted by will4:I think the Burmese govt will be deep trouble considering the fact they caused an embarassment to ASEAN.
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U can;t really expect UN to remove the junta. Start another war?Originally posted by Icemoon:But this is not what the monks and people wanted.
One side wants to remove the junta; the UN wants to work with the junta.
To work with, and to influence them is properly the best method -
??Originally posted by will4:If u come to take a look at the whole situation, the generals were lucky that the crowd never consist of people armed with weapon that they can used
against the riot cops.
it's a peaceful demo lead by monks. U want the monks to carry guns? If they do that, the junta wun even need to wait till now to do something. they'll have all the excuse in the world to shoot -
any updates? was on my way when i caught a quick glance that junta were arresting abt 300 monks
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hmmm .... you can expect a pile of crap on you, Atobe. Because the only way to bury your pile of bullshit is my crap!!!!Originally posted by Atobe:[b]
Unfortunately, it takes pile of crap to make the earth good.
What else can we expect from The GoodEarth but crap ? -
Originally posted by Atobe:China has to make a positive public stand in line with the opinions of the other world communities.
China is bull-shitting just like you. You forgot Tiananmen??? You forgot Tibet????
Not to do so will place them too closely with the Myanmar military junta, and their ambition of hosting a successful Olympic in 2008 will be jeopardised.
Just hypocritical like you.
Unfortunately, China will not put more weight behind the polite words, and as matters have developed up till this hour, one monk was 'accidentally' shot, and two other succumbed to the beatings.
It has no moral authority based on its authoritarianism!!
The methods used by the Myanmar Military Junta - in the name of peace and order - is no different from our Singapore Government, with both having serious self-interest to protect from any civilian disobedience campaign.
yayaya, payaya again. Everything you spill must be related to SG gahmen. Hmmm.. seems like you have a lot of relations!!!!! -
Should we be surprised that you do recognise bull-shi.t ?Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:
Quote: Originally posted by Atobe:China has to make a positive public stand in line with the opinions of the other world communities.
China is bull-shitting just like you. You forgot Tiananmen??? You forgot Tibet????
Afterall, only the pile of crap that makes 'The GoodEarth' will know what bull-shi.t is all about.
Did you forget your own political vibes ?
What gives between you and Tiananmen ?
Did you leave some crap there that got rolled flat by the tanks, or did someone light up your crap during the night of Tianamen ?
Did you forget that Tibet and Tianamen was generations from the present Leadership, as much as PM LHL is from the leadership of LKY ?
With you identifying yourself so closely with the 'SG gahmen' - can anyone not resist pouring more crap to make the earth better ?
Not to do so will place them too closely with the Myanmar military junta, and their ambition of hosting a successful Olympic in 2008 will be jeopardised.
Just hypocritical like you.[/quote]
Are you showing your vibes now ?
Are you having some trouble in seeing your own hypocrisy in others which you so cleverly try to suppress within yourself ?
Unfortunately, China will not put more weight behind the polite words, and as matters have developed up till this hour, one monk was 'accidentally' shot, and two other succumbed to the beatings.
It has no moral authority based on its authoritarianism!!
By the weight of your crap, do you have any moral authority to pass any comments at anything ?
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The methods used by the Myanmar Military Junta - in the name of peace and order - is no different from our Singapore Government, with both having serious self-interest to protect from any civilian disobedience campaign.
yayaya, payaya again. Everything you spill must be related to SG gahmen. Hmmm.. seems like you have a lot of relations!!!!! -
Singapore News
SINGAPORE : Singapore has urged Myanmar authorities to admit UN Special Envoy Ibrahim Gambari into the country and grant him full access to all players there.
The Foreign Affairs Ministry says Singapore welcomes the decision of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to send Mr Gambari to Myanmar.
In a statement, MFA says Singapore fully supports any initiative by the UN which would help defuse the situation.
It adds that a peaceful resolution to the situation in Myanmar will require the cooperation and involvement of all parties, including the military.
MFA says the UN offers the best hope for a peaceful resolution of the situation.
And it calls on the Myanmar authorities to take advantage of Mr Gambari's planned visit to defuse the situation.
The situation in Myanmar affects all ASEAN countries.
And Singapore hopes that Myanmar authorities and all other parties in the country will appreciate the broader implications of their actions on the region and act accordingly.
The MFA statement adds that Singapore is deeply troubled and concerned by reports that the demonstrations in Yangon have been suppressed by force.
And it urges Myanmar authorities to exercise utmost restraint.
Singapore's Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo, who is currently in New York for the UN General Assembly session, has applauded the decision by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to send Mr Gambari on this mission.
He urged all parties in Myanmar to work towards national reconciliation.
Mr Yeo had spoken to Mr Gambari in New York and assured him of Singapore's full support.
MFA adds that the UN Security Council intends to conduct consultations on the situation in Myanmar.
In his capacity as the current Chairman of the ASEAN Standing Committee, Mr Yeo is currently consulting with Foreign Minister Hassan Wirajuda of Indonesia, which is now a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council, and other ASEAN members.
Meanwhile, Singapore's Foreign Ministry has advised Singaporeans planning to travel to Myanmar to closely monitor media reports before travelling there.
Singaporeans travelling to the country are advised to register with the MFA on its website.
This will allow MFA and the Singapore Embassy in Yangon to contact Singaporeans who are there and render assistance, if necessary.
MFA and the embassy in Yangon are monitoring the situation closely.
Singaporeans already in Myanmar are advised to closely monitor media reports on the situation.
MFA says they should take the necessary precautions for their personal safety, including remaining in a safe location and avoiding areas where there may be trouble.
Meanwhile, Myanmar nationals in Singapore have been keeping up to date with developments back home through whatever means they can.
Most have been glued to the latest news on Channel NewsAsia while others gather to monitor blogs from Myanmar and get the latest updates from each other.
Flights from Yangon to Singapore have been packed over the past few weeks while demand for seats to the Myanmar city is less popular, according to travel agents.
"I can't do anything when I go home. The best thing is to just stay here. If anything, I will call my family to come here," says one Myanmar national who is in Singapore. - CNA/ls/de
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More wayang from the MIW when they cannot state openly what others have been saying in more strident ways.
Can the MIW say anything stronger without jeopardizing their million dollars worth of investments in Myanmar ? -
Well, time to make a decision.Originally posted by Atobe:More wayang from the MIW when they cannot state openly what others have been saying in more strident ways.
Can the MIW say anything stronger without jeopardizing their million dollars worth of investments in Myanmar ?
Investments wise..we cannot entirely discount the fact that engagement does improve the situation a bit, especially in Mandalay and Sittwe.
What is needed is a twin-pronged approach by the international community. Invest in the people and insist on certain conditions to be met. -
U have details of Temasek's investments in Burma?Originally posted by Atobe:More wayang from the MIW when they cannot state openly what others have been saying in more strident ways.
Can the MIW say anything stronger without jeopardizing their million dollars worth of investments in Myanmar ? -
Try googling and you will get a list to drool over...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:U have details of Temasek's investments in Burma? -
hahaha, you are right!Originally posted by Atobe:Try googling and you will get a list to drool over...
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tsk tsk tsk, take Singaporeans money and give it to foreigners and refuse to pay an annuity to the very aged Singaporeans... while taking so much public money for themselves... tsk tsk tsk...
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Is there another job on earth where boffins are paid million-dollar salaries to put their cronies in charge of investment bungles worth billions?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, time to make a decision.
Investments wise..we cannot entirely discount the fact that engagement does improve the situation a bit, especially in Mandalay and Sittwe.
What is needed is a twin-pronged approach by the international community. Invest in the people and insist on certain conditions to be met.
Going by the legendary "foresight" of the inept minions this regime has tasked to handle public funds (from "Suzhou" in China to "Optus" in Australia, the Thaksin debacle in Thailand to the telco fiasco in Indonesia - and all that before any potential "portfolio-booster" coming up in Myanmmar), one could indeed be forgiven for thinking Kaesong (and perhaps, the DPRK at large) is the next big thing for investors.
Amazing to think there're actually folks who question the necessity on the need for checks on a regime whose investments funded by public-funds are as credible as Nick Leeson's trading. -
Already have reports of warning shots fired that hit and killed people.
The military is confident it has enough ammunitions. The crackdown has begun. -
It has started.... Have to see how good are bodies against bullets. It's a perverted state of affairs when the military takes action against it's own population.
ASEAN seems to have its hands tied, with its non-meddling-in-other's-affair policy. I managed to catch Malaysia's foreign minister Syed Hamid Albar's interview on tv. Felt like smacking the guy WTH was this guy trying to say? No sanctions, no nothing, so what can he offer? Just hot air? Depending on how ASEAN handles the situation, the organisation may be viewed as a weakling.
Where's US in the picture anyway? Aren't they going to be the US-comes-to-save-the-day action hero? -
i'm curious about burmese people in sg, especially tourists. there's even a myanmar hub at peninsula plaza selling myanmar goods. now, rental there is damn ex, burmese are not known to be well-off and the few rich ones are friends of the junta and the corrupt.
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The present events in Myanmar will be the first test in the efforts by ASEAN to set up a Human Rights mechanism to raise our ASEAN stature on the World Stage.
If ASEAN cannot get their act together and step in to help the Myanmar Government to resolve the situation - then it confirms the views of the World that ASEAN is another Third Rate Regional Organisation that lack moral values.
This hands-off attitude will surely shoot alot of holes into the credibility of Confucian Values, Islamic Values, Budhist Values and Christian Values that are propagated by the respective Governments of the member ASEAN countries. -
they've sent in John Rambo to deal with it...Originally posted by Croaking_Toad:It has started.... Have to see how good are bodies against bullets. It's a perverted state of affairs when the military takes action against it's own population.
ASEAN seems to have its hands tied, with its non-meddling-in-other's-affair policy. I managed to catch Malaysia's foreign minister Syed Hamid Albar's interview on tv. Felt like smacking the guy WTH was this guy trying to say? No sanctions, no nothing, so what can he offer? Just hot air? Depending on how ASEAN handles the situation, the organisation may be viewed as a weakling.
Where's US in the picture anyway? Aren't they going to be the US-comes-to-save-the-day action hero?
u can see it in upcoming RAMBO 4 !
Attacking Soon..
to cinema's near you. -
ha ha Remember the "Dog" house speech.....! (word for word by LHL) where can we find that "House" maybe asean can hide in there.Originally posted by Atobe:The present events in Myanmar will be the first test in the efforts by ASEAN to set up a Human Rights mechanism to raise our ASEAN stature on the World Stage.
If ASEAN cannot get their act together and step in to help the Myanmar Government to resolve the situation - then it confirms the views of the World that ASEAN is another Third Rate Regional Organisation that lack moral values.
This hands-off attitude will surely shoot alot of holes into the credibility of Confucian Values, Islamic Values, Budhist Values and Christian Values that are propagated by the respective Governments of the member ASEAN countries.
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This is a internal civil war...no other country should step in unless to offer diplomacy adviceOriginally posted by Croaking_Toad:It has started.... Have to see how good are bodies against bullets. It's a perverted state of affairs when the military takes action against it's own population.
ASEAN seems to have its hands tied, with its non-meddling-in-other's-affair policy. I managed to catch Malaysia's foreign minister Syed Hamid Albar's interview on tv. Felt like smacking the guy WTH was this guy trying to say? No sanctions, no nothing, so what can he offer? Just hot air? Depending on how ASEAN handles the situation, the organisation may be viewed as a weakling.
Where's US in the picture anyway? Aren't they going to be the US-comes-to-save-the-day action hero? -
At the end of the day ASEAN ties its own hand. true color reflect on each and everyone of SEA countries in a nut shell mind our own business, something happen we have ourselve to blame. We had all these years to work but we tell our selves? who are we pleasing ?Originally posted by Croaking_Toad:ASEAN seems to have its hands tied, with its non-meddling-in-other's-affair policy. I managed to catch Malaysia's foreign minister Syed Hamid Albar's interview on tv. Felt like smacking the guy WTH was this guy trying to say? No sanctions, no nothing, so what can he offer? Just hot air? Depending on how ASEAN handles the situation, the organisation may be viewed as a weakling. -
And that is the essence of four decades of "consensus-building" and not knowing when to move ahead and form a stronger, common values system and ensure that the aims of ASEAN is not hijacked by one or two lil monkeys.Originally posted by Arapahoe:At the end of the day ASEAN ties its own hand. true color reflect on each and everyone of SEA countries in a nut shell mind our own business, something happen we have ourselve to blame. We had all these years to work but we tell our selves? who are we pleasing ?