Originally posted by Gazelle:Assumptions, and assumptions... without too much use of whatever that is left of the small grey matters burnt up from too much crap sniffing.
So Atobe, how many years have you been living in Myanmar? Didnt know you were born in the 50s leh...can tell us how singapore is like during that time?
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Hi, spartans, as usual he is showing he has no compassion and this we know is typical of PAP supporters. He said what happen in Myanmar is nothing new, so he shows no compassion to the people of Myanmar is also nothing new. It is a waste of space, time, effort and resources to allow such a human being to occupy earth.Originally posted by Spartans:bla bla bla bla. This nonsense is what we can expect from our dear Gazelle.
Nah. He wont have the honor for me to reply directly to his post on Myanmar and the Sheep.![]()
Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:After amusing the 'crap sniffer', it is comforting to note that the 'pile of crap' is similarly amused.
Quote: Original post by Atobe:
In anycase, it will not take a stretch of imagination to know the attraction and relationship between a 'pile of crap' and a 'crap sniffer'
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hahaha, just as I guessed, your rhetorics are far more interesting than your sincerity in helping the people of Myanmar or Burma.
Put it this way: Burma is not the only country that changed its name after gaining independence. Uganda tried to do that under the military lunacy of Idi Amin who wanted to change Uganda to [b]Uganda Idi but was stopped from doing so by his 'wise' lieutenants who asked: What would the people of Uganda Idi be called?[/b]
Again, which history text have you been referrring to in making such simplistic conclusions - that seems to have you twisting historical facts to suit your own preferred views of what your history is ?
Thank you for your discourse on Burmese history. What you mentioned I alreadi knew. But what you do not know:
The British granted independence in haste after suffering losses in wars with Germany and Japan. Do not for one moment think that the British was so nice as to hand independence to India, Burma, Straits Settlements, Borneo and the likes. If you read history books by British historians, you will never get to read this piece of truth. When Britain left East India, it did not prepare those countries it granted independence a proper political system. It was left to the leaders of independence 'movements'. So, some leaders are wise, some are otherwise. Right now, in retrospect, we all on hindsight are like Atobe thinking we know better what irks countries like Myanmar.
Is there any logic in the manner that you compare Singapore with Burma ?
Atobe said SG and Myanmar have many similarities. If you believed what Atobe claimed, then logically, SG should be even poorer than Myanmar.
As for his other claims, I can only said they hold no water but the rhetorics are interesting vibes for entertaining the Burmese whom if Atobe has a chance to speak at the many forums held recently to express indignation at what the junta is doing, will greatly lift their repressed spirits!
The least controversial and most positive statement from the Resident Mushroom for 2007.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The Myanmar issue cannot be resolved without participation of the military. Such vigorous show of opposition and public protests against the military junta only serves to put the military on the defensive and will result in greater restriction of civil liberties and human rights. George Yeo is right that we understand the political situation there far better than ranting western liberals who are in no mood themselves to send their soldiers into another military conflict in Myanmar. Regime change has not worked...just look at Iraq. It is not in our own political or economic interests to have instability in Myanmar, and economic sanctions for the past decades have not worked an iota.
The way forward is for greater diplomatic dialogue and to persuade the Myanmese military that their interests would be better served by less oppressive rule.
Originally posted by Atobe:
Is there any logic in the manner that you compare Singapore with Burma ?
Logic? Was there any in the rhetorics you made?
If you are less fixated with vibes and dismiss clear facts as rhetorics, you could at least provide more sound rebuttals then simply being so dismissively hollow.
hahahha, who is more fixated than your rhetorics?
Unfortunately, in your worship of the POWER OF ONE, you forgot the assessment made that [b]history and place will decide the outcome of nations.
What POWER OF ONE? God, junta, PAP, me?
China has allowed Hong Kong to keep as much of the basic forms of government institutions that the British Colonial Rulers have created, so as to allow Hong Kong to continue to develop itself.
Not quite right! Britain in its last days negotiated very hard for the Basic Law which is akin to independent & democratic system for HK. But HK is a Chinese territory, not Britain's. To me, the One Country Two System is to allow the Hongkies time to adjust. To the billions of Chinese this is unfair. To me, this is a very generous concession by Beijing which it need not accede to.
The successive Hong Kong governments have seen fit to maintain a largely less interfering role - as the British Colonial Government did - so as to maintain the successful formula that the British had left behind.
That is an illusion. The British was only interested in HK for its own gain. If the British was so good as you said, how come Hongkies who wanted to take up British citizenship at the time of handover, were denied?
Singapore had preferred to modify and drastically politicised the various government institutions created by the British Colonial Rulers, so as to reinforce the political fortunes and monopolistic grip of a SINGLE POLITICAL PARTY formed by the POWER OF ONE.
I see this as your personal gripe that holds no water.
The Burmese Government that inheritted the same British Institutions could not even take off before the military executed a coup de'tat that allowed itself to rule Burma under strict military guidance.
Various ex-British Colonies on the African Continent - from Nigeria to South Africa to Rhodesia and Uganda - have all similarly seen various degrees of progress and failures after gaining independence.
Is that not too much of a co-incidence in the manner that failures that exist in ex-British Colonies in the hands of inept communities and autocrats ?
Strangely, your question implies that a dictactorship (as in SG) should similarly failed to lift the country or make it better unless there is your brand of democracy. I am not sure what colour is your democracy?
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Haha...so what did your parents tell you about life in the 50s? which internet site are you going to use to support your claim that life in Myanmar right now is the same as Singapore in the 50s?Originally posted by Atobe:Assumptions, and assumptions... without too much use of whatever that is left of the small grey matters burnt up from too much crap sniffing.
Are your parents not born in the 50s ?
Even if you do ot have parents born in the 50s, surely the use of your PC will have at least been put to better use to research on what life is like in Singapore during the 1950s ?
If you want to imitate a style by stating the not so obvious - 'another failed attempt ?' - at least do it with some finesse and find the right circumstance to carry it out correctly.
Sniff harder at others, and you may end up blowing your own mind.
Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Can a 'Pile of crap' have a brain to discern logic ?
Quote: Originally posted by Atobe:
Is there any logic in the manner that you compare Singapore with Burma ?
Logic? Was there any in the rhetorics you made?
If you are less fixated with vibes and dismiss clear facts as rhetorics, you could at least provide more sound rebuttals then simply being so dismissively hollow.
hahahha, who is more fixated than your rhetorics?
Unfortunately, in your worship of the POWER OF ONE, you forgot the assessment made that history and place will decide the outcome of nations.
What POWER OF ONE? God, junta, PAP, me?
China has allowed Hong Kong to keep as much of the basic forms of government institutions that the British Colonial Rulers have created, so as to allow Hong Kong to continue to develop itself.
Not quite right! Britain in its last days negotiated very hard for the Basic Law which is akin to independent & democratic system for HK. But HK is a Chinese territory, not Britain's. To me, the One Country Two System is to allow the Hongkies time to adjust. To the billions of Chinese this is unfair. To me, this is a very generous concession by Beijing which it need not accede to.
The successive Hong Kong governments have seen fit to maintain a largely less interfering role - as the British Colonial Government did - so as to maintain the successful formula that the British had left behind.
That is an illusion. The British was only interested in HK for its own gain. If the British was so good as you said, how come Hongkies who wanted to take up British citizenship at the time of handover, were denied?
Singapore had preferred to modify and drastically politicised the various government institutions created by the British Colonial Rulers, so as to reinforce the political fortunes and monopolistic grip of a SINGLE POLITICAL PARTY formed by the POWER OF ONE.
I see this as your personal gripe that holds no water.
The Burmese Government that inheritted the same British Institutions could not even take off before the military executed a coup de'tat that allowed itself to rule Burma under strict military guidance.
Various ex-British Colonies on the African Continent - from Nigeria to South Africa to Rhodesia and Uganda - have all similarly seen various degrees of progress and failures after gaining independence.
Is that not too much of a co-incidence in the manner that failures that exist in ex-British Colonies in the hands of inept communities and autocrats ?
Strangely, your question implies that a dictactorship (as in SG) should similarly failed to lift the country or make it better unless there is your brand of democracy. I am not sure what colour is your democracy?
Originally posted by Gazelle:If you do not have any grand-parents or parents around to tell you about the 1950s, at least do not be so cynical when others have the benefit of having these folks around.
Haha...so what did your parents tell you about life in the 50s? which internet site are you going to use to support your claim that life in Myanmar right now is the same as Singapore in the 50s?
Usual envy of a hopeless cynic, which typify the mentality of someone stuck in pre-puberty and still finding thrill sniffing at crap.
Plus have you been to Myanmar personally to understand the life of the people in Myanmar? Or do you think that by using the WWW. you will be able to know??
Failed attempt ? Hardly, when you have nothing substantial to rebutt my post.
Another failed attempt by Atobe? hahaha...
Good try...I am sure the sheep in this forum will agree with you.
Bras Basah Road 1958
Bras Basah Road - Aerial View
Robinsons at Raffles Place - 1950s
memories of Hock Lam Street - 1960s {Note - Central Fire Station Watch Tower at end of street}hello gazelleOriginally posted by ah_lau2:Has anyone realised that Atobe is the most delusional forumer around?
These few paragraphs are really the most incredibly ridiculous rantings I have ever readOriginally posted by Atobe:The Burmese will definitely have their spirits lifted to know that despite material progress, Singaporeans remain subjected to the same kind of political regimentation as the Burmese are experiencing despite the ''poverty'' that they are supposed to be suffering.
The Burmese will surely have their spirits lifted to know that they have at least the ability and moral courage to stand up against the brutality of a regime that is willing to use live bullets to suppress them.
Even as Singapore is seen to be wealthy, there are as much poverty that exist in Singapore - material, financial, spiritual, and most of all political poverty.
The majority of Singaporeans will be poor by the time they reached retirement age, as the bulk of their retirement funds will be swallowed up in the over priced properties that the Singapore Autocrats have created with its 'property casino environment', which they have private interest in to keep the property sector buoyantly hot.
Are the Burmese materially poorer than Singaporeans ?
The Burmese enjoy having a wide array of food at their open air markets that are available at prices that are commensurate to their wages, and the Military Junta - like the Singapore Autocrats - have ensured that the stomachs are filled while the minds are dulled.
Yet, despite supposedly ''good'' living conditions by Burmese standards, the Burmese are struggling and opposing a supposedly benevolent Government - that takes as much from the citizens as they are seen to be giving {SG has been providing political lessons to the Burmese junta, as much as China has voluntarily decide to learn about the SG politics of maintaining a One Party State}.
Burma - today - has living conditions similar to Singapore in the 1950s, with the majority of the Burmese being unaware of what life in Singapore is like today. Singaporeans, who have lived through the experience of the 1950s, will know that Singaporeans were not complaining of their conditions then, and even had more then enough to look after a huge family - compared to Singaporeans today struggling to keep a 2-child family despite the huge wage difference from the 1950s.
''Ignorance is bliss'' - and yet, the Burmese has the inspiration to fight for their political rights that has been usurped from them, as much as the few politically concious Singaporeans are also demanding for our political rights to be returned to us.
It was the recent fuel price increases in Myanmar that provided the spark that cause the Burmese to be more vocal, and it was the brutal and morally bankrupt military - which is conscientiously detached from the population - that used brutal and excessive force in suppressing the Burmese demands for change.
The Singapore Police Force are similarly trained in using deadly force as the last option; and despite more then 50 years of non-riots, the Singapore Government has seen fit to purchase crowd control water cannons fitted onto police trucks, as well as an array of riot control devices and soft weapons to be used against Singaporeans.
Suppressing those who will dare to stand-up and be counted for the sake of the country.
Is there any political difference between the scenario of a First World Singapore and a supposedly Third World Myanmar ?
In anycase, it will not take a stretch of imagination to know the attraction and relationship between a 'pile of crap' and a 'crap sniffer'
Originally posted by ah_lau2:Incredible ?
These few paragraphs are really the most incredibly ridiculous rantings I have ever read
Originally posted by Atobe:How old are you may I ask? I would really like to meet you. You are one of a kind. The hatred that you have blinds every thought in your head
Incredible ?
You must be quite easily impressionable for one who prefer to be an [b]'ah_lau' even with an emphasis of '2' ?
By the standards of an 'ah_lau' - even multiplied by '2' - should we be surprised at his lamenting at everything and anything will become incredible, and even will be more ridiculous by two folds.
Should anyone be surprised if an ah_lau can suffer from delusions and will believe that he is hearing words that are ranting ?
It seems that miscreants come in pairs - a 'crap sniffer' - {making an appearance on 22 July 2004} tied up with a 'pile of crap' - {raised on 22 July 2007}; while an 'ah_lau2' on 3 April 2007} to be followed soon after by a 'laugenjudi' {on 13 April 2007}.
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The Burmese will surely have their spirits lifted to know that they have at least the ability and moral courage to stand up against the brutality of a regime that is willing to use live bullets to suppress them.I don't understand this statement. How is it the burmese have the ability and we don't? We don't have the ability to walk down the streets with some placards in our hands?
The majority of Singaporeans will be poor by the time they reached retirement age, as the bulk of their retirement funds will be swallowed up in the over priced properties that the Singapore Autocrats have created with its 'property casino environment', which they have private interest in to keep the property sector buoyantly hot.Explain how you came up with this point of view. It's very interesting
Originally posted by ah_lau2:Your profile put your 'Year of Birth' as 1979 - and yet you will have the immodesty of giving yourself the title 'ah_lau' by '2 folds' ?
How old are you may I ask? I would really like to meet you. You are one of a kind. The hatred that you have blinds every thought in your head
Originally posted by Atobe:Wah, as you typed this, did you feel a surge of emotion going through you?
Your profile put your 'Year of Birth' as 1979 - and yet you will have the immodesty of giving yourself the title 'ah_lau' by '2 folds' ?
With your publicly displayed levels of maturity and ability to discern the different shades and meanings of the words used in this Speaker's Corner, what do you know of ''hatred'' - or even of any other emotions ?
For one who entered the Speaker's Corner with so few opinions on any subject that is of any substance, you certainly have alot to say about others.
Do yourself a favor, if you express yourself less often, and if on the rare occassion that you do so, at least do it with some substance, then no one will know the real depth of your person.
At this stage, all your efforts are inconsequential and have no relevance to the thread at hand.
Are you the typical sheep that the ''Crap Sniffer'' sees in Singaporeans - those who are herded so easily, afraid to have themselves shorn naked, afraid to express anything louder then a bleat ?
If you are truly an 'ah_lau' with a strength that is '2 folds', then surely you will know how to defend the interests of ordinary Singaporeans.
Unfortunately, from your performance todate as an 'ah_lau', it is no wonder that your score is only a [b]' 2 ' out of a possible ' 10 '.
To hate is a waste of energy, as it is silent and wanton use of energy. It is better to channel the energy into creativity and courage for oneself to express loudly that will create sparks of interest and life into others.
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Originally posted by Atobe:I come up with 2 sentences and you come back with a whole tirade of personal attacks? It is quite fun talking to people like you who have no control over your emotions. You didn't miss a beat
Your profile put your 'Year of Birth' as 1979 - and yet you will have the immodesty of giving yourself the title 'ah_lau' by '2 folds' ?
With your publicly displayed levels of maturity and ability to discern the different shades and meanings of the words used in this Speaker's Corner, what do you know of ''hatred'' - or even of any other emotions ?
For one who entered the Speaker's Corner with so few opinions on any subject that is of any substance, you certainly have alot to say about others.
Do yourself a favor, if you express yourself less often, and if on the rare occassion that you do so, at least do it with some substance, then no one will know the real depth of your person.
At this stage, all your efforts are inconsequential and have no relevance to the thread at hand.
Are you the typical sheep that the ''Crap Sniffer'' sees in Singaporeans - those who are herded so easily, afraid to have themselves shorn naked, afraid to express anything louder then a bleat ?
If you are truly an 'ah_lau' with a strength that is '2 folds', then surely you will know how to defend the interests of ordinary Singaporeans.
Unfortunately, from your performance todate as an 'ah_lau', it is no wonder that your score is only a [b]' 2 ' out of a possible ' 10 '.
To hate is a waste of energy, as it is silent and wanton use of energy. It is better to channel the energy into creativity and courage for oneself to express loudly that will create sparks of interest and life into others.
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Originally posted by ah_lau2: 10 October 2007 08.52 PM
Wah, as you typed this, did you feel a surge of emotion going through you?[/b]
Originally posted by ah_lau2:10 October 2007 08.58 PMYour sentences although brief were loaded with insinuation and personal opinions that were shallow - and in any case were unsolicited.
I come up with 2 sentences and you come back with a whole tirade of personal attacks? It is quite fun talking to people like you who have no control over your emotions. You didn't miss a beat[/b]
internal affair? while i do not think it is comparision between Myanmar and SG but i certainly do not believe this is an internal affair.Originally posted by Meat Pao:In my humble opinion,
It is true that Myanmar's problems are internal.
It is for their own society to solve, they have to settle the problem themselves. They have to figure out a way and reach a consensus.
Or, if want to have a revolt, also can. It is up to them.
It is a family problem which can only be solved by themselves, among the family members of the house, how they will run the house.
Meat Pao.
Originally posted by Atobe:hahaha, I always have to laugh at this antic Atobe. Falling into my pile of crap had made him a very angry man. I feel sorry for all his rantings. That man needs some help. While he had been quite diligent in digging pile of materials including foreign ones, pictures, quotations, speeches, history books, newspaper clippings, etc., his rantings can be unintelligent and incoherent, with many unconnected linkages here and there. It is a pity we do not know exactly what irks him but there seemed to be a lot of underlying hatred or unspoken dissatisfactions that we do not really know. I can feel his sufferings but I am not sure whether my pile of crap is any help!
It seems that miscreants come in pairs - a [b]'crap sniffer' - {making an appearance on 22 July 2004} tied up with a 'pile of crap' - {raised on 22 July 2007}; while an 'ah_lau2' on 3 April 2007} to be followed soon after by a 'laugenjudi' {on 13 April 2007}.
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Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:hahaha, I always have to laugh at this antic Atobe. Falling into my pile of crap had made him a very angry man. I feel sorry for all his rantings. That man needs some help. While he had been quite diligent in digging pile of materials including foreign ones, pictures, quotations, speeches, history books, newspaper clippings, etc., his rantings can be unintelligent and incoherent, with many unconnected linkages here and there. It is a pity we do not know exactly what irks him but there seemed to be a lot of underlying hatred or unspoken dissatisfactions that we do not really know. I can feel his sufferings but I am not sure whether my pile of crap is any help!
How co-incidental, two clones attempting to reinforce the other's pathetic efforts.Originally posted by Gazelle:Atobe is obviously getting on with his own mental mastubation isnt it?
by showing some pictures, he is trying to tell us that he can understand the life of the people living in Singapore 50 years ago and people living in a country or city he has never been to...
hahaha...I guess the only animal that will be impressed by him will be the sheep.