Minister Raymond Lim was stumped by residents' query on ERP.
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today news got article about him saying why bus fares cannot remain unchanged
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i like this idea. make it one car per household better still.Originally posted by Jontst78:abolish COE, enforce a quota on number of personal vehicles own on a per household rate. Maybe say, a limit of 2 cars per household. Families who decide not to own cars, can transfer/sell their entitlement (10 years maybe?). At least the cash flows within the populace and not back to line the pockets of the government.
As far as government rationale goes, the COE was to limit car buying in the first place, and not to cover some cost. Why did they implement COE and then removed the need for 30% down-payment? Trying to limit car growth and yet making buying cars more accessible at the same time?
family who do not wish to add to singapore's traffic problem can sell their entitlement to those who wants/needs it. 10 years probably too long, 5 years seems right. (approx $5,000 for a 5 years entitlement) -
So you're saying we should tear down all the roads and re-build them again?Originally posted by Atobe:Allow the expressways to function as an expressway.
The Traffic Police should not be speeding down expressways and randomly nabbing supposedly errant goods vehicles for minor infractions, but should instead ensure the proper lane and speed discipline - {i.e. : ensuring road hoggers move aside}.
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saw it in yesterday channel 8 news...he kept saying to have the better transportation management system, but what is that?
Originally posted by robertteh:At the forum with Minister Raymond Lim televised today over Channel 5, it is obvious that the Minister was unable to answer to the irate Thomson residents' query : "We don't mind to pay the ERP but what we are frustrated is despite paying the ERP the traffic situation does not improve."
Minister was unable to satisfy the residents in his reply: "If we do not have ERP, traffic will get worse. That is why we have other measures including COEs and better bus services. Just like the bus service if we abolish the fee increases bus fleet may go down and eventually service will go down."
It is so sad that the ERP has been proposed as the ultimate solution to the traffic congestion problem but now the residents have to bear higher and higher costs and unlike being presented as the final solution it has not solve the traffic problem at all despite all the fees being paid.
The residents in Thomson are right in saying that if we cannot solve the problem now with ERP we might as well let it go back to square one and abolish ERP instead of paying all the monies and causing costs of living to go up and yet traffic situation is getting worse. -
means as long as more money go their pockets, who cares about whether car jam or mrt jam
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create more jobs for themselvesOriginally posted by FireIce:means as long as more money go their pockets, who cares about whether car jam or mrt jam
Case 1:
put ERP in one place, lessen congestion
congestion moves to another place
minister puts idea to put ERP in the new congested place, lessens congestion
KPI fulfilled because he lessened congestion
The vicious cycle continues.
Case 2:
rich and poor gap widening
introduces some freebies, one-time welfare to the poor
rich and poor gap is reduced
KPI fulfilled coz gap is reduced
KPI good, so minister's pay go up, introducing a widening of the rich and poor gap again
introduces some freebies again.
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The vicious cycle continues -
either way u are farked
if u drive, pay more ERP
if u take public transport, pay higher fare -
Hey you got to applaud their business mindsOriginally posted by robertteh:At the forum with Minister Raymond Lim televised today over Channel 5, it is obvious that the Minister was unable to answer to the irate Thomson residents' query : "We don't mind to pay the ERP but what we are frustrated is despite paying the ERP the traffic situation does not improve."
Minister was unable to satisfy the residents in his reply: "If we do not have ERP, traffic will get worse. That is why we have other measures including COEs and better bus services. Just like the bus service if we abolish the fee increases bus fleet may go down and eventually service will go down."
It is so sad that the ERP has been proposed as the ultimate solution to the traffic congestion problem but now the residents have to bear higher and higher costs and unlike being presented as the final solution it has not solve the traffic problem at all despite all the fees being paid.
The residents in Thomson are right in saying that if we cannot solve the problem now with ERP we might as well let it go back to square one and abolish ERP instead of paying all the monies and causing costs of living to go up and yet traffic situation is getting worse.
ERP to our road congestion problem is like patching is to Windows.
Windows patch patch patch, then release new version to make you pay for the bugs they have patched.
ERP makes you pay to patch the bug (road congestion), but overtime, will come back again, and you pay more. -
the problem with jam on some roads and highways are due to the poor design...the moment you enter the highway, there's an exit not too far ahead...with inbound and outbound vehicles jostling for the same space, surely no amount of erp fee is gonna solve that problem....
have any of them tried taking a train during peak hour? plenty times you are unable to board the trains.... -
or im br3ast to br3ast or butt to butt with ppl tt i don't knowOriginally posted by countdracula:have any of them tried taking a train during peak hour? plenty times you are unable to board the trains....
and nobardie will care who is molesting who or being molested cos all we want is to just go home for dinner with our family............. -
Originally posted by FireIce:or im br3ast to br3ast or butt to butt with ppl tt i don't know
and nobardie will care who is molesting who or being molested cos all we want is to just go home for dinner with our family.............
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One solution: Improve the public transport, let both transport operators(SBST and SMRT) to ply into each other control of area with the exception of feeder services.
Allocate more funds to the transport ministry, let citizens have a greater say on creating of new bus routes(with a few group of people supporting and with valid reasons)
Allocate more bus lanes around Singapore, extend the bus lane operating hours to everday.
Building of more MRT lines.
From there, the government can limit the amount of cars by telling them that they have improved on the public transport sector. And people can reach their destination faster.
But Singaporeans need to be patient(all this will take a few years to be initiated if the government want)
If not they complain bus wait for so long, this and that.
Then the company can oppose by saying:
1) Not many people taking this bus service
2) Traffic Jam
All this reasons that are related above is partly due to increasing number of cars in Singapore. If they want improvement? Wait patiently, and support the public transport sector and not purchasing of cars which will add more problems. -
Better spend money on specialised carpool lanes into the CBD on the expressways, re-introduce car pooling as a concept and let it take root in the culture.
Same as taxi-pooling.
Don't see the problem with sharing a cab with strangers if everyone's heading to work in a particular area.
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hmm.... it is something like fair fare fark?Originally posted by FireIce:either way u are farked
if u drive, pay more ERP
if u take public transport, pay higher fare -
car-pool = less ERP & COE earned.
car quota = less ERP & COE earned.
beef up bus & mrt quality & frequency = spend more, less profit
there are tons of good suggestions.
unfortunately, i doubt any of them will be acceptable by the ministers.
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They are just finding excuse to suck SG'reans dry to make up for the lobang in the treasury that was caused by their big fat salaries...
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if raising GST to 7% can help the poor, increasing ERP can also help to kerb congestion.
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Since when was ERP about controlling traffic?
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oei...your siggyOriginally posted by charlize:Since when was ERP about controlling traffic? -
Lol. ERP seems to be getting ineffective over the years. Roads like AMK Ave 6 at the junction of AMK Ave 3 are still jammed.
Initially, when ERP is introduced some years back, it seems to be an effective measure and other countries are learning from Singapore about public transportation policy. Now, it seems that ERP has become a one-stop solution to transport woes. Any transport problems, just increase ERP.
In my opinion, I feel that due to the higher standard of living and the booming economy, many Singaporeans can afford to buy cars. The vehicle population in Singapore has increased rather significantly from 799373 in year 2006 to 832996 in the period of Aug 2007 thanks to the statistics from Singapore Department of Statistics.
From 2005 754992 to 2006 799973 to 2007 832996, the increase seems to be getting bigger. Hence, jams can be seen everywhere.
In regards to about the standards of public transport, I have posted a comment and observation under 147 bunching problem at Singapore Buses Forum.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=284124
In summary, with the unforeseen traffic conditions such as traffic jams, bus bunching are going to get worse. So, if nothing is being done, expect a decline in bus service standards in terms of waiting times.
Bus bunching means that buses tend to cluster in groups as they travel along the bus route.
With perfect traffic conditions, in my opinion, bus bunching tend to occur due to the fact of having traffic lights which hamper the smooth travel of vehicles. However, with traffic jams occurring at certain parts of the route, buses will be clustered along the location where traffic jams occur.
This means that freq of buses will be more irregular. 28 mins, 2 mins, 4 mins, 4 mins in IRIS will be more of a common sight.
In my opinion, finding another solution into combating the common traffic jams seen at the roads is linked to bus service standards. What we want is the somooth freq of buses.
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If you ask the people, I bet 9/10 would think its about the traffic.Originally posted by charlize:Since when was ERP about controlling traffic? -
Many roads in sg are indeed very narrow. but reason can be sg no much land. But I still think the roads can be designed much much more efficient. Too many traffic lights also. I pitty people who buy expensive cars. can only drive upto a maximum speed of 90 km/h. Why do people buy super expensive sports cars in sg when their super turbo cars can only be allowed to run at 90km/h and that is on highways only? I guess image and showing off is very important to humans.Originally posted by countdracula:the problem with jam on some roads and highways are due to the poor design...the moment you enter the highway, there's an exit not too far ahead...with inbound and outbound vehicles jostling for the same space, surely no amount of erp fee is gonna solve that problem....
have any of them tried taking a train during peak hour? plenty times you are unable to board the trains.... -
ERP = Everyday Rob People...
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look at my ugly paintbrush image.
The most cock up thing is the merging lane after a junction. be it a T or cross junction.
I have notice there are many roads like this. and most of these road jam like siao during peak period.
The most impressive thingy i heard from a cabbie is to imagine some idiot car spoilt or kena accident on the bend exiting from stevens road from the PIE during peak period. the tow truck cannot get in nor the vehicle can get out, and PIE will jam dunno like what liao. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Oh really? If so, would the MAJORITY who are the only ones who enabled the top talents their chance to implement solutions for sg, not have shown their disapproval? Thus, this leads me to assume that the MAJORITY are ok with the COE, ERP, traffic jams and parking.
Better spend money on specialised carpool lanes into the CBD on the expressways, re-introduce car pooling as a concept and let it take root in the culture.
Same as taxi-pooling.
Don't see the problem with sharing a cab with strangers if everyone's heading to work in a particular area.
[b]ERP has not worked, and has merely worsened the traffic situation. [/b]
Minority not happy so?
MAJORITY decides. It holds a very important and highly responsible role. It must be held responsible.