Your remarks on your sg education system experience
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Only important in speaker's corner if its bad money management and accounting, else its not political news but business news. To be useful, wise and make sense in speaker's corner you must be anti-pap, anti-LKY and do not read ST no matter what, those are the essentials, no two ways about it. An optional one would be that no matter the consequences that may befall us, change is needed.Originally posted by Lin Yu:what about money management and accounting? -
If you like real life application so much, no offense, but you should just go and get the NTC cert *first*.Originally posted by Unidentified:only memorising will works , real life application dont works
After you have satisfied your thirst for real life application, then you can consider whether you want to upgrade to poly, then uni.
Go on.
By the way, what is real life application for top careers like doctors and lawyers? How can you be a doctor if you can't even memorise things? -
Actually we have quite a few breakthroughs in science and technology, like in genetic science? Not only sound blaster came from Singapore .. how about the thumbdrive from Trek?Originally posted by fymk:Doesn't matter if the concentration is ON or OFF maths and science , what international breakthroughs in science and technology had come out of Singapore since the creative sound blaster? -
Since 2001 many forum feedbacks have been given to feedback unit telling them to stop all the academic teachings and concentrate on practical broad-based education giving higher recognition to Poly ITE and other useful skill-educations and knowledge application courses.
Education must produce future entrepreneurs, technologists and skills to create jobs and new technology start-ups.
May be government has listened. May be not. Only ministers or EDB should know. We don't see new technology applications yet but there are a lot of talks of success just based on news and media hype.
If government wants to truly claim NUS and NTU are great success then the ministers must be able to show more like our NUS and NTU graduates have gone on to become most sought after employees all over the world like the graduates of Harvard or MIT etc.
Right now they could only contend within the small civil service and still not seen as contributing to the growth of the economy creating jobs winning Nobel Prizes or Scientific or Engineering awards.
NUS or NTU now only produce graduates who expect to be given high posts and high pays based on media hype and not real abilities yet. -
Originally posted by reddressman:Hello friends,
Based on your experience, being a product of the education system, could you comment how sg education system compares with foreign western ones?
which is more stressful?
all depends on you, how hard-working or grades you want!
which is more value-added?
depends on how much fees you paid!
which truely develops a person more than just knowing how to score points?
depends on the individuals, some just go thru the grind mill!
which develops a person to be more well-rounded?
depends on you, some just go home after class!
which system produce more vocal students and more opinionated new generation?
depends on whether one is a mute or not!
which produce more innovative, creative people?
depends on your gene or DNA. -
Maths is useful and necessary, but not A.Maths.
Huh .. A.Maths is useless skills? Laughing
You mean other countries don't teach Maths?
Edit: if Maths is really so useless, I wonder why Biz courses have so much Maths in them.
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It makes the transition into uni and poly simpler...
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Oh, I forgot to highlight...Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Singapore education system is not aimed at training intelligence or to develop people with critical thinking or analytical skills.
It is more aimed at motivating people to memorise useless facts or learn useless skills such as A.Maths etc.
The best things in the world, such as:
1. our text books on Accounting, Economics, Science, etc ALL , I mean really, ALL comes from the West.
2. best products and services, methodologies, best practises, etc majorly come from the west. I would say ALL originated from the west and Japan is innovative about these.
3. Medicine. West.
4. Whatever you touch , technology from where?
Singapore education.
Without the West. How can. anything be. ? -
Oh, I forgot to highlight...Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Singapore education system is not aimed at training intelligence or to develop people with critical thinking or analytical skills.
It is more aimed at motivating people to memorise useless facts or learn useless skills such as A.Maths etc.
The best things in the world, such as:
1. our text books on Accounting, Economics, Science, etc ALL , I mean really, ALL comes from the West.
2. best products and services, methodologies, best practises, etc majorly come from the west. I would say ALL originated from the west and Japan is innovative about these.
3. Medicine. West.
4. Whatever you touch , see or hear or use, technology from where?
I wonder which singapore originated text book is studied by anyone in this world. I mean, i belive many many right? but i no proof.
Without the West. How can. anything be. ?
I wonder how singapore education can be based on its own text book? maybe maybe not. like this say is safe. -
It makes the transition into uni and poly simpler...
Then the system is flawed. -
No offence , i trying to say that singapore edu system is like make u eat up the book and make sure you can spit everything back into the test paperOriginally posted by Icemoon:If you like real life application so much, no offense, but you should just go and get the NTC cert *first*.
After you have satisfied your thirst for real life application, then you can consider whether you want to upgrade to poly, then uni.
Go on.
By the way, what is real life application for top careers like doctors and lawyers? How can you be a doctor if you can't even memorise things?
Yup , im taking NTC now and is better than my sec sch life. During my course , i find that in theory i get infos of the intro process result. Is important i know , but when we step into pratical side , it different , during the ''process'' part , we encounter alot unexpected problem , and we often gathered with the teacher to discuss the problem. Well , i shd say i prefer alive studies
When one intrested in one field , he will have the passion to know more about it , studying it deeper , and to the basic. When you one it , you learn without being forced. So i personally feel that , we need basic till sec 1 , then move into various field to study their needed math or science
School is making us learn all math science watever in all field. math - algrebra sector , vector etc. but have we ever ask why we learn them for ?
What the real life application for these fomula ?
Are we going to be an engineer ?
How and where is this skill needed in engineering ?
Is there anywhere beside engineering i need these fomula ?
Or are wo learning it just to pass O lvl ?
But standing in MOE view ar , i think learn everything better la , coz young people nowaday no aim no goal , keep wasting own time , better make them learn everything so nxt time working still got 1 or 2 skill can use de
Really no offence , pls comment me if you got any view , i may be wrong Then we can discuss on my view -
Was newater invented by singapore in terms of the underlying technology?
Was MRT invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was AirBus invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Notebook invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was TV invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Newspaper invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was cable tv invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was internet invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was satellite invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Car invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was ERP gantry invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Road system invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was carpark system invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was University system invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Bus invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was any vehicle that u know invented (as different in meaning from innovated) by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was any super computer invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was HDB building invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was the shoe, clothes, underwear, spectacles, bra, slippers, socks, toothbrush, any thing u see in toilet invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
But then hor, I still believe sg great great until cannot the great great shiok shiok ah. -
Scientists, doctors and highly educated people of anywhere, the text books concepts, theories and literature. Come from which country?
Singarpeoa edicatione certainely must be also good good lah. -
I like to know, HOW TRUELY GREAT is sg educatione systemz?
GReat as in world leading. regarded by the world as the defacto standard.
Great system must produce great people. But Lousy system also produced great people.
system is one thing. But who from which country wrote the education text books used by the best intellectuals in the world studying in the best universities in the world like Oxford, Cambridge and all the usual suspects?
How does singapore university fare in this area? -
Certain things are useless.
Formulae, chemical equations, dates of events etc are what students memorise to score well.
But after we graduate and proceed to working life, these are really not useful at all. (assuming your're not an education officer or working in labs.)
I feel there should be more aspects on developing critical-thinking, Public Relations, and confidence. Isn't these the most essential and fundamental requirement to survive in this society? (compared to formulaes eqn etc) -
Singapore's Education System is overrated already.
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It is a mistake to assume one country can produce the best intellectuals. There are talents from every race. For example, if Einstein did not run to US, will he be a product of Germany? If Heisenberg ran to US, is he a product of Germany or US?Originally posted by reddressman:system is one thing. But who from which country wrote the education text books used by the best intellectuals in the world studying in the best universities in the world like Oxford, Cambridge and all the usual suspects?
However there is no dispute certain places are magnets for talents. Think about Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley today has not only ang mohs but talents from all over the world. India also has her own silicon valley, but it is not a good magnet like California.
I guess what Singapore is doing is to be a magnet for talent. We can still excel in niche areas, like research for SARS -
You guys selective reading ah?Originally posted by reddressman:Was the shoe, clothes, underwear, spectacles, bra, slippers, socks, toothbrush, any thing u see in toilet invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
I said the thumbdrive originated from a Singapore company. Trek holds the patent for it.
Arguably, Creative holds the patent for Ipod also.
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USA invented so many things.Originally posted by reddressman:Was newater invented by singapore in terms of the underlying technology?
Was MRT invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was AirBus invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Notebook invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was TV invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Newspaper invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was cable tv invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was internet invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was satellite invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Car invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was ERP gantry invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Road system invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was carpark system invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was University system invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was Bus invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was any vehicle that u know invented (as different in meaning from innovated) by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was any super computer invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was HDB building invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
Was the shoe, clothes, underwear, spectacles, bra, slippers, socks, toothbrush, any thing u see in toilet invented by singapore, in terms of the underlying technology?
But then hor, I still believe sg great great until cannot the great great shiok shiok ah.
But look, their educational system across the nation is totally a fiasco. -
Memorization is a form of training for your working life later. It is not what you memorize, but whether you can memorize sufficiently for your test a few weeks later.Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:Certain things are useless.
Formulae, chemical equations, dates of events etc are what students memorise to score well.
But after we graduate and proceed to working life, these are really not useful at all. (assuming your're not an education officer or working in labs.)
I feel there should be more aspects on developing critical-thinking, Public Relations, and confidence. Isn't these the most essential and fundamental requirement to survive in this society? (compared to formulaes eqn etc)
Most exams in your professional working life, be it CPA, CFA, IT-related certs, will involve some form of memory work.
Critical thinking is taught not as a subject, but a skill. Students learn this in their history/ss at secondary school level.
Creativity problem solving starts from primary school. The PSLE maths exam kinda illustrates the learning goal MOE has for students. -
Yes i agree.Originally posted by Icemoon:Memorization is a form of training for your working life later. It is not what you memorize, but whether you can memorize sufficiently for your test a few weeks later.
Most exams in your professional working life, be it CPA, CFA, IT-related certs, will involve some form of memory work.
Critical thinking is taught not as a subject, but a skill. Students learn this in their history/ss at secondary school level.
Creativity problem solving starts from primary school. The PSLE maths exam kinda illustrates the learning goal MOE has for students.
But what i'm trying to say is, students memorise hard before exams; during exams it's just vommiting out what they rmbed; after their exams they cleanly forget everything.
Then i ask u, is this education? I will strongly doubt so
IMHO, i only feel tt certain subjects are really educating the students. For instance: Language, Humans and Elementary Math. -
It is hard to appreciate unless you are in the field. And I agree understanding the real life application is important. For example, I suspect medical students do not truly learn anything until they go for their housemanship.Originally posted by Unidentified:School is making us learn all math science watever in all field. math - algrebra sector , vector etc. but have we ever ask why we learn them for ?
What the real life application for these fomula ?
Are we going to be an engineer ?
How and where is this skill needed in engineering ?
Is there anywhere beside engineering i need these fomula ?
Or are wo learning it just to pass O lvl ?
I guess you are right in a way, most young people no aim no goal. But can't blame them, after all if you are not properly exposed to something, how can you have interest in it? For example, before you start to play games, can you say you are hooked to it to the extent you want to be a professional gamer?
On the other hand, foundational skills are important too. You don't question why you are made to do the horse-stance for your chinese gongfu training. -
Based on what I learnt from pedagogy lessons, that one is not education.Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:But what i'm trying to say is, students memorise hard before exams; during exams it's just vommiting out what they rmbed; after their exams they cleanly forget everything.
Then i ask u, is this education? I will strongly doubt so
IMHO, i only feel tt certain subjects are really educating the students. For instance: Language, Humans and Elementary Math.
To be educated, you need to be 'transformed' in a certain way.
So I guess other than mentally exercising their brains, students in your scenario are not said to be educated. -
I can never draw the line between A.Maths and E.Maths.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Maths is useful and necessary, but not A.Maths.
Specialized subjects like A.Maths shouldn't be in a secondary school subject course.
For example I remember vectors and matrices were in my E.Maths syllabus years ago. And now vectors is in A.Maths. (The relative velocity part is a killer for many A.Maths students nowadays .. some schools don't even bother to really teach it) -
Actually our education system is really world class you know? The goal set by MOE is there, just that schools have trouble implementing it 'cos of variety of reasons.
For example, science now is not about regurgitation. Heard of SPA? The closest encounter I had to SPA was in JC, back then they called it design experiments. (edit: the point here is that actually we are having a balance in the way things are tested, but many of you choose to focus on the memorization part. look at history/ss source-based question .. you think it is pure regurgitation like last time?)
Now SPA is there in the secondary school pure science syllabus.