SG keeping Burma's military rulers and their cronies afloat
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Australia sell what to Burma ? have you check that up ? By the way Australia do sell lot of stuff to Burma - just because the volume is smaller then singapore does that make it right ?Originally posted by qlqq9:Hello, Australia does not sell arms, weapons to Burma but Singapore does. The singapore is helping the disgusting myanmar gahmen to monitor the Myanmar people in Singapore when the world leaders and world communities condemn the evil regime of Myanmar.
If the world communities is condemning evil regime of Myanmar - why is there also Australia business and trade there, isn't that saying one thing and doing another - which is even worst then Singapore.
You have prove that Singapore government is monitoring Myanmar people in Singapore ? If that is so that mean Singapore governement is being mornitored by australia governement ....that is why you know ? By the way, how does singapore government monitoring Myanmar people care to explain more - seem like we do not have that type of manpower to do it ....
So singapore is wrong to sell arms to burma, when the whole whole is all producing arms , if they do not buy from singapore, then they can buy from others. So how many the myanmar gahmen have shot dead so far using singapore arms. How many innocents have australia shot dead so far in iraq ? How many students die in US shooting using US made arms ? Seem a lot more them in 1 year then those kill in mynmar for the past 5 years add together.
Iraq under sadamn have weapon supply to him by US !!! those are the same weapons that let him hold his power and his military might ....!!! -
I wonder what sort of language will you use if your children start to address a white man as their real dad.
What about PAP clique and Singapore mainstream propaganda media Gazelle?
They all pro-ang moh, spread all sorts of propaganda.
What do you have to say about that Gazelle?
They are the best suckers around, not the forum here Gazelle.
Who sings the praises of USA Gazelle?
Who spread pro-USA propaganda in Singapore?
Who send troops to Iraq to support USA invasion and occupation of Iraq?
Who wants USA to have a presence in the region?
I think you know who Gazelle.
You can't run away from this Gazelle.
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Could you quote us some example that support your statement?Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:What about PAP clique and Singapore mainstream propaganda media Gazelle?
They all pro-ang moh, spread all sorts of propaganda.
What do you have to say about that Gazelle?
They are the best suckers around, not the forum here Gazelle.
Who sings the praises of USA Gazelle?
Who spread pro-USA propaganda in Singapore?
Who send troops to Iraq to support USA invasion and occupation of Iraq?
Who wants USA to have a presence in the region?
I think you know who Gazelle.
You can't run away from this Gazelle.
You and I both know who are the real suckers.
As far as I know, Michael Fay was caned in Singapore against US President's wish , while australians were hanged in Changi prison despite PM COWARD plead to Singapore government.
We pro-ang moh? Maybe in the 60s, but not now. As long as there is mutual benefit in our bilateral relationship, I dont think it is call pro whites. -
Don't make me laugh lah Gazelle.
Fay and others commited crimes.
I'm talking about policy.
Sing praises, spread propaganda, send troops to Iraq, military base in singapore, what else you want Gazelle?
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So by ur logic, if everyone is selling cigarette, does it matter if u sell cigarette to a underage kid or not? Since that kid will still buy it from someone else if u dun sell it to kid? Might as well make a earning out of the poor kid misery since that kid is doom to it anyway? Now where is the moral in that? Not only that there is none in it, S'pore goes one big circle and condemn the kid for buying cigarette after selling them. That so hypocritical. So wat if the USA is doing it, so wat if the world is doing it, everyone is doing it doesnt mean it is right and that we must follow it and jump on the band wagon for profit over moral value!! Yes this kinda mind set may seem very naive to you but I do have my own principle and there is something that i will not cross for the seek of $$$ unlike our MIW!Originally posted by storywolf:So singapore is wrong to sell arms to burma, when the whole whole is all producing arms , if they do not buy from singapore, then they can buy from others. So how many the myanmar gahmen have shot dead so far using singapore arms. How many innocents have australia shot dead so far in iraq ? How many students die in US shooting using US made arms ? -
Did the Oil-for-Food program accomplish its mission?Originally posted by storywolf:Only in a perfert world - the sanction is effective, and all country support it which is someting impossible and only happen in dream !
So why do impractical sanctions that is based on dream.
The oil for food program ! That is even worst example - plain day light robbery under the name of justice .come on you got the whole US forces navy and planes are patrolling and trying force the iraq to sell them their oil and in return for food at gun point ! Is it a good deal ? You try to go to your petrol kisok - tell the owner there - you give me petrol and i give you food ! If it is such a good deal - oh i am sure the owner will accept it right !!! .... if you get kick out - that prove one point - it is worst deal , force at gun point misuing justice name. By the way, oil was still smuggle out to selll via syria and other neighbouring countries
. Did the oil for food work ? it just Sadamn still have all the things he need, and enjoying life, the poor suffer more.
Why cannot they do a "sand for food" program instead - which is cheap sand for more expensive food. Why must they "oil for food" expensive oil for cheap food. It is daylight robbery in the name of justice ?
Yes. The mission of the Oil-for-Food program was to address the humanitarian impact of sanctions on the IraqÂ’s citizens, while maintaining their efficacy, which kept the Hussein regime from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. Under the program, enough food was imported to feed all 27 million Iraqis and the average daily caloric intake of the people of Iraq was increased 83 percent, from 1,200 kilocalories to 2,200 kilocalories per person per day. In addition, malnutrition rates in 2002 in the central and southern part of the country were half those in 1996 among children under the age of five; in the three northern governorates, chronic malnutrition decreased 56 percent. The program also contributed to national vaccination campaigns that helped reduce child mortality and eradicated polio in Iraq since May 29, 2003.
As usual, there was fraud everywhere that hampered the program. Saddam used Oil for Food as a way to circumvent economic sanctions, bring in enormous amounts of money and lavish that money on himself and his cronies. -
Is the word - ''country'' - a mere abstract word ?Originally posted by mancha:Some ppl here swallow hook line and sinker whatever crap that is written about against the Singapore.
Its amazing.
As long as its against Singapore, they don't think. They are happy to come across it. They just snatch it and post it here. No question asked.
And its the very same ppl who will demand proof, source or statistics when you refute their immature rantings.
Read more post and you will be able to identify these "Singapore loving" traitors.
What makes a country ?
What will make a country great ?
What gives the country a soul ?
Would it not be the human souls coming together to endeavor in making a community into the greatness of a Nation ?
Can criticising those whom the citizens elect into Political Office, be similar to criticising one's own country and to be considered treachery ?
In any case can crticising one's own country be considered treachery - even if any citicism has been directed at the Country and not at the Government ?
Should it not be that criticising those whom the Citizens have empowered with Political Power - has to be a duty of the Citizens ?
Should not the label 'traitors' be given to those whom citizens have entrusted into Political Office, but will instead sell their conscience for the sake of their own political fortunes ?
'Traitors' are those given the Political Power and will forget the trust that the Citizens have given to them, and will instead attempt to disenfranchise the Citizens of all the Constitutional Rights for their own self-serving interests.
'Traitors' are those who will generously enrich themsleves and yet will be niggardly towards the Citizens who are most in need, and will still demand that the Citizens to contribute to help themselves before help is extended - even as the traitors will help themselves to the wealth of the country.
'Traitors' are those who believe in their superior success and deny their handiwork has resulted in failures existing in the country that they have been entrusted to lead, but will gloat at the few successes amidst the many losses.
'Traitors' are those who will persecute their own, and ignore basic moral conscience to incarcerate citizens in perpetuity without charges and evidence.
Sadly, the word 'Traitors' should be applied to the politically apathetic and yet educated Singaporeans, who will wilfully look aside while those who has been politically empowered will continue to abuse the citizens, and placed Singapore and the Citizens into an uncertain political future. -
Why you defend USA googoomuck? They are aggressors and occupiers, hell bent on expanding their global hegemony.
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Singapore is a tiny island surronded by muslim countries, a USA military base iin Singapore will offer Singapore and ASEAN some sort of securities if anything nasty would to happen to this region.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Don't make me laugh lah Gazelle.
Fay and others commited crimes.
I'm talking about policy.
Sing praises, spread propaganda, send troops to Iraq, military base in singapore, what else you want Gazelle?
Why you defend number 1 ang moh suckers in Singapore Gazelle?
As you might also know that Singapore is probably one of the few countries in this world that is allowed to buy some of the american most sophisticated weapons and we are also the only country in ASEAN that has a FTA in placed with USA.
To me these are mutually beneficial relationship.
Sorry, I am not defending the americans, just stating my understanding of the underlying reasons why our government is doing certain things which might look like its pro america. -
Spore is definitely pro US. If u look at the US invasion of Iraq n the present ofOriginally posted by Poh Ah Pak:What about PAP clique and Singapore mainstream propaganda media Gazelle?
They all pro-ang moh, spread all sorts of propaganda.
What do you have to say about that Gazelle?
They are the best suckers around, not the forum here Gazelle.
Who sings the praises of USA Gazelle?
Who spread pro-USA propaganda in Singapore?
Who send troops to Iraq to support USA invasion and occupation of Iraq?
Who wants USA to have a presence in the region?
I think you know who Gazelle.
You can't run away from this Gazelle.
You and I both know who are the real suckers.
policy of maintaining US troops, Spore definitely support US decision.
Looking at Michael Fay's case, come to think of it, he committed a crime which is a fact n sentenced to six strokes but due former US president Bill Clinton
protest, it got reduced to two strokes. What are the chances of getting punishment reduced for local? Despite Asia being free of colonial rule, the Western World still wield considerable power n influence in this world n the near future. -
If that is your argument Gazelle, you have no credibility with me when you criticise others of sucking up to ang moh.
You yourself defend the no.1 angmoh suckers in Singapore. -
It's not defending USA. I just gave an example that a sanction can be effective if every country supports it but there's always corruption that hamper it's mission.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Why you defend USA googoomuck? They are aggressors and occupiers, hell bent on expanding their global hegemony.
Look at the complete chaos and suffering in Iraq, due to USA illegal invasion in March 2003 based on lies.
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Obviously you cant tell the difference between sucking up to them and making use for them.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:If that is your argument Gazelle, you have no credibility with me when you criticise others of sucking up to ang moh.
You yourself defend the no.1 angmoh suckers in Singapore. -
I don't mind doing business or deals with USA.
But sing praises of USA, spread pro-USA propaganda in mainstream media, host military base, send troops to Iraq to support USA's occupation of Iraq, that is another story. -
Hosting US naval facilities will enable Spore to earn money spent by US navy sailors here but supporting US decision to go Iraq is simply a losuy move noOriginally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I don't mind doing business or deals with USA.
But sing praises of USA, spread pro-USA propaganda in mainstream media, host military base, send troops to Iraq to support USA's occupation of Iraq, that is another story.
matter which country support it. -
Hosting US naval facilities will enable Spore to earn money spent by US navy sailors
I rather not earn this type of money. -
Coming back to Burma's matter, it is a big mistake to allow Burma join as a member of ASEAN ten years back. U think so? What has Burma done to makeOriginally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I rather not earn this type of money.
ASEAN more vibrant as whole nothing but more criticism from the West in violation of human rights? -
Singapore is still importing sand from Myanmar right?Originally posted by will4:Coming back to Burma's matter, it is a big mistake to allow Burma join as a member of ASEAN ten years back. U think so? What has Burma done to make
ASEAN more vibrant as whole nothing but more criticism from the West in violation of human rights?
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The sand ban from Indonesia has been lifted already, right? If Spore continued to import from Burma unless it is necessary n no other countryOriginally posted by Gazelle:Singapore is still importing sand from Myanmar right?
is willing to supply Spore with sand, Spore should stop having link with Burma for the time being. Judging from FM George Yeo of criticizing Burma, Burma will also try to hit back. What has happened to the policy of non-interference
advocated by ASEAN among its member, now with the situtation in Burma getting more jialat, ASEAN members tried to intervene. Come to think of it, by letting Burma join ASEAN ten years ago, ASEAN held its nose high by saying no country outside of ASEAN should intefere in the domestic affairs, this led to Asian financial crisis, some say it is a retribution by letting Burma joined as a member of ASEAN. Oops, the IMF n World Bank which is ruled by the West has to fork out money to bail out the Asian tiger which has become known as kitten. -
Seems like the Myanmar government has been anticipating such things to happen and that is why they have shifted their capital from Rangoon to Naypyidaw. The latter place is located in a land locked village and hence it will make it very difficult for any foreign army to attack them.Originally posted by will4:The sand ban from Indonesia has been lifted already, right? If Spore continued to import from Burma unless it is necessary n no other country
is willing to supply Spore with sand, Spore should stop having link with Burma for the time being. Judging from FM George Yeo of criticizing Burma, Burma will also try to hit back. What has happened to the policy of non-interference
advocated by ASEAN among its member, now with the situtation in Burma getting more jialat, ASEAN members tried to intervene. Come to think of it, by letting Burma join ASEAN ten years ago, ASEAN held its nose high by saying no country outside of ASEAN should intefere in the domestic affairs, this led to Asian financial crisis, some say it is a retribution by letting Burma joined as a member of ASEAN. Oops, the IMF n World Bank which is ruled by the West has to fork out money to bail out the Asian tiger which has become known as kitten. -
What you say is totally correct , this is on the iraq side only - the buyer side ?Originally posted by googoomuck:Did the Oil-for-Food program accomplish its mission?
Yes. The mission of the Oil-for-Food program was to address the humanitarian impact of sanctions on the IraqÂ’s citizens, while maintaining their efficacy, which kept the Hussein regime from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. Under the program, enough food was imported to feed all 27 million Iraqis and the average daily caloric intake of the people of Iraq was increased 83 percent, from 1,200 kilocalories to 2,200 kilocalories per person per day. In addition, malnutrition rates in 2002 in the central and southern part of the country were half those in 1996 among children under the age of five; in the three northern governorates, chronic malnutrition decreased 56 percent. The program also contributed to national vaccination campaigns that helped reduce child mortality and eradicated polio in Iraq since May 29, 2003.
As usual, there was fraud everywhere that hampered the program. Saddam used Oil for Food as a way to circumvent economic sanctions, bring in enormous amounts of money and lavish that money on himself and his cronies.
Care to comment more on it ? It seem that the approved buyers are all US & ally. - is that not illegal controlling the oil to be sold to them ? -
Good that you mention cigarette -Originally posted by EarlNeo:So by ur logic, if everyone is selling cigarette, does it matter if u sell cigarette to a underage kid or not? Since that kid will still buy it from someone else if u dun sell it to kid? Might as well make a earning out of the poor kid misery since that kid is doom to it anyway? Now where is the moral in that? Not only that there is none in it, S'pore goes one big circle and condemn the kid for buying cigarette after selling them. That so hypocritical. So wat if the USA is doing it, so wat if the world is doing it, everyone is doing it doesnt mean it is right and that we must follow it and jump on the band wagon for profit over moral value!! Yes this kinda mind set may seem very naive to you but I do have my own principle and there is something that i will not cross for the seek of $$$ unlike our MIW!
Seem like US, british and australia are the one manufacturing more of those killers - and here you give a lecture on the selling to the kids - why are you so blind to the real manufacturers ? You seem to have lecture the wrong directions.
below is the world cigarette manufacturers .
Alpine Philip Morris Ltd Australia
Benson & Hedges British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Brandon Imperial Tobacco Australia
Black Devil Trojan Tobacco Company Netherlands Huepink & Bloeman Tabak
Cambridge British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Camel Imperial Tobacco USA Japan Tobacco International
Chunghwa Patron Group (Australia) Pty Ltd China Shanghai Cigarette Factory
Cigaronne Intercontinental Trading Pty Ltd Armenia SPS Cigaronne Co Ltd
Craven A British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Davidoff Swedish Match Australia Pty Limited Germany Reemtsma Inter
Diamond J T&J Wholesale China
Djarum Swedish Match Australia Pty Limited Indonesia Indonesian Kretek
DJ Mix Special Feel Trojan Tobacco Company Hong Kong DJ Tobacco Co Ltd
Double Happiness Patron Group (Australia) Pty Ltd China Shanghai Cigarette
Dunhill British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Escort Imperial Tobacco Australia
Esse/This Plus/ Raison PT Korea Pty Ltd Korea KT & G (South Korea)
Fantasia Swedish Match Australia Pty Limited USA Nat Sherman
Green Mild Chang Shin International Pty Ltd Seoul Korea Chamnamoo Co Ltd
Gudang Garam Cabrino Pty Ltd Indonesia Indonesian Kretek
Holiday British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Horizon Imperial Tobacco Australia
John Player Premium Imperial Tobacco Australia
Kent British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Kool British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Longbeach Philip Morris Ltd Australia
Lucky Strike British American Tobacco Australia USA Brown & Williamson Tob
Marlboro Philip Morris Ltd Australia
Marlboro Philip Morris Ltd USA Philip Morris
More Imperial Tobacco USA Japan Tobacco International
Pall Mall British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Peel Trojan Tobacco Company Hong Kong DJ Tobacco Co Ltd
Peony Patron Group (Australia) Pty Ltd China Shanghai Cigarette Factory
Peter Jackson Philip Morris Ltd Australia
Peter Stuyvesant Imperial Tobacco Australia
Pink Elephant Trojan Tobacco Company Netherlands Huepink & Bloeman Rothmans British American Tobacco Australia Australia
St Moritz British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Sobranie Trojan Tobacco Company UK Gallaher Ltd
State Express British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Stradbroke British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Superkings Imperial Tobacco UK Imperial Tobacco
Vogue British American Tobacco Australia West Germany Martin Brinkman
Wills British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Winfield British American Tobacco Australia Australia
X Trojan Tobacco Company Indonesia PT PDIT -
Now who is the one who can't tell the difference?Originally posted by Gazelle:Obviously you cant tell the difference between sucking up to them and making use for them. By the way.. it's making use of them... not for them.
Unless you are trying to say that we are generating opportunities to be used by them.
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The important question is... who manufactured the arms supplied to Myanmar?Originally posted by storywolf:Good that you mention cigarette -
Seem like US, british and australia are the one manufacturing more of those killers - and here you give a lecture on the selling to the kids - why are you so blind to the real manufacturers ? It is you who are hypocritical.
below is the world cigarette manufacturers .
Alpine Philip Morris Ltd Australia
Benson & Hedges British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Brandon Imperial Tobacco Australia
Black Devil Trojan Tobacco Company Netherlands Huepink & Bloeman Tabak
Cambridge British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Camel Imperial Tobacco USA Japan Tobacco International
Chunghwa Patron Group (Australia) Pty Ltd China Shanghai Cigarette Factory
Cigaronne Intercontinental Trading Pty Ltd Armenia SPS Cigaronne Co Ltd
Craven A British American Tobacco Australia Australia
Since you are against the manufacturers of cigs, I take it that you are against the manufacturing of arms that are to be supplied to murderers of innocent civilians? -
The general are not going to bow to foreign pressure including Spore. The only method to kick these generals is by their own troops.Originally posted by Gazelle:Seems like the Myanmar government has been anticipating such things to happen and that is why they have shifted their capital from Rangoon to Naypyidaw. The latter place is located in a land locked village and hence it will make it very difficult for any foreign army to attack them.
Right now at this moment, if the troops rebel that is going to spell the end of the junta.