Petition-signing at Burmese embassy in Singapore
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There is no need for CSJ to bring Singapore down. In many people's eyes, Singapore is a city for robots. Compassion has left Singapore for greener pastures.Originally posted by kramnave:That is what Chee Soon Juan stands for. Making a nuisance out of himself to bring Singapore down whenever possible, for his personal agenda. When drug traffickers are hanged he would go round and spread what barbaric laws Singapore has etc. Anytime there is a diplomatic spat he will side the foreign counterparty etc. He rides on compassionate grounds. However, when the Tsunami struck, did he go and help rebuild houses in the region when Singapore did ? -
Capitalism and democracy, i suppose there is some tradeoff.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:It's the people's right in a democracy. -
He very funny. That time that Aust-Viet drug case, our citizens stood behind the government in defending the sovereign status of our nation.Originally posted by kramnave:That is what Chee Soon Juan stands for. Making a nuisance out of himself to bring Singapore down whenever possible, for his personal agenda. When drug traffickers are hanged he would go round and spread what barbaric laws Singapore has etc.
But he sang a different tune. Is he stupid or what? Dunno what is go with the flow?
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if democracy is a means to an end .. then let's focus on that end. Wink
So you support Singapore style "democracy"? -
Capitalism and democracy, i suppose there is some tradeoff.
Explain. -
If CSJ become the head of this country, this will spell trouble though.Originally posted by Icemoon:He very funny. That time that Aust-Viet drug case, our citizens stood behind the government in defending the sovereign status of our nation.
But he sang a different tune. Is he stupid or what? Dunno what is go with the flow? -
He garners support overseas. If compassion has left Singapore, certain charities won't be thriving.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:There is no need for CSJ to bring Singapore down. In many people's eyes, Singapore is a city for robots. Compassion has left Singapore for greener pastures. -
I suppose there is always room for improvement, bearing in mind we are not living in utopia.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:So you support Singapore style "democracy"? -
There are no grounds for showing Compassion in Singapore. The Singapore government will not allow that, it's all dollars and cents... forget about morals, good will and sense.Originally posted by kramnave:He garners support overseas. If compassion has left Singapore, certain charities won't be thriving.
No money no talk in Singapore. -
Well. For one, why Singapore is what it is today is because we are hardworking. For us to be hardworking then we had to work long hours with low pay. Strikes were outlawed and demonstrations curbed so that no one would stand against that, just work. Foreign investors found cheap labour with political stability. No strikes no demonstrations. We thrived.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Explain.
We thrive on foreign money. Until today, we are attractive because we speak english, our govt makes it relatively cheap for foreign coys to set up shop here amongst other factors. We don't go and protest our working hours and comparitively, "low pay". We don't march down the streets and cause them to lose one day or a week of business. We don't change our govt so whatever our govt promise them, they are delivered. We are stable, predictable and relatively cheap. -
Get a religionOriginally posted by bigmouthjoe:There are no grounds for showing Compassion in Singapore. The Singapore government will not allow that, it's all dollars and cents... forget about morals, good will and sense.
No money no talk in Singapore. -
That is what SDP and many other activists in Singapore are doing.
I suppose there is always room for improvement, bearing in mind we are not living in utopia.
Trying to improve the political situation and climate in Singapore.
Trying to create a lively and vibrant society where political activities can take place peacefully.
Where mainstream media is no longer controlled or serve a certain agenda. -
Then this is just a robotic society.
Well. For one, why Singapore is what it is today is because we are hardworking. For us to be hardworking then we had to work long hours with low pay. Strikes were outlawed and demonstrations curbed so that no one would stand against that, just work. Foreign investors found cheap labour with political stability. No strikes no demonstrations. We thrived
We are humans, not robots.
We have feelings.
We need to express ourselves. -
For what? Are you telling me Singapore is devoid of religions now? Explain then why are the good citizens of Myanmar prevented from showing support for their own countrymen... IN A PEACEFUL MANNER.Originally posted by kramnave:Get a religion -
Talking about the money, take a look at the white horse policy, it is clear enough as some of them have to put in $75000 bond as form of guranteeOriginally posted by bigmouthjoe:There are no grounds for showing Compassion in Singapore. The Singapore government will not allow that, it's all dollars and cents... forget about morals, good will and sense.
No money no talk in Singapore.
to ensure they never escaped NS. How many local can fork out $75000?
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We complain in our hearts. We complain to our love ones. But we cannot seek address from who it matters most... we can only live in oppression. Forever yearning, never getting.Originally posted by kramnave:Well. For one, why Singapore is what it is today is because we are hardworking. For us to be hardworking then we had to work long hours with low pay. Strikes were outlawed and demonstrations curbed so that no one would stand against that, just work. Foreign investors found cheap labour with political stability. No strikes no demonstrations. We thrived.
We thrive on foreign money. Until today, we are attractive because we speak english, our govt makes it relatively cheap for foreign coys to set up shop here amongst other factors. We don't go and protest our working hours and comparitively, "low pay". We don't march down the streets and cause them to lose one day or a week of business. We don't change our govt so whatever our govt promise them, they are delivered. We are stable, predictable and relatively cheap. -
I see no reason whatsoever why Singaporeans cannot gather together in a peaceful way to protest and demonstrate against something they do not like.
This is a basic right in a democratic society. -
Mmh not sure how this connects to the Burmese tragedy, but lets just say that money talks in Singapore. Government can easily get $75k instead of getting nothing, so why not?Originally posted by will4:Talking about the money, take a look at the white horse policy, it is clear enough as some of them have to put in $75000 bond as form of gurantee
to ensure they never escaped NS. How many local can fork out $75000? -
2a seems to be in direct contradiction to the constitutional right awarded to the people's freedom to speak, express and assemble. In the US, it laws pertaining to illegal assembly would probably be thrown out by US Supreme courts as "unconstitutional." Unfortunately for us, we are not the United States.
Freedom of speech, assembly and association
14. —(1) Subject to clauses (2) and (3) —
(a) every citizen of Singapore has the right to freedom of speech and expression;
(b) all citizens of Singapore have the right to assemble peaceably and without arms; and
(c) all citizens of Singapore have the right to form associations.
(2) Parliament may by law impose —
(a) on the rights conferred by clause (1) (a), such restrictions as it considers necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of Singapore or any part thereof, friendly relations with other countries, public order or morality and restrictions designed to protect the privileges of Parliament or to provide against contempt of court, defamation or incitement to any offence;
(b) on the right conferred by clause (1) (b), such restrictions as it considers necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of Singapore or any part thereof or public order; and
(c) on the right conferred by clause (1) (c), such restrictions as it considers necessary or expedient in the interest of the security of Singapore or any part thereof, public order or morality.
(3) Restrictions on the right to form associations conferred by clause (1) (c) may also be imposed by any law relating to labour or education.
I fully support the need for public order. But to apply such restrictions when there has been no observed disruption to public order seems very authoritarian to me. Its like telling your child not to go out and play because he may hurt himself or end up in bad company. -
Well pointed out.Originally posted by Shotgun:2a seems to be in direct contradiction to the constitutional right awarded to the people's freedom to speak, express and assemble. In the US, it laws pertaining to illegal assembly would probably be thrown out by US Supreme courts as "unconstitutional." Unfortunately for us, we are not the United States.
I fully support the need for public order. But to apply such restrictions when there has been no observed disruption to public order seems very authoritarian to me. Its like telling your child not to go out and play because he may hurt himself or end up in bad company. -
Public order, of course, but not at the expense of our democratic rights.
If there are gatherings with people armed with weapons, I will not support that.
That doesn't mean NO gatherings. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
But on the whole, the police never really enforce that law right?
Public order, of course, but not at the expense of our democratic rights.
If there are gatherings with people armed with weapons, I will not support that.
That doesn't mean [b]NO gatherings.[/b]
I remember when the Burmese gathered at (outside) their temple in Singapore, they were not broken up. There were some who gathered in front of the embassy too, I don't remember they were broken up.
Now CSJ chups in, will the police stand idle? -
You don't need weapons to fight.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:If there are gatherings with people armed with weapons, I will not support that.
Never heard of unarmed combat ah? -
Myanmar citizens in Singapore take part in a candlelight vigil against the military crackdown in Myanmar, in front of the embassy of Myanmar in Singapore September 30, 2007. REUTERS/Tim Chong (SINGAPORE)
So .. is this a gathering .. or not?
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Double standards?Originally posted by Icemoon:So .. is this a gathering .. or not? Thanks for pointing it out.