SDP leaders hold protest outside Istana Oct 8 Monday
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hahaha.... that is your conclusion and linkage. Even if you want to be good or a hero, you also need guts! How many a times, I see people who knew what is right but shrunk when asked to make a stand or become dumb when asked to speak up!Originally posted by storywolf:so you mean it take guts to be dumb and foolish !!! Right on !!!
I much prefer a gutsy fool than a cowardly smart! -
the brave know the need and have the courage to do things
the stupid do things even when there is no need...Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:hahaha.... that is your conclusion and linkage. Even if you want to be good or a hero, you also need guts! How many a times, I see people who knew what is right but shrunk when asked to make a stand or become dumb when asked to speak up!
I much prefer a gutsy fool than a cowardly smart! -
so wat happened huh?
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Don't misunderstand his endeavours...Originally posted by airgrinder:i think he's stupid too
..you'd be surprised to see the truly STUPID ones when we look in our mirrors... -
a dumbo if you ask meOriginally posted by the Bear:what do you think?
he's a clown.. and not adverse to backstabbing either
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Haha. True true.Originally posted by HyperFocal:Don't misunderstand his endeavours...
..you'd be surprised to see the truly STUPID ones when we look in our mirrors... -
You like or hate him, at least he's still ensuring the Burmese situation gets some airtime.
The only stupidity in this world is when you think your views are the only truth, and refuse to be flexible in dealing with issues, rather than focusing on the character you love to hate. -
agreed.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You like or hate him, at least he's still ensuring the Burmese situation gets some airtime.
The only stupidity in this world is when you think your views are the only truth, and refuse to be flexible in dealing with issues, rather than focusing on the character you love to hate.
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what is the use of publicise himself, he can't even stand for election, he wanted to defend democracy just like JBJ, never give up,not like majority of Singaporeans who are selfish, kiasi, kiasu , ke kiang, ke poh, ke keOriginally posted by airgrinder:right intention, wrong method.
Sometimes, I wondered what's his real intention, is it really for the burmanese or trying to publicise himself... -
He's not a politician with Parliamentary ambitions. What he desires is beyond that, and is abstract, which I'm told many Singaporeans do not have a keen ability to appreciation (abstractions, not Parliament).Originally posted by t_a_s:what is the use of publicise himself, he can't even stand for election, he wanted to defend democracy just like JBJ, never give up,not like majority of Singaporeans who are selfish, kiasi, kiasu , ke kiang, ke poh, ke ke
Anyone must be blind if they think he wants to be an MP.
Chee is an activist first and foremost. As for being Sec-Gen of the SDP, that is merely secondary. -
don't grant him things he is unable to carry...
he's an idiot, and someone who brings SHAME to the country.. he has broken every single thing which a DIGNIFIED person will not do against his country...
his attacks have been against SINGAPORE, not just the gabrament..
learn and understand the difference..
your enemy's enemy may not be your friendOriginally posted by LazerLordz:He's not a politician with Parliamentary ambitions. What he desires is beyond that, and is abstract, which I'm told many Singaporeans do not have a keen ability to appreciation (abstractions, not Parliament).
Anyone must be blind if they think he wants to be an MP.
Chee is an activist first and foremost. As for being Sec-Gen of the SDP, that is merely secondary. -
Without courage all virtues lose their meaning. -Winston Churchill
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ya true true. am wasting my time hereOriginally posted by LazerLordz:You like or hate him, at least he's still ensuring the Burmese situation gets some airtime.
The only stupidity in this world is when you think your views are the only truth, and refuse to be flexible in dealing with issues, rather than focusing on the character you love to hate. -
The enemy of my enemy may not be my friend, but he is still useful if kept at arms' length.Originally posted by the Bear:don't grant him things he is unable to carry...
he's an idiot, and someone who brings SHAME to the country.. he has broken every single thing which a DIGNIFIED person will not do against his country...
his attacks have been against SINGAPORE, not just the gabrament..
learn and understand the difference..
your enemy's enemy may not be your friend
Like I said, it's a game of perceptions. It doesn't matter what any individual, especially the man in the street with little diffusable leverage think.
Weberian politics requires the population to be easily convinced that particular tall poppies be labelled in a zero-sum fashion as a kook.
Now while Chee's has his negative moments, let us not always diverge into the muddy waters of the big picture, oft-repeated ad naseum by those chaps you love to call the gabrament.
The issue here is the parallels/interaction between the Burmese junta and the role, much unsaid as it has been; of our cheng-hu. The only matter is the mileage and the vehicle for garnering that mileage. -
Coffeeshop talk CSJ is PAP agent, dont know true or not
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Well, if we trust coffeeshop talk most of the time, then we're not going to go very far are we.Originally posted by t_a_s:Coffeeshop talk CSJ is PAP agent, dont know true or not
Those comments are probably made by people who are not too able to see long-term for the impact of Chee's "silly antics" today. -
For some reason you assume anyone who dun side with your favourite personality, sides with government. Hmm....Originally posted by LazerLordz:The enemy of my enemy may not be my friend, but he is still useful if kept at arms' length.
Like I said, it's a game of perceptions. It doesn't matter what any individual, especially the man in the street with little diffusable leverage think.
Weberian politics requires the population to be easily convinced that particular tall poppies be labelled in a zero-sum fashion as a kook.
Now while Chee's has his negative moments, let us not always diverge into the muddy waters of the big picture, oft-repeated ad naseum by those chaps you love to call the gabrament.
The issue here is the parallels/interaction between the Burmese junta and the role, much unsaid as it has been; of our cheng-hu. The only matter is the mileage and the vehicle for garnering that mileage.
So can I say while the government has their negative moments, let us not always diverge into the muddy waters of the big picture, oft-repeated ad naseum by those chaps you love to call the true democrats? -
do you even know if the gabrament tried the changes from another method?
since when has sanctions worked?
so what? by isolating the junta, NO ONE will know what's going on and when there is a chance to do something, we have absolutely no leverage...
this is statescraft... something unpalatable..
the big picture.. the big picture... but the big picture is that CSJ has been disgracing himself, Singapore and everyone...
and most of all, he has emptied the bank of sympathy for the opposition here, and replaced it with cynicism with his antics and stupid stunts... just like this..
so when big things actually happen, people don't care anymore... it's just like his stupid stunts... we are desensitised to things like this already...
perhaps he is an MIW mole... because moles could not have done better...
we should not and must not ever forget that he was the one who turned the whole opposition into a laughingstock.. just when the time when the lot of them were gaining credibility...
so, call a turd a turd... he's one..
just ask the guy who founded party he heads now... and how much that blade sticking out of his back feels like... -
Do I?Originally posted by airgrinder:For some reason you assume anyone who dun side with your favourite personality, sides with government. Hmm....
So can I say while the government has their negative moments, let us not always diverge into the muddy waters of the big picture, oft-repeated ad naseum by those chaps you love to call the true democrats?
Read again.
As for the Bear, you're missing my point entirely.
But then again, who am I to push my views down the throats of others aye.. -
No, give this man, a Tiger!Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Give this man some credit - GUTS is what it takes. -
i think u watch too much wu jian dao oreadi..Originally posted by t_a_s:Coffeeshop talk CSJ is PAP agent, dont know true or not
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"Police said that unlike Chee, Singaporeans and Myanmar nationals here have organised themselves to express their sentiments and concern for Myanmar unrest in a lawful manner."
This excerpt was taken from an article from CNA and I read it with interest. So the statement implies that what happened at the Myanmar embassy was lawful and Chee & Co were arrested because what he did today was unlawful. Makes sense as according to CNA, "As the place is a gazetted area and the gathering contravened the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) (Prohibition of Assemblies and Processions — Istana) Order, police issued repeated warnings, asking the group to leave.
But they persisted with the demonstration. So the police seized the placards and arrested Chee and the others".
Are we then allowed to organise ourselves to express our sentiments and concern in a lawful manner as long as it is in a lawful manner and in a non-gazetted area ?
What then is lawful ? 5 and above are considered an illegal assembly. CNA has this to add: "The police noted that this latest incident is linked to another incident involving Chee.He had staged an unlawful assembly at the Myanmar embassy on 30 September". and "Authorities have reiterated the call to the public not to participate in any illegal gathering".
Now what is what ? If Singaporeans gather and express our concerns without placards etc in a non-gazetted area, it is lawful but at the same time unlawful because that will constitute an illegal assembly ?
I appreciate that the illegal assembly law is useful against people who may intend to create unrest/crime etc However, that is a very grey area even though the police exercises discretion case to case.
Its ridiculous for an act to be lawful and unlawful at the same time. -
Channel NewsAsia - 2 hours 34 minutes ago
Police arrest SDP chief Chee, four supporters for unlawful protest
SINGAPORE: Police on Monday arrested SDP chief Chee Soon Juan and four Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) supporters for staging an unlawful demonstration at the Istana Park facing the main entrance of the Istana.
The four are his sister Chee Siok Chin, John Tan, Ghandi Ambalam and Jeffery George.
Chee and his supporters were holding placards at the demonstration.
As the place is a gazetted area and the gathering contravened the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisance) (Prohibition of Assemblies and Processions — Istana) Order, police issued repeated warnings, asking the group to leave.
But they persisted with the demonstration. So the police seized the placards and arrested Chee and the others.
The police noted that this latest incident is linked to another incident involving Chee.
He had staged an unlawful assembly at the Myanmar embassy on 30 September.
Police said that unlike Chee, Singaporeans and Myanmar nationals here have organised themselves to express their sentiments and concern for Myanmar unrest in a lawful manner.
Chee and the four are out on bail and investigations are ongoing.
Authorities have reiterated the call to the public not to participate in any illegal gathering. — CNA/ir -
protest outside istana.......
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Is a gathering at the Istana for New year legal or not?
What then is lawful ? 5 and above are considered an illegal assembly. CNA has this to add: "The police noted that this latest incident is linked to another incident involving Chee.He had staged an unlawful assembly at the Myanmar embassy on 30 September". and "Authorities have reiterated the call to the public not to participate in any illegal gathering".
Now what is what ? If Singaporeans gather and express our concerns without placards etc in a non-gazetted area, it is lawful but at the same time unlawful because that will constitute an illegal assembly ?
I appreciate that the illegal assembly law is useful against people who may intend to create unrest/crime etc However, that is a very grey area even though the police exercises discretion case to case.
Its ridiculous for an act to be lawful and unlawful at the same time.[/b]
Is a gatherng at a funeral wake legal or not?
Is a gathering to sing Majullah Singapura legal or not?
Is a gathering to buy 4D legal or not?
Is a gathering in a toilet to pee legal or not?