ERP helps more S'poreans to own cars: Minister
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I forgotten to include that making car loan is alot easier than before you and given get cash back in some cases. However that doesnt mean servicing loan is easier.Originally posted by the Bear:it's like abusing a child to make sure he grows up more upright..
I guess the difference is that Singaporeans are now given a choice to choose if they want to buy a car and how much they want to use them. -
making a car bloody expensive = helping singaporeans own cars?
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A 1.6 Mit lancer use to cost around $90 to 100K in the 90s, and they are about $60K today. isnt that cheaper?Originally posted by the Bear:making a car bloody expensive = helping singaporeans own cars?
like I said, cars are more expensive to run, partly also because of the petrol prices, but they are most affordable to own. -
Don't know what to say except to
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It must be damn good stuff.Originally posted by the Bear:i was laughing hysterically when i read that
i wonder what kind of heavy drugs is Raymond Lim on? -
doon be soo like dat wan lahOriginally posted by the Bear:i was laughing hysterically when i read that
i wonder what kind of heavy drugs is Raymond Lim on?
peeper very talent wan leh.
Acturely hor, my friends bought car all not for hao lian.
They all say the same reasons:
cannot tahan the waiting times for the bus!
I wonder how true this is?
I also cannot tahan and am going to buy 2nd hand car to avoid taking the bus.
To me personally, its either I vomit blood or pay more so as to pay less for medical bills in the long run . bo lp eh pian ah. -
The question asked: "if the ERP scheme has met the objectives that it was meant to achieve and if it has improved the traffic flow on expressways especially during peak hours.
This reply would have been sufficient: "In his reply, Mr Lim said since its implementation in 1998, ERP has been effective in maintaining average travel speeds on priced roads within the optimal speed range through regular reviews and rate adjustments. For example, average speeds on the expressways have remained at above 45km/h during peak hours."
But the Minister added: "The use of ERP to manage traffic has made it possible for more Singaporeans to own cars than we otherwise could, and our vehicle population has grown from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006."
I don't see the nexus between increased car ownership and road pricing.
Its like saying: Increasing the price of tickets to the Theater, has resulted in more Singaporeans now attending the concerts, because there are less jerks now.
Do more people buy cars because it can move?
People all around me, family members, neighbours, own cars.
With my extended family members (+ my wife's side) it is easier to know who do not own cars. All of the 11 families own cars, except 3. I am one of the 3.
Most of my neighbours own cars, and some colleagues too.
This despite Singapore having the highest markup for car prices in the world.
I attribute this to affluence, rather than the ERP, or even better traffic conditions.
No one buys a car because the traffic situation is good. Although a chaotic traffic gridlock like that of Bangkok would put some people off.
Perhaps, he should heed the old adage of not saying too much. It is always wise not to say more than is necessary. -
Yeah and when your bus finally arrives you have to squeeze with everybody or sometimes no space to squeeze even.
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Originally posted by Rock^Star:
Right.. So going by Mr Lim's logic, the only way to ease the traffic congestion plaguing the highways of Singapore would be to necessarily scrape the ERP system!
[b]Oct 22, 2007
ERP helps more S'poreans to own cars: Minister
Responding to a question for written reply in Parliament on Monday, Transport Minister Raymond Lim said this is reflected in the growth of Singapore's car population from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006.
THE use of Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) has made it possible for more Singaporeans to own cars.
Responding to a question for written reply in Parliament on Monday, Transport Minister Raymond Lim said this is reflected in the growth of Singapore's car population from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006.
Dr Fatimah Lateef, MP for Marine Parade GRC, had asked the Minister if the ERP scheme has met the objectives that it was meant to achieve and if it has improved the traffic flow on expressways especially during peak hours.
In his reply, Mr Lim said since its implementation in 1998, ERP has been effective in maintaining average travel speeds on priced roads within the optimal speed range through regular reviews and rate adjustments. For example, average speeds on the expressways have remained at above 45km/h during peak hours.
"The use of ERP to manage traffic has made it possible for more Singaporeans to own cars than we otherwise could, and our vehicle population has grown from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006," he added.
"It has also allowed the Government to rely more on car usage charges and less on car ownership taxes to manage traffic demand, and as a result, vehicle ownership taxes have been reduced. "
The Ministers said the government will continue with a holistic and integrated approach using all the tools available to keep the roads smooth-flowing. These include building more roads, regulating vehicle growth, implementing traffic engineering solutions, managing traffic demand through ERP and promoting the use of public transport.
Source: ST
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So what are we waiting for? -
Now you can afford to buy a car park space at your HDB carpark to park your car.
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Eh. It's like selling handphones at $10 then charge $100/min for calls and $5/sms. And ya, more people can own handphones that way too, just that only a few will be using them. What an ingenious idea to boost car ownership while reducing road traffic.
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I think the title should be:
ERP helps Singapore Ministers to own more cars -
WTF?! What sort of logic is that? Increasing ownership and discouraging usage simultaneously? We must have some very full carparks.
Since when was it our business to put more cars on the road when we are straining to cope? Why do we have to wait until 2009 just to review the vehicle growth rate (which is what is really allowing more people to own cars)? 
*Explanation: We haven't reached M1 levels of congestion but all it takes is a road closure or a big event - or even the weekend, or any occasion where a huge number of people will be in one place - and it's impossible to move or find a parking lot there.
And all this while they've done **** all to promote diesels and clean technologies. -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Bo liao ass sniffing so called representative of the people. Ask bo liao questions. Why not ask if the objectives could be met with less costs to the public and put it to them that if they cannot do it then just step down instead of winning elections in a dishonorable manner.Originally posted by John Wong:[b]Dr Fatimah Lateef, MP for Marine Parade GRC, had asked the Minister if the ERP scheme has met the objectives that it was meant to achieve and if it has improved the traffic flow on expressways especially during peak hours. -
I wonder why Mr Lim did not answer the question SPECIFICALLY -
because all they know how to do extremely well is take public money to put into their own pocket... and win elections dishonorably...
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for other things, they just tax you to death to solve the problem...
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which goes to show that they have no imagination and ability to find an equitable solution... this kind of solutions, grab the money from the people and throw at the problem, why do we need to pay people so many millions to come up this kind of crapz solutions?
Any ah gong and ah ma can do it for a toilet cleaner's pay. -
Reducing road tax made it easier to buy a car. Agreed.Originally posted by Gazelle:Implementing ERP and reducing road tax and import duties are part of the overall plans to make it easier for people to buy cars. but that doesnt mean that running a car is any cheaper.
To say ERP has helped local own a car is the joke in local politics. -
maybe he simply can't?Originally posted by deathscythe99:I wonder why Mr Lim did not answer the question SPECIFICALLY -
what he mean was....buy a car & park at home...Originally posted by sbst275:Promote public tpt and car ownership at the same time
Wat's going on?
what he mention is car ownership, not car user....
road pricing will only make those real road user like customer service personal, sales person surfer as it is a must for them to travel on the road no matter how high ERP gping to be...
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U forgot one thing: Training the first local football team to go 2010 World cup.Originally posted by fudgester:First, teachers are asked to use hip-hop to improve English standards.
Then, dating clubs for secondary schools are proposed to increase the birth rate.
Now, electronic road pricing helps Singaporeans to own cars.
Basket.... what's next? -
Telling others we're revulsed by the Burmese junta and arresting Chee for saying the same thing.
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Let me try to dig up an old thread..... wait....
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$M dollar salary only can fit minor thinking??Originally posted by airgrinder:wah the fish is he talking about!! ERP actually helps people to owns
cars??!!