SDP leaders hold protest outside Istana Oct 8 Monday
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Not hypocrisy lah. It is actually 'show by example'.Originally posted by (human):Urging Junta not to suppress thier people, now they arrested this 5 harmless protestors outside Istana, are the PAP and the Lees not showing the world thier hypocrisy? Shame on them.
The PAP is showing the Junta how you can stop a protest without taking a single life. -
Gambari should intercede in Negara not Yangon. An amendment should have been made to the US-backed resolution to condemn worsening of human right suppression.Originally posted by (human):Urging Junta not to suppress thier people, now they arrested this 5 harmless protestors outside Istana, are the PAP and the Lees not showing the world thier hypocrisy? Shame on them. -
Oh yes, showing how to take away people natural rights without killing. Going against human rights without even firing a shot, no other tyrants can match that. Isn't it?Originally posted by Icemoon:Not hypocrisy lah. It is actually 'show by example'.
The PAP is showing the Junta how you can stop a protest without taking a single life. -
best part is .. 66.6% won't even call you a tyrant.Originally posted by (human):Oh yes, showing how to take away people natural rights without killing. Going against human rights without even firing a shot, no other tyrants can match that. Isn't it?
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GRC system prevented people from voting, how can 66.6% represent the real number?Originally posted by Icemoon:best part is .. 66.6% won't even call you a tyrant. -
out of 10 ppl i ask 8 say PAP no good but how come they get 66.6%???, next GE I think they will get 55.5% but still they become the gavernmentOriginally posted by (human):GRC system prevented people from voting, how can 66.6% represent the real number? -
singaporeans not cooperative how to get elected, and before you participate, they will intimidate u thru defamation, income tax chagres, etcOriginally posted by hloc:Well and Good that the Myanmar issue is kept 'alive'.......
But shouldn't CSJ put more effect in S'pore 1st
I mean..... his not even able to get himself or any SDP member elected as MP..... and yet instate of trying to connect to more S'porean, there he goes again to 'Martyr' himself....... waste of time and effect.
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66.6% was the percentage out of the total number votes.. not 66.6% of the entire population..
they sure do like to play around with the 66.6% excuse..
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It is obvious that Chee and his ilk wanted to get themselves arrested and they get arrested and their wishes fulfilled. I wonder why there are so much cheers and laments around when they wanted and fulfilled their aims.
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In case some of you missed this clip, you may want to watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tISbyrVKvIQ&mode=related&search=
Knowing they can't beat the gahmen, they still stand tall. -
CSJ is doing this to attract the attention of the human rights organizations.
This may cause the US, EU and UN to pressure SGP to support the sanction against Burma and for SGP govt to come clean on the alleged illegal dealings with the Burmese junta.
There are already calls to boycott Beijing's Olympic games. This makes China to sit up straight to pay attention. -
CSJ is doing this to attract the attention of the human rights organizations.
Right on. And also the local and foreign media.
He is not sympathetic to the Burmese plight.
He is hijacking the crisis for his own ends.
He is riding on the Burmese, rather than helping them.
As usual CSJ never fails to cut his nose to spite the government.
Dispite all his bravado about fighting for democracy, human rights, fighting against unjust law, he is deliberately being lawless to draw attention to himself. Rather like a juvenile deliquent taking to drugs, and taking part in abnoxious activities, to act out against the parents.
High academic qualifications does not equal education, he proves it.
His aim has never been democracy or human rights. These are just justifications for him to humiliate the government in return.
The best opposition political party with 3 seats in Parliament, reduced to what you see in the pictures.
What noble ends could result in this?
None
He is destructive, and the emotion that produces that, is hatred. -
respect the law FIRST.Originally posted by mancha:CSJ is doing this to attract the attention of the human rights organizations.
Right on. And also the local and foreign media.
He is not sympathetic to the Burmese plight.
He is hijacking the crisis for his own ends.
He is riding on the Burmese, rather than helping them.
As usual CSJ never fails to cut his nose to spite the government.
Dispite all his bravado about fighting for democracy, human rights, fighting against unjust law, he is deliberately being lawless to draw attention to himself. Rather like a juvenile deliquent taking to drugs, and taking part in abnoxious activities, to act out against the parents.
High academic qualifications does not equal education, he proves it.
His aim has never been democracy or human rights. These are just justifications for him to humiliate the government in return.
The best opposition political party with 3 seats in Parliament, reduced to what you see in the pictures.
What noble ends could result in this?
None
He is destructive, and the emotion that produces that, is hatred.
just like Aung San Suu Kyi. -
I look at this event on its own merit and do not (like others) make linkages or connections to CSJ's past actions or speeches. Put it this way: whatever may be the underlying motives (which many here have made), the action of standing in the rain with placards stating clearly what the demo was about should be taken at face value. To me: it is the stand. I am not concerned about the flaws in his character or otherwise. Too many here are ready to condemn and point fingers as though they are saints or angels. Does it mean a criminal, a bankrupt, a prisoner, a stupid person, a do-no-good has no conscience or feelings for the repressed people of Burma?
Please take a look at yourself and show us your concern before you make so much innuedoes and comments that smack of 'smart aleckness". -
Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:
A down-and-out person can feel for the Burmese, and if he want to show it, well good. Then just show it. Period. But if that person tries to procure a job using the crisis as a platform, then what do you think of that person?
I look at this event on its own merit and do not (like others) make linkages or connections to CSJ's past actions or speeches. Put it this way: whatever may be the underlying motives (which many here have made), the action of standing in the rain with placards stating clearly what the demo was about should be taken at face value. To me: it is the stand. I am not concerned about the flaws in his character or otherwise. Too many here are ready to condemn and point fingers as though they are saints or angels. Does it mean a criminal, a bankrupt, a prisoner, a stupid person, a do-no-good has no conscience or feelings for the repressed people of Burma?
Please take a look at yourself and show us your concern before you make so much innuedoes and comments that smack of 'smart aleckness". -
Just bcos a person has a past and a political agenda which you and I may not agree, it doesn't mean I have to demean CSJ's recent action. I see the demo as a separate issue from his past political mavericks or whatever. I say I salute his guts and those who stood in the rain to make known their convictions whatever their background.Originally posted by mancha:A down-and-out person can feel for the Burmese, and if he want to show it, well good. Then just show it. Period. But if that person tries to procure a job using the crisis as a platform, then what do you think of that person?
I think you judged a person more than you judge the purpose of the event!!!! -
the character assination must have worked. from a petty thief (courier services) to a "real dangerous man"Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Just bcos a person has a past and a political agenda which you and I may not agree, it doesn't mean I have to demean CSJ's recent action. I see the demo as a separate issue from his past political mavericks or whatever. I say I salute his guts and those who stood in the rain to make known their convictions whatever their background.
I think you judged a person more than you judge the purpose of the event!!!! -
typical of pap propagandaOriginally posted by SevenEleven:the character assination must have worked. from a petty thief (courier services) to a "real dangerous man" -
Never tot i will agree with u.... in this topic i do... CSJ, for whatever his bad still manage to stand firm on his believe and fight for it. That I too salute his guts. If only it was done properly with a better agenda in a better and more effective way.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Just bcos a person has a past and a political agenda which you and I may not agree, it doesn't mean I have to demean CSJ's recent action. I see the demo as a separate issue from his past political mavericks or whatever. I say I salute his guts and those who stood in the rain to make known their convictions whatever their background.
I think you judged a person more than you judge the purpose of the event!!!!
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CSJ succeeded in using the Burmese plight. It garnered your sympathy.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Just bcos a person has a past and a political agenda which you and I may not agree, it doesn't mean I have to demean CSJ's recent action. I see the demo as a separate issue from his past political mavericks or whatever. I say I salute his guts and those who stood in the rain to make known their convictions whatever their background.
I think you judged a person more than you judge the purpose of the event!!!!
As Earl said it "If only it was done properly with a better agenda in a better and more effective way."
He was warned repeatedly to leave the gazetted area to another place.
He refused.
He is persistent in "cutting his own nose to spite the government."
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After reading GMSÂ’s thread about SingaporeÂ’s constitutional right to peaceful assembly, I think a more effective way to do it is to NOT protest at all.
Any restrictions on the right of assembly must be "necessary". That is not the same as "convenient" or "expedient". Furthermore, there is a fundamental distinction between restriction and suppression of a right. ThatÂ’s HKÂ’s legal framework.
SingaporeÂ’s restriction clauses are actually suppression clauses.
CSJ is asserting his individual right according to UNÂ’s Universal Declaration Of Human Rights. There's nothing wrong with that. -
Problem being Parliament has not ratified the UDHR since signing it. The Declaration has never been ratified into a local statute.Originally posted by googoomuck:After reading GMSÂ’s thread about SingaporeÂ’s constitutional right to peaceful assembly, I think a more effective way to do it is to NOT protest at all.
Any restrictions on the right of assembly must be "necessary". That is not the same as "convenient" or "expedient". Furthermore, there is a fundamental distinction between restriction and suppression of a right. ThatÂ’s HKÂ’s legal framework.
SingaporeÂ’s restriction clauses are actually suppression clauses.
CSJ is asserting his individual right according to UNÂ’s Universal Declaration Of Human Rights. There's nothing wrong with that.
You want to get things done, try pressuring or lobbying the govt to ratify this. At least there's a legal premise at the moment to strike off the Amendments that limit Article 14 as a legal basis for challenging any detention or arrest, much less the licensing requirement for assembly.
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aaah ..... that's political game-manship. Every politician or party will use whatever means to further their agenda. You can see it here in this forum too!Originally posted by mancha:CSJ succeeded in using the Burmese plight. It garnered your sympathy.
As Earl said it "If only it was done properly with a better agenda in a better and more effective way."
He was warned repeatedly to leave the gazetted area to another place.
He refused.
He is persistent in "cutting his own nose to spite the government."
That is not magnanimous.
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When CSJ was accepted into the SDP, he has already a strong political platform to question the incumbent government. What better platform can there be for a noob in politics than the SDP in 1979.
Question the incumbent government and put them to task.
Question them and make them accountable.
That is what he always purport to be the aim for his misdemeanour.
He can achieve better democracy for Singapore (the country he love, ?), by getting elected on his own merits, than appointing himself to fight for democracy on behalf of Singaporean. And choose to bellyache about the lack of democracy and opportunities for him (after he destroyed the opportunities available to him).
He is supposed to be a learned gentleman.
He should be able to achieve his perceived aims.
He been at the governments buttocks for more than 20 years.
He could be a greater check and balance guy than CST and LTK combined in Parliament in all that time. He only need to be honest and sincere in his quest.
But alas he is not beyond deceiving and falsehood.
"If only it was done properly with a better agenda in a better and more effective way."
Do not see virtue where there is none. -
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSSIN7597120071010
Excerpts from Reuters article:
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Singapore, one of Myanmar's biggest investors, is under pressure from rights groups to use its economic clout to push the generals down along a more democratic path.
According to the Economist Intelligence Unit, Singapore was Myanmar's largest source of foreign funding last year with US$47.5 million in investments, followed by Russia and Britain.
Singapore is a key investor in Myanmar's tourism sector, provides medical care for the regime's generals and is seen as a financial centre for the Myanmar elite.
"There are not many countries that the military regime can rely on today, and Singapore is one of them," Sann Aung, a Bangkok-based leader of the government-in-exile set up after the junta ignored the 1990 election results, told Reuters.
The city-state's links with the junta have come under fire from rights groups and led to calls to take a tougher stance.
European Union parliamentarians visiting the island last week called on Singapore to ease bank secrecy laws and seize assets of Myanmar's generals, or risk a proposed pact with the EU.
Burma activist groups last week urged the U.S. Senate foreign relations committee to compel Singapore banks to freeze the accounts of junta leaders, and prohibit U.S. institutions from dealing with those that refuse.
Freezing the overseas assets of Myanmar's generals "would at least deprive the regime of the means to buy more weapons, and put pressure on it to carry out reforms," said Debbie Stothard of the Bangkok-based Alternative ASEAN Network on Burma. Continued...