Malay and immigrant growth in Singapore?
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i think the TS is gone..
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Singapore ''still a fourth world country if EVERY RACE produce 4 or 5 kids'' ?Originally posted by lionnoisy:Then u mean PAP want to dilute Malay % in SG? Say openly lah.
17 years drop half percentage point.
Small matter.Police wont knock your door.
So far no Aussie agent knock my door.
2.Can we discuss shall anyone,disregard the race,shall produce
so many children.
Would u agree CSJ blamed PAP adopt ''Stop at Two''policy
many years ago and now we face pop problem?
God damn it CSJ!Spore will be still a fourth world country if
EVERY RACE produce 4 or 5 kids.
Which history book did you study to believe that even in the 1950s, with Singapore being one of the major trading ports in Asia, can be compared as ''a 4th World Country'' ?
Are you doubting the status of LKY and his MIW team as Elite Talents even at that early stage of their political career ?
Surely, as an intelligent person, you could not possibly have succumb totally to the political propaganda from the MIW that has begun to change history as each early generation passed on ?
Even LKY had openly admitted that perhaps the ''Stop at 2'' could have been executed less aggressively, and ''more selectively'' - {another expression of his personal beliefs in eugenics}.
Putting all the advancement of technology aside, do you think the level of efforts and human misery is no different today then it was in the 1950s ?
After more then 50 years of self-government and independence, every Singaporean family today has to work twice as hard today under the MIW, as the family in the 1950s living under the Colonial Government.
During the Colonial Government - up to the mid-1950s, living condition was less hard and demanding that allow families to have as many as NINE children, and it was common even amongst the Chinese - let alone the Malays, or the Indians, or the Eurasians.
In the 1950s, a monthly wage from $500 to $900 was sufficient in the 1950s to feed the family of eleven, put everyone through school and university, and still have some remaining amount for savings. To earn a monthly wage of $1,000 and more - is as good as hitting the jackpot, that allow the family to own a bungalow house with a garden in the Serangoon Garden, Seletar Hills and Sembawang Hills areas that sells for only approximately $60,000.
A total combined family income of $2,000 is only just sufficient to keep a family of two adults and two children moving along in Singapore, and there will be hardly enough left for personal savings, with the bulk already locked up in the untouchable CPF accounts.
The CPF accounts will be emptied even as one will purchase an HDB pigeon hole unit that has been purposefully priced to be just a margin from similar or equivalent sized privately built units.
Singaporeans today without any prodding will naturally stop at TWO - even despite all the incentives to produce four that will allow a surplus count in replacing the parents.
The same Singapore Elite Talent that govern us - with the same pair of guiding hands - will now dare to claim that Singapore can support a population of SIX Million.
Why is this fact belatedly acknowledge when there were opposing voices in the 1960s to the 'Stop at 2' policy for the same reason that Singapore can support the natural population growth that prevailed then ?
It is not only the interest of our ethnic Malay Singaporean brothers and sisters that are threatened with the purposeful influx of foreigners - simply to raise the population to SIX MILLION and achieve the MIW goals of continuous economic vibrancy.
The general interest and long term social cohesiveness and integration of an already sensitive multi-ethnic mix of natural resident population, will be further complicated by the present surge of foreigners - who are economic migrants, whose wealth and skills can always migrate again when they face an economic crisis in Singapore. -
The reason why there are more indian and chineses migrating to singapore is not because the singapore immigration law favor them, but rather, their willingness to make a living in this country.Originally posted by MRidzwan:Singapore has been bringing in plenty of immigrants from China and India to counter the growth of its Malay population.
http://muhammad-ridzwan.blogspot.com/2007/10/impeding-malay-deluge.html
Please remember that, Singapore welcome people from all race and religions as long as, they meet the immigration criteria. -
Hi Ridzwan,Originally posted by MRidzwan:i know u're not. but this was the impression that the minorities had initially, that Chinese singaporeans are thrilled over the fact that their brothers and sisters from China are joining them for a nice family re-union.
But as a true blue Singaporean, we are worried about the future of our country once these "instant citizens" come in. It's not about race that makes us uneasy. If they were Malaysian Malay immigrants we would feel the same too. That us, local born Singaporeans who would die for our land, are losing out to free roaming foreigners here just to make a fortune and enjoy the good life our fathers have built.
Ask any local chinese and most of them would disagree with your sweeping statement. We certainly do not regard Chinese from China as our brothers and sisters. This is unlike the Malay population where there is a brotherhood (or sisterhood) of people of the same ethnicity throughout this region. In fact, the chinese in china regard us as not 'pure' chinese as our ancestors took the decision of sailing on a rickety ship for weeks in search of a better life ages ago. Therefore in their eyes, they are of superior quality than us.
But because of money, they have now come to our shores, in hopes of earning a better pay and getting a better life. However, please note that, they regard themselves a separate entity from the local chinese here, something the authorities ought to check on.
So while they may be chinese in ethnicity, we don't feel a bond with them and neither are we jumping for joy at their presence here!!! -
Think what he said was the "initial view" of some minority.Originally posted by Croaking_Toad:Hi Ridzwan,
Ask any local chinese and most of them would disagree with your sweeping statement. We certainly do not regard Chinese from China as our brothers and sisters. This is unlike the Malay population where there is a brotherhood (or sisterhood) of people of the same ethnicity throughout this region. In fact, the chinese in china regard us as not 'pure' chinese as our ancestors took the decision of sailing on a rickety ship for weeks in search of a better life ages ago. Therefore in their eyes, they are of superior quality than us.
But because of money, they have now come to our shores, in hopes of earning a better pay and getting a better life. However, please note that, they regard themselves a separate entity from the local chinese here, something the authorities ought to check on.
So while they may be chinese in ethnicity, we don't feel a bond with them and neither are we jumping for joy at their presence here!!! -
Globalization is just the latest word in a long line of words throughout history that has prompted emigration. Emigration is something that you and everyone else has to live with. It started happening 5,000 years ago and will go on at least in the forseeable future, I dare say for the next 200 years at least.Originally posted by MRidzwan:i know u're not. but this was the impression that the minorities had initially, that Chinese singaporeans are thrilled over the fact that their brothers and sisters from China are joining them for a nice family re-union.
But as a true blue Singaporean, we are worried about the future of our country once these "instant citizens" come in. It's not about race that makes us uneasy. If they were Malaysian Malay immigrants we would feel the same too. That us, local born Singaporeans who would die for our land, are losing out to free roaming foreigners here just to make a fortune and enjoy the good life our fathers have built.
Many topics and articles have been written and spoken about loyalty vs free roaming immigrants. It's something no government can prevent and the bottomline is that people will still put themselves first. Sure there will be loyal stayers but the world is so dynamic that there will be changes to the country's social make-up that one cannot avoid it. In today's world, its either you accept it or get left behind. Race is not an issue as I believe that the country will take in the brightest, smartest and most hardworking -
Correct me if i am wrong on this) Furthermore, from what i heard from rumours is that Malays in Singapore gets better subsidies for eductation, housing, etc.
Im sorry bro, but the above statement is no longer true.
Malays receiving special priveleges is one of the biggest myth towards this race and i wrote about it before
http://muhammad-ridzwan.blogspot.com/2006/10/myths-about-singapore-malays.html
Just like you, the Chinese and Indians, us Malays are roughing it out to support our families without special help from the government.
Those free university fees etc have been taken back ever since mendaki was established together with cdac and sinda -
What you say is true...please continueOriginally posted by MRidzwan:Correct me if i am wrong on this) Furthermore, from what i heard from rumours is that Malays in Singapore gets better subsidies for eductation, housing, etc.
Im sorry bro, but the above statement is no longer true.
Malays receiving special priveleges is one of the biggest myth towards this race and i wrote about it before
http://muhammad-ridzwan.blogspot.com/2006/10/myths-about-singapore-malays.html
Just like you, the Chinese and Indians, us Malays are roughing it out to support our families without special help from the government.
Those free university fees etc have been taken back ever since mendaki was established together with cdac and sinda -
u sure anot.....i can't stand PRCOriginally posted by MRidzwan:i know u're not. but this was the impression that the minorities had initially, that Chinese singaporeans are thrilled over the fact that their brothers and sisters from China are joining them for a nice family re-union.
But as a true blue Singaporean, we are worried about the future of our country once these "instant citizens" come in. It's not about race that makes us uneasy. If they were Malaysian Malay immigrants we would feel the same too. That us, local born Singaporeans who would die for our land, are losing out to free roaming foreigners here just to make a fortune and enjoy the good life our fathers have built.
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Great posts from u buddy! Hope you update your blog with such contents regularly!
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it is the same in Malaysia, Chinese accounted for 40% of the population 30 years ago, but now Chinese is only 26% by another 10 years, it becomes 18%Originally posted by MRidzwan:Singapore has been bringing in plenty of immigrants from China and India to counter the growth of its Malay population. This is presumably to keep our ethnic proportions in check. But what is the cost to our nation in the long run?
Singapore’s latest population census is out. According to figures from the Department of Statistics, the percentage of Malays in Singapore has declined to just 13.5% – down from 14% in 1990. This comes in despite the fact that Malays have the most superior fertility rates when compared against the Chinese and Indians.
http://muhammad-ridzwan.blogspot.com/2007/10/impeding-malay-deluge.html -
Agree and believe we should benefit more by accepting and embracing rather than resisting diversity/plurality be it in race, language, culture or religion.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Globalization is just the latest word in a long line of words throughout history that has prompted emigration. Emigration is something that you and everyone else has to live with. It started happening 5,000 years ago and will go on at least in the forseeable future, I dare say for the next 200 years at least. -
So now u mean that Singaporeans dont have the required skills?I seriously doubt that!!!Yes,rubbish cleaners or some high risk jobs require foreign works.BUT,some high paid and normal jobs should reserve for Singaporeans.Originally posted by kramnave:Immigrants babies may or may not have the skills but presently the immigrants have.
When you migrate, they look at your skills, not at the potential of your baby.
I read in newspaper that day about a Philippinos waitress accidentally found a large sum of money and return to the owner and was praised being honest.And later,i learn she earned one month $1800.LOL,if i earn $1800 per month,i also will be "honest".And what,Singaporeans are not "skilled" to be waitress or waiter?
And on one occasion,i phone to the starhub for techinical assistance about my modemn.They direct me to call another number,who is a philippinos answering,now starhub also need foreign technicians? -
1. What benefit will we have by increasing Malay population percentage? Do we become like our neighbours? Backward?
2. How about the govt bring in more White Trash foreign talent instead of PRCs? To take up the top jobs, the fill out Holland V and Orchard? To take away yer chicks? -
If you want to be a waitress or a waiter, flip the classifieds. There are vacancies everyday. Look, certain jobs Singaporeans won't have the skill. The casino for example. Not many, if at all have the experience of doing surveilance in a casino or being a pit boss etc. When the IR is ready, we know that it is technically impossible to staff it fully with Singaporeans, it'll make no sense. Similarly as Singapore is creating jobs in this and that industry, there will be jobs that require experience that Singaporeans don't possess.Originally posted by drawer:So now u mean that Singaporeans dont have the required skills?I seriously doubt that!!!Yes,rubbish cleaners or some high risk jobs require foreign works.BUT,some high paid and normal jobs should reserve for Singaporeans.
I read in newspaper that day about a Philippinos waitress accidentally found a large sum of money and return to the owner and was praised being honest.And later,i learn she earned one month $1800.LOL,if i earn $1800 per month,i also will be "honest".And what,Singaporeans are not "skilled" to be waitress or waiter?
And on one occasion,i phone to the starhub for techinical assistance about my modemn.They direct me to call another number,who is a philippinos answering,now starhub also need foreign technicians?
We read of banks l expanding operations in Singapore etc Were there enough Singaporeans to take up those jobs ? I read an article sometime back that the banks found it rather difficult to find enough talent to do operations and had to source regionally.
Don't be mistaken that we are what employers are looking for. It never pays to be complacent. It doesn't mean that if we are Singaporean we get a divine right to be employed irregardless of whether we are what the employers are looking for.
There are jobs around even though you see alot of FT around. Go look around, getting it is another thing. -
TO: C.O.M.F, the one before my previous post.
I think your comments are rather backward in itself and racist. Whatever race you are, if you don't work you'll still go hungry. -
Also to add , we singapore born indians , also dont welcome india citizens with open arms.
I and lots of my fellow indians , find them very arrogant .
sAme as the chinese of china , who dont see singapore chinese as equals so do the indians of india. -
ape dah thank you?Originally posted by mhcampboy:thank you.
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Your above comment is the problem we are facing right now.The PAP government,just like you,are scare of foreigners and only care about them and ignore whether their own countrymen are getting a job or not!!!The excuses saying Singaporeans lack of experience are simply bullsh!t!!!!No job in this world are so hard that a human cannot do,unless u are saying that Singaporeans are not human!!!!Originally posted by kramnave:If you want to be a waitress or a waiter, flip the classifieds. There are vacancies everyday. Look, certain jobs Singaporeans won't have the skill. The casino for example. Not many, if at all have the experience of doing surveilance in a casino or being a pit boss etc. When the IR is ready, we know that it is technically impossible to staff it fully with Singaporeans, it'll make no sense. Similarly as Singapore is creating jobs in this and that industry, there will be jobs that require experience that Singaporeans don't possess.
We read of banks l expanding operations in Singapore etc Were there enough Singaporeans to take up those jobs ? I read an article sometime back that the banks found it rather difficult to find enough talent to do operations and had to source regionally.
Don't be mistaken that we are what employers are looking for. It never pays to be complacent. It doesn't mean that if we are Singaporean we get a divine right to be employed irregardless of whether we are what the employers are looking for.
There are jobs around even though you see alot of FT around. Go look around, getting it is another thing.
No experience?Once a Singaporean get the job,he can learn as he goes,whats so difficult?Some of our PAP ministers,including PAP leaders,only care that they themselves got a "high pay" job and that they dont lose their "iron bowl",they dont care whether Singaporeans are getting a job or not!!!This is the problem we are facing right now!!!! -
Thanks for sharing and the great blog Ridzwan. Keep it coming as Singaporean need to know how minorities feel about this issue.
Question now is how un-Singaporean will Singapore get ?
I last heard patriotic songs like "One Nation-One People-One Singapore..."
What B*S*it!!! I guess garment agree that is a stupid song indeed....
So they decided to replaced with "A City of Possibilities"...whatever happened to the word "Nation"? Won't Nike's slogan do just as well for S'pore Inc ?
Oh, they might as well change the pledge from "We the Citizen of Singapore" to "We the Residence of Singapore" since the government boards and ministries had replaced "Singapore Citizen" classification with "Singapore Residence".
As a matter of fact, "Singapore-Citizen" is just a legal term used as a cheap source of military manpower and a source of joke by FT here.
However, I am pretty sure there is one thing that any Singaporean male welcome is the change in ENLISTMENT ACT (CHAPTER 93) by replacing the term "citizen of Singapore " with "residence of Singapore".....now that will be interesting... -
The kind of ignorance and bigotry you display is the very reason why Singapore will lose out in competitiveness to rapidly industralizing nations like China and India. Foreigners are needed to power our economy because we lack the skilled manpower who are able to fill the vacant jobs in the biomedical industries, as well as the semi-skilled and unkilled workers willing to accept the kind of low wages foreign workers are willing to work for. Without foreign workers we will lose out in competitiveness and our economy will stagnate.Originally posted by drawer:Your above comment is the problem we are facing right now.The PAP government,just like you,are scare of foreigners and only care about them and ignore whether their own countrymen are getting a job or not!!!The excuses saying Singaporeans lack of experience are simply bullsh!t!!!!No job in this world are so hard that a human cannot do,unless u are saying that Singaporeans are not human!!!!
No experience?Once a Singaporean get the job,he can learn as he goes,whats so difficult?Some of our PAP ministers,including PAP leaders,only care that they themselves got a "high pay" job and that they dont lose their "iron bowl",they dont care whether Singaporeans are getting a job or not!!!This is the problem we are facing right now!!!!
If Singaporeans want a job, they have to be able to fill a job vacancy at competitive rates. If you want a higher pay, you have to offer something the foreign workers cannot do. -
thanks. unfortunately the only times the minorities in Singapore get heard is through the boot licking media and our head-nodding leaders.
Sometimes the real sentiments need to be heard for the good of the nation.