Financial Times apologies to PM Lee, MM Lee, Ms Ho Ching
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Without to much hassle, that is...
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Exactly, so is China. The world has a set of standards for the rich and another for the poor.
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Wait until Singapore go to the dogs than criticize?
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When is Singapore going to the dogs and how ? That is so subjective isn't it ? There isn't compelling evidence anyway.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Wait until Singapore go to the dogs than criticize? Opacity and dishonorable behavior are acceptable to you?
Of course we can criticize, i'm not saying we can't. -
Of course it is subjective, that is why there is a need for a free press so that all views come in and not the subjective views of only dishonorable people are read and considered.Originally posted by kramnave:When is Singapore going to the dogs and how ? That is so subjective isn't it ? There isn't compelling evidence anyway.
Of course we can criticize, i'm not saying we can't. -
Maybe..but what if the paper is pro-opposition ? What if journalists articles caters to viewership and prints what they want to hear but not what studies show ?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Of course it is subjective, that is why there is a need for a free press so that all views come in and not the subjective views of only dishonorable people are read and considered.
These things we have to think about and it has happened in papers worldwide.
I think the internet is already a good alternative. Then again we can argue that not everybody wants to use the internet and many would like a print addition. -
The most ideal case is when all the newspapers are neutral and objective. However in Singapore, none of the mass media is. All are pro-government and PAP.Originally posted by kramnave:Maybe..but what if the paper is pro-opposition ? What if journalists articles caters to viewership and prints what they want to hear but not what studies show ?
These things we have to think about and it has happened in papers worldwide.
I think the internet is already a good alternative. Then again we can argue that not everybody wants to use the internet and many would like a print addition.
Even if there is paper which is pro-opposition, it can act as an counter balance (provide alternative views) on the government. Hence, it becomes some sort of checking device on the government.
Consider the situation now. Some of the government policies did anger majority of ordinary Singaporeans. But do we see any of their frustration and disapproval published in the newspaper? or shown on the TV? No!
Eg is the policy to encourage the elderly to work beyond the retirement age by changing the CPF withdrawal age to 65. The TV shown 3 elderly people: 1 cleaner, 1 hotel door bell boy and 1 Mac cashier showing their ardent support for this policy. ***sort of lame cos implicitly they are saying the elderly are suited only to be cleaner or some other low paying jobs***
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As you can see in the forums... some views are biased... but the important thing is that, everyone is free to express their views and in the end, it is the best views that are accepted.Originally posted by Spartans:The most ideal case is when all the newspapers are neutral and objective. However in Singapore, none of the mass media is. All are pro-government and PAP.
Even if there is paper which is pro-opposition, it can act as an counter balance (provide alternative views) on the government. Hence, it becomes some sort of checking device on the government.
There should not exist a fear of biasness just as there are no such fears in the forums. -
Can you then explain what SPH was doing with NKF? do you call that pro-government? or are you going to say its another propaganda?Originally posted by Spartans:The most ideal case is when all the newspapers are neutral and objective. However in Singapore, none of the mass media is. All are pro-government and PAP.
Even if there is paper which is pro-opposition, it can act as an counter balance (provide alternative views) on the government. Hence, it becomes some sort of checking device on the government.
Consider the situation now. Some of the government policies did anger majority of ordinary Singaporeans. But do we see any of their frustration and disapproval published in the newspaper? or shown on the TV? No!
Eg is the policy to encourage the elderly to work beyond the retirement age by changing the CPF withdrawal age to 65. The TV shown 3 elderly people: 1 cleaner, 1 hotel door bell boy and 1 Mac cashier showing their ardent support for this policy. ***sort of lame cos implicitly they are saying the elderly are suited only to be cleaner or some other low paying jobs***
In this case, did the mass media publish any disapproval voice? I dun think so. -
You can accuse the government of doing anything as long as you can find facts back up what you said.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:As you can see in the forums... some views are biased... but the important thing is that, everyone is free to express their views and in the end, it is the best views that are accepted.
There should not exist a fear of biasness just as there are no such fears in the forums. -
If NKF could change the law, his son would have taken over and TT Durai would have appointed himself NKF Mentor
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NKF Durai has made a big mistake by trying to sue SPH for allegation of the golden tap n this is where the trouble started. After Durai got kicked out ofOriginally posted by Gazelle:Can you then explain what SPH was doing with NKF? do you call that pro-government? or are you going to say its another propaganda?
NKF, all the can of worm fone by him got reported by SPH. This is not surprising after all is an act of revenge. Come to think of it, how come Durai is still not in prison but in Dubai earning $25000 a month whereas Richard Yong is already in custody? -
Temasek investment has seen losses incurred in Shin Corp n BArclay but the heaviest losses is still Shin Corp which has seen the level of the sharesOriginally posted by Gazelle:the latest is SIA buying into China Eastern and make US$660 millions paper value gain within 1 day.
stop trying lah...your effort will only be appreciate by the sheep in this forum.
dropped. The little red dot has also seen its relationship with Thailand at its lowest ebb with former Junta leader, Gen(RTD) Sonthi threatening todowngrade relationship with Spore. -
How much did Temasek "lose" in Barclays ?
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*hint* People that do not know anything about accounting should not try to comment and make a fool of themselves...
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People that don't have an answer please refrain from replying.
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Just don't see the need why they deserve the apology from Financial Times when FT is stating facts that in Singapore and all over the world people are already aware of.
By making unnecessary fuss over the matter, they are simply giving themselves bad publicity that is all. Lee Family is a laughing stock. If the Lee family is so particular about the press talking about nepotism, then it is up to them to prove to singaporeans and the whole world that they are not practising nepotism. Zhuo zei xing xu. -
There is no such thing as principle where money is concerned, so they just go on and on to suck more and more money from both locals and foreigners. Zhen shi guo men de bu xing rang PAP zhuo zhi dang. The old man, hopeless son and ho jinx have no shame.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:When LHL was in NZ he was put to shame by the journalists.
I wonder how much that dishonorable family got from FT. Take public money, take money from FT and shame Singapore... what kind of scurrilous behavior is this? *pui pui pui*
Making such a fuss over facts that are known throughout Singapore but old man is not the least ashame of the incompetent, hopeless and substandard PM son of his. Instead of spending time pointing at the press, old man should spend time to think how to educate his beloved son to be an effective, capable, competent PM. -
If the figure is kept confidential, will anyone ever know?Originally posted by kramnave:I just want to know how much they lost thats all and its a very very simple question. -
Wow....I must really admire them.....I read the article at page 3....it's so vague and general....and yet they manage to make FT to issue an apology....tsk tsk tsk...
I really admire them...
Actually what did they do....how did they do it..?
I really admire them....really....
Nobody else can be so powerful.....wow....FT.....and dunno how many more foreign publications....which are all powerful media groups themselves.....but always end up bowing down and kneeling down....
It is really a sight to behold.....actually what did they do, I dont understand...??!
Meat Pao. -
OSA will prevent any confirmation of the facts.
Go figure, you idiots. -
MM has no qualms critizing about other countries, I think he should take it in good spirit about the article from FT. Since he loves to talk about other countries, he should be fair to allow other country to talk about his lee family as well. He is just so paranoid. He thinks by letting the media apologise to him and his two despicable family members he is telling the whole world he and his family are not to be bullied, then I think that is unnecessary, as by doing so he is giving more and more bad publicity to himself and his family. There are so many foreigners who say that he practises nepotism and it is LEe dynasty in Singapore, so is he going to tell all these people to apologise to him and he will sue them. Ruo yao ren bu zhi chu fei ji mo wei!Originally posted by Meat Pao:Wow....I must really admire them.....I read the article at page 3....it's so vague and general....and yet they manage to make FT to issue an apology....tsk tsk tsk...
I really admire them...
Actually what did they do....how did they do it..?
I really admire them....really....
Nobody else can be so powerful.....wow....FT.....and dunno how many more foreign publications....which are all powerful media groups themselves.....but always end up bowing down and kneeling down....
It is really a sight to behold.....actually what did they do, I dont understand...??!
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According to Times Online, Temasek paid 720p per share in July. In one month, Temasek lost 150m pounds when Barclays closed at 611p.
Today, the Barclays share is about 590p.
Correction: it's 720p, not 740p. -
cool...lets monitor how much they "lose" every month till they liquidate their holdings.Originally posted by googoomuck:According to Times Online, Temasek paid 720p per share in July. In one month, Temasek lost 150m pounds when Barclays closed at 611p.
Today, the Barclays share is about 590p.
Correction: it's 720p, not 740p.