Even expatriate women in Singapore are protesting - SDP
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From SDP website.
Isn't it the nadir of nadirs when foreigners in Singapore stage a protest when locals cannot?
A blogsite (http://www.instablogs.com/gallery/SIN10209281000) reported: "Expatriate women living in Singapore wear red T-shirts as part of a global action Friday, Sept. 28, 2007 in Singapore to support the brave in Myanmar. Myanmar's deadly military crackdown prompted protests and warnings from the reclusive nation's Asian neighbors, with China and Japan agreeing Friday to join efforts to help end the strife."
The photography clearly shows that there were more than five persons in the gathering, that the activity was held outdoors, and that someone was giving a speech.
According to the police, such an activity is considered an unlawful assembly and also making a speech without a permit.
Of course the question on everyone's minds must be: Did they have a permit? More important, did the police warn the group like they did with the SDP outside the Burmese embassy?
Or is the police afraid of engaging Westerners on the issue of free speech and peaceful assembly? It seems easier to intimidate locals and Burmese.
In any event, the expatriates must be commended for their initiative and courage to defy unjust and oppressive laws that deny people their right freedoms of speech and assembly.
Singaporeans must also demonstrate such courage. Come down to the Burmese embassy at St MartinÂ’s Drive and sign the petition. The signature campaign is in its fourth day and will continue until further announced.
Note: For security purposes, only the signatures will be submitted. The signatories names will not be sent in. -
Government by the rich for the rich and foreigners...
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Maybe, however there is a remote possibility they had a permit. Else, they didn't get loudhailer Chee to hijack and broadcast the possibly short gathering. Thus the police might not have known about it. No placards, no headbands it seems. Just a few ang moh gathering and someone giving a speech. If i were standing opposite them i might not have known they were supporting the burmese cause.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Government by the rich for the rich and foreigners... -
The police modus operandi:
The police first observe, then give a warning, then repeat the warning, then final warning, then last warning, then move in to break up gathering, then only arrest.
Does CSJ realised he was never placed under house arrest like Aung San Suu Kii.
You know why?
He has absolutely no credibility. -
must get a permit just to make a speech????
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It's considered illegal gathering when there more than 5 people. From the photo, there are obviously more than that and I can't see a single police.
Compare that to the recent Odex protest when it's only a few teen protesting with their toys.
Obviously there is double standard here
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CSJ is under country arrest, he can't go overseasOriginally posted by mancha:The police modus operandi:
The police first observe, then give a warning, then repeat the warning, then final warning, then last warning, then move in to break up gathering, then only arrest.
Does CSJ realised he was never placed under house arrest like Aung San Suu Kii.
You know why?
He has absolutely no credibility. -
Technically he can, just need to seek permission else pay his debts.Originally posted by t_a_s:CSJ is under country arrest, he can't go overseas -
Most likely will be rejected if seek permission, how to pay $500k debt ? He already lost his freedom. While T T Durai can go overseas and work, CSJ can't go overseas and in Singapore no body will dare to employ himOriginally posted by kramnave:Technically he can, just need to seek permission else pay his debts. -
Well, he was allowed to go overseas to collect his award. If he gains employment overseas they might let him go lor. However i recall him saying that he does not want to work again as he doesn't want to return the lees any money.Originally posted by t_a_s:Most likely will be rejected if seek permission, how to pay $500k debt ? He already lost his freedom. While T T Durai can go overseas and work, CSJ can't go overseas and in Singapore no body will dare to employ him -
Just because foreigners do, we must follow blindly and unthinkingly?
monkey- see-monkey-do? Is this what you want Singaporeans to be doing?
We have nary a natural resource - nothing to fall back on except people......
if Singaporeans all blindly follow the ways of the West, do you think our economy can thrive and we survive at all? I implore you fellas to look at the larger picture instead of focussing on the little things. Whay do you fellas want? Plenty of freedom but no political stability and economic progress with massive unemployment? Is this what you fellas want?
KNN Don't take things for granted lah.......
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Bhutan has just started economic development, if I may say so.Originally posted by dragg:must get a permit just to make a speech????
This is a stage of national development where strong government control is not only desirable but also a Must in order to develop firmly. This is like 3rd world development. Bhutan traditionally and currently does not focus on education. Thus, to catch up with the world, they must rely on their government.
Singapore leh? -
I'm more interested in why it was allowed and no police or such stopped them.
i doubt they had permits before hand. -
its probable that nobody complained and no police walked past.Originally posted by hisoka:I'm more interested in why it was allowed and no police or such stopped them.
i doubt they had permits before hand. -
i doubt the toy protest and even the CSJ one any one complained. or police walked past without purpose of going there.Originally posted by kramnave:its probable that nobody complained and no police walked past.
besides its outside an embasy, no police/guards? -
Different pple, different treatment mah...
Our govt very adept at this..
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Were the women outside the embassy ?Originally posted by hisoka:i doubt the toy protest and even the CSJ one any one complained. or police walked past without purpose of going there.
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I beg to differ. If you looked at the photo, they were well dressed and organised. They stood around while someone was giving a speech. They even had name tags on them. They didn't even look like they were protesting or demonstrating. Basically they might have just gone there, made a short speech to themselves and left.Originally posted by Sagara:Different pple, different treatment mah...
Our govt very adept at this.. -
oh i read wrong, its sdp was outsideOriginally posted by kramnave:Were the women outside the embassy ?
but then discounting that its still funny on the other points. -
Depending on how you look at it, it could be that:Originally posted by hisoka:oh i read wrong, its sdp was outside
but then discounting that its still funny on the other points.
1) The police knew about it and couldn't be bothered as they are Ang Moh
2) The police were clueless about it. -
Hi,Originally posted by t_a_s:Most likely will be rejected if seek permission, how to pay $500k debt ? He already lost his freedom. While T T Durai can go overseas and work, CSJ can't go overseas and in Singapore no body will dare to employ him
Just like to share that Mr JBJ was allowed to travel for personal purposes when he was a bankrupt. Dr CSJ's trips were largely to attend international conferences rather than work purposes.
Then again, not that I support it but I see no reason why the authorities should prevent him from doing so. It lends credence to their stand that he was bankrupted to prevent him from travelling and becoming a threat overseas and if that was not the government's purpose, they would have inadvertently created the wrong impression.
Bottom line is, I find both the PAP and Singapore government's handling of opposition parties wanton and gives the impression that they are more fearful of losing power than what they claim. Whether it is at the legal or grassroots levels, they tend to overkill.
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JBJ went to the airport with the approval in his hand.
CSJ tried to waffle his way out, claiming ignorance and confusion.
There is a big difference in the two scenarios. -
The fact is that we have only a handful of foreign woman PRs and yet we could see them definitely being more civic minded and interested and prepared to speak up or express their passion for civil liberty than even many of our highly educated scholars.
They are not immune to prosecution or arrest so let us not say that government is more open or flexible with them because they are ang mo.
They could be equally exposing themselves to risk of being arrested for illegal assembly.
Hence it proves once again that Li Ao was right in saying that Singaporeans lack quality as a people.
They are not interested in standing up to bullying by their government or developing as a united people or being passionate about protecting and safeguarding their rights and liberties.
That is why it is so important for them now with all the happenings they have seen around the world to learn quickly how to unite and find common ground and stay cohesive as a people.
If so even if they go to the street to have peaceful civil rally or wear red or black together to express dissent of policies they will be respected for their cause.
We will then have a better future. So they should learn to be more cohesive in whatever they are doing and not keep flaming against one another. Find some common interests and passions and go on encouraging themselves to cultivate such ideals and fight for their rights and beliefs.
Whenever and wherever unfair and unjust actions are taken by government they could then rise and unite as a people and grow as people to be reckoned by all the policy makers. -
the police only acted if there is a complaint, in this case may be no complaint from the publicOriginally posted by hisoka:I'm more interested in why it was allowed and no police or such stopped them.
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Chee Soon Juan is not a simple man..... take the petition for example..... SDP showed extra zeal for Burma's case...... why not Thailand when the coup happened?? Oobviously S'pore govt was their target from the beginning when they planned the petition..... 'cause they think they have prove that they deal with drugs with the Burma govt..... that's why they petition is the only 1 that attack both S'pore and Burma govt