They say if drop citizen can withdrall all cpf?
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My questions are just for understanding that is all. Of course, I dun mean that anyone would want to do this. Its just a question asking if its possible.Originally posted by 4getmenot:sure you can of course live in this world... but where is the question? being 'citizenless', what makes you think you are able to travel freely around the globe?? Its the opposite actually..
Thus, it is possible for a person to be citizenless. that is all I needed to know.
I still need clarification / confirmation to the question : can a PR stay as PR in country A when he has dropped his citizenship. No need to say if suddenly the PR revoked. I just asking and want to know, technically, can a PR drop his citizenship of country B and remain as PR in country A. Hope its clear. -
Those PR in Spore is attracted by the strength of the local currency n the CPF which paid better but if u asked them to stay here, they might think twice
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Question: Can a PR stay as a PR in country A when he dropped his citizenship?Originally posted by reddressman:My questions are just for understanding that is all. Of course, I dun mean that anyone would want to do this. Its just a question asking if its possible.
Thus, it is possible for a person to be citizenless. that is all I needed to know.
I still need clarification / confirmation to the question : can a PR stay as PR in country A when he has dropped his citizenship. No need to say if suddenly the PR revoked. I just asking and want to know, technically, can a PR drop his citizenship of country B and remain as PR in country A. Hope its clear.
Answer: No . Because his PR visa is on the passport of country B he is a citizen of . If the passport is revoked, every single visa on that passport becomes invalidated. Therefore making him an illegal stateless migrant in country A. -
PR is not equal to citizenship. I find that some Singaporeans on the forums seem to think PR means citizenship.
If you have citizenship , you are entitled to carry the passport of that country you are a citizen of under the conditions that you are a law abiding citizen.
For example
If you have Australian PR , your passport is that of Singapore. Your priviledge to stay in Australia is based on the validity of your Australian PR visa which is totally dependent on the validity of your Singaporean passport. You do not have the right to apply for an Australian passport.
If your Singaporean passport gets revoked , you effectively becomes stateless and therefore your Australian PR Visa is void. You will be considered as an illegal migrant and will be promptly transferred to the detention camp if they caught you.
Another example
You have Australian citizenship ( meaning you have the Naturalisation documents and taken the pledge of citizenship officially, NOT PR visa) and you hold Singaporean citizenship. Singapore revokes your passport because you are not allowed to have dual citizenship. You can still apply for an Australian passport because you are a citizen and legally in Australia. -
Originally posted by fymk:
excellent reply. Thank you very much!
PR is not equal to citizenship. I find that some Singaporeans on the forums seem to think PR means citizenship.
If you have citizenship , you are entitled to carry the passport of that country you are a citizen of under the conditions that you are a law abiding citizen.
For example
If you have Australian PR , your passport is that of Singapore. Your priviledge to stay in Australia is based on the validity of your Australian PR visa which is [b]totally dependent on the validity of your Singaporean passport. You do not have the right to apply for an Australian passport.
If your Singaporean passport gets revoked , you effectively becomes stateless and therefore your Australian PR Visa is void. You will be considered as an illegal migrant and will be promptly transferred to the detention camp if they caught you.
Another example
You have Australian citizenship ( meaning you have the Naturalisation documents and taken the pledge of citizenship officially, NOT PR visa) and you hold Singaporean citizenship. Singapore revokes your passport because you are not allowed to have dual citizenship. You can still apply for an Australian passport because you are a citizen and legally in Australia. [/b]
Thus, the moral of the story being get a new citizenship before you drop the current one to withdraw all or for whatever reason, in future where future is unknown. -
The CPF minimum sum has already achieved some results.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20071023/tap-307363-231650b.html -
Fymk,
Singapore does not have to know if you have another passport.
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get ready for the opt-out scheme..Originally posted by will4:The CPF minimum sum has already achieved some results.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20071023/tap-307363-231650b.html
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Oh I don't. Just one Singaporean passport.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Fymk,
Singapore does not have to know if you have another passport.
Nothing else. Was just quoting an example for red what others do.
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Simply, renounce Singapore Citizenship, then you'll be allowed to withdraw all your CPF money.
To do that, you need some preplanning.
Set yourself up in another country first, then officially renounce citizenship. -
That seems logical. My interpretation of TS question is that he wants to have the best of both world. A way to withdraw CPF and to enjoy a long retirement with the amount withdrawn.Originally posted by mancha:Simply, renounce Singapore Citizenship, then you'll be allowed to withdraw all your CPF money.
To do that, you need some preplanning.
Set yourself up in another country first, then officially renounce citizenship.
Hmmm .... research and planning is needed. Giving up citizenship is not difficult. Can you get another easily, free, and first-class one? -
It is easy to get a first class citizenship in another country - just make sure you have money first. Money makes the world colorblind.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:That seems logical. My interpretation of TS question is that he wants to have the best of both world. A way to withdraw CPF and to enjoy a long retirement with the amount withdrawn.
Hmmm .... research and planning is needed. Giving up citizenship is not difficult. Can you get another easily, free, and first-class one?
Personally, I would not call Singaporean citizenship first class at all. It is first class for the elites , not for people like me. -
What is ur definition of first class citizenship?Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:That seems logical. My interpretation of TS question is that he wants to have the best of both world. A way to withdraw CPF and to enjoy a long retirement with the amount withdrawn.
Hmmm .... research and planning is needed. Giving up citizenship is not difficult. Can you get another easily, free, and first-class one? -
Ok, political pundits are here to challenge me. Have you not heard of the many who emigrated and were treated like 2nd-class citizens? Your question is best answered by defining what a second-class citizen is:Originally posted by will4:What is ur definition of first class citizenship?
1) never fully accepted as the original son of soil
2) face social and employment prejudice and bias
3) treated as being in their adopted country bcos they can't make it in their own country, or compete with their fellow countrymen, or just want to enjoy the good things and privileges, or running away from .....
Of course, whether the above is experienced or not by an emmigrant is besides the point. You just have to see or hear how Singaporeans accept or treat 'new' citizens from China, India, Sri Lanka, etc. - not like them and cannot be equal to them! -
Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:
Hey, don't say this and accidentally scare off PRs who want to convert to citizen here leh.
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Ok, political pundits are here to challenge me. Have you not heard of the many who emigrated and were treated like 2nd-class citizens? Your question is best answered by defining what a second-class citizen is:
1) never fully accepted as the original son of soil
2) face social and employment prejudice and bias
3) treated as being in their adopted country bcos they can't make it in their own country, or compete with their fellow countrymen, or just want to enjoy the good things and privileges, or running away from .....
Are you sabotaging your own clan?
Gazelle, I am with you.
You only say bad about emigration. You are indirectly saying those who migrate here will not be so welcomed.
Don't sabo your clan. You got bonus in Dec, don't sabo your own bonus by shooting own foot. -
[/b]Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Ok, political pundits are here to challenge me. Have you not heard of the many who emigrated and were treated like 2nd-class citizens? Your question is best answered by defining what a second-class citizen is:
1) never fully accepted as the original son of soil
2) face social and employment prejudice and bias
3) treated as being in their adopted country bcos they can't make it in their own country, or compete with their fellow countrymen, or just want to enjoy the good things and privileges, or running away from .....
Of course, whether the above is experienced or not by an emmigrant is besides the point. [b] You just have to see or hear how Singaporeans accept or treat 'new' citizens from China, India, Sri Lanka, etc. - not like them and cannot be equal to them!
1) What difference does it make of Spore with other developed countries looking down on immigrants?
2) The Chinese national also faced social n employment prejudice by local. -
Well I must say that I certainly feel more first-class abroad, even as a short-term resident.
Even migrants can work at the highest levels of government Down Under.. I don't see what's the big fuss . -
Actually many local migrating but for those ardent fan, they seemed to give me the impression that here is the best n is a paradise.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well I must say that I certainly feel more first-class abroad, even as a tourist then. Even migrants can work at the highest levels of government Down Under.. I don't see what's the big fuss .
They bent on running down all their local who migrated to other developed countries. -
You may wish you can drop your Sillyporean citizenship as and when you want...but the law here states that you can only drop it once you can prove to Sillypore that you are a citizenship of another country....like what many others and myself have done....they will process your application to throw the Sillypore I/C into the Sillypore river once you show documentary proof that you are a citizen of another country. Then they give you an exit interview form to fill up. Whether or not you want to be politically correct in your answers or not is up to you. It's like whether you want to burn your bridges or not.Originally posted by reddressman:I am not able to fully appreciate your answers.
theoretically, in my view, a person can drop his cert as and when he choose. right?
If so, why must there be a condition that he has another citizenship before he can drop existing one?
Its my assumption that a person who drops his cert can be still allowed to live in the world even if he is no citizen of any country.
By this, I wonder how many people in this world has not citizenship or just have a PR, both cases I believe is possible.
I think there is an international law that says that no one can be stateless..therefore many of us including myself have adopted new countries by being citizens....
So I'd suggest if you want to join us, you'd better get citizenship first before you throw that pink i/c into the Sillypore river -
Precisely, but Sillypore demands to know if you have another passport if you want to throw little red dot passport into the Sillypore riverOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Fymk,
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Well... if you drop your citizenship, I do not think that you are able to apply as a PR....
And being a PR in another country will not allow you to drop your citizenship in SG. Unless you applied to be a citizen of that country.
Yes, you are able to stay in SG as a tourism and will need to go back to the country that you acquired citizenship as holiday duration is based on the country's limit... -
What to do, you will always have those who will run down people like us. It's not like we are treated like 1st class citizens here anyway. So what's the big deal.....I say more should emigrate and join us......get that citizenship so we can withdraw our cpf, courtesy of a cheque by DBS Bank after going through an exit interview at ICA....Originally posted by will4:Actually many local migrating but for those ardent fan, they seemed to give me the impression that here is the best n is a paradise.
They bent on running down all their local who migrated to other developed countries. -
Dear Caleb, this arrangement is a much better arrangement for us. Don't you know they treat foreigners better than Sillypore citizensOriginally posted by caleb_chiang:Well... if you drop your citizenship, I do not think that you are able to apply as a PR....
And being a PR in another country will not allow you to drop your citizenship in SG. Unless you applied to be a citizen of that country.
Yes, you are able to stay in SG as a tourism and will need to go back to the country that you acquired citizenship as holiday duration is based on the country's limit...
I say get another citizenship and come back here as a tourist.....its a globalized world anyway.....sure majority will remain loyal either out of want or desire, but not all will be loyal... -
Not political pundit but I can tell you I migrated out.Originally posted by TheGoodEarth:Ok, political pundits are here to challenge me. Have you not heard of the many who emigrated and were treated like 2nd-class citizens? Your question is best answered by defining what a second-class citizen is:
1) never fully accepted as the original son of soil
2) face social and employment prejudice and bias
3) treated as being in their adopted country bcos they can't make it in their own country, or compete with their fellow countrymen, or just want to enjoy the good things and privileges, or running away from .....
Of course, whether the above is experienced or not by an emmigrant is besides the point. You just have to see or hear how Singaporeans accept or treat 'new' citizens from China, India, Sri Lanka, etc. - not like them and cannot be equal to them!
Was I ever treated like a 2nd class citizen? Nope. Some ang moh salesgirl prefer to serve me because I am asian - to them means more likely to buy things than browse.
1. I never expect to be accepted as the original son of the soil. I have a label of migrant on me. So what? It is a fact . Why should I be sensitive to it?
2. Face social and employment prejudice and bias - so far I heard insensitive remarks from individuals but as for employment , I got a skill and whether they want me or not is their problem.There is always a higher bidder out there in the job market for me. The employment prejudice is when you don't have a skill at all which is pretty much the same as Singapore and other parts of the world.
3. Your statement is laughable. I do not expect to be treated as though I am born and bred in Australia because I am not. The thing I hear about "cannot make it in Singapore" are actually from Singaporeans which I blame the elitist system for encouraging that behaviour. The Australians know that we can compete with them and asians tend to have the reputation of being very efficient in work related matters.
Let me tell you something funny when I was interviewed.
The Australian interviewer made a remark to me " You asians are pretty good in math and statistics" . I don't know but I got the job . After that , I find out that there are tons of asian statisticians around in my section. So tell me - is that bias or praise? -
That cud be true for OZ. Except for the aborigines, no other in OZ is truly son of soil. The original wave of convicts have made themselves first of the first class there followed by other first class like the Lord.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well I must say that I certainly feel more first-class abroad, even as a short-term resident.
Even migrants can work at the highest levels of government Down Under.. I don't see what's the big fuss .