ERP helps more S'poreans to own cars: Minister
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I wonder what will the 150000 local in other countries react after listening to this kind of report?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
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ERP, road tax, import tax and COE etc are all inter-related and it is all about balancing act.Originally posted by will4:Reducing road tax made it easier to buy a car. Agreed.
To say ERP has helped local own a car is the joke in local politics.
Reducing road tax and import tax, and issuing more COE are loses to the government, while ERP will help to compensate for that. So what they are saying is that without ERP, we will not reduce the road tax and import tax etc..
So technically speaking, it is right to say that ERP has made car ownership more affordable. but it is not to say that it is cheaper to run a car in Singapore. -
sooner or later, they will tell you the increase in the number of china prostitutes in geylang is to help Singapore men to have more sex and Singapore women to buck up a bit and give their men more sex...
You find it hilarious... that's what we called uniquely Singapore
ERP helps more Singaporeans to own cars... haiz... they always trying to twist the facts
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Best joke of the day
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they will laugh at us... beri good... suffering like hell hereOriginally posted by will4:I wonder what will the 150000 local in other countries react after listening to this kind of report?
btw, they are no more called local, please call them FTs -
no... best joke of the yearOriginally posted by elindra:Best joke of the day -
What Raymond Lim said is correct, at least IMHO.
As what Gazelle mentioned, i agree.
Higher ERP = lessen the road tax, COE.
allowing most to buy/own a car with little or no initial capital at all (however does not mean maintaining it)
anyway, if you do not have money, don't buy car, simple as that. -
Is the ERP supposed to serve that purpose ( helping more ppl to own cars ) ? Isn't it supposed to curbed traffic jams ?
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long long time ago.... when SGP 1st came out with COE is to control the acrs on the road.... minimising the 1 family many cars problem....
Now .... COE was reduced so that ppl can own cars which is inline with SGP advancement to the first world country...(at the expense for SGPreans)
they wana see 7 in 10 SGPreans own cars....
Alrite now ERP.... erp/restricted zone was implemented to control traffic conditions on E'ways and town area.... well i agree for town area ERp but i dun agree to the timing/days.... E'ways control traffic....for ERP will prevent ppl from using.... thats their claims.... So imagine every driver in SGP ban E'ways....??? and travel elsewhere.... they will set up elsewhere... u can run but u cannot hide.... in future it will be juz outside ur carpark...
They set ERP on eg. PIE ... drivers will avoid and PIE becomes ok smooth... drivers will try to use AYE,KJE,BKE to do detour.... then they realise "sales" running away then they will set in elsewhere.... bcoz they believe if the massess dun come to you, you muz go to the massess....
Anyway juz stop whining.......... U chose ur Government...... U made ur choice.... so live wif it..... -
and GST helps people to afford stuff, same logic.
that's what they said the last time anyway.
you first day know PAP government?
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more singaporeans own cars means afforadability increases, cars are cheaper compare to last time, nothing to do with ERP, ERP is just another extra tax since they lower the road tax. Why a minister like him cant visulise?
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I think your left brain is disconnected with the right one...Originally posted by t_a_s:more singaporeans own cars means afforadability increases, cars are cheaper compare to last time, nothing to do with ERP, ERP is just another extra tax since they lower the road tax. Why a minister like him cant visulise?
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Promote public tpt and car ownership at the same time
i was laughing also when i read his comment. is this the kind of minister we pay millions for and only taking singaporeans for a ride?
I dont see how the ERP systems can help singaporeans to own cars? since we year we start EPR and since which year did the vehical owneership tax come down?
raymond, you &^*%^ wake up your idea! -
car is a luxury item..
no money, dun buy, no-one takes gun pointed at your head to buy.
not as if you dun have car, u cannot survive.
public transport is the one which SHOULD NOT raise.
cuz that is everyone bread and butter.
GST for non-luxury item should not rise also, IMHO.
as for erp, taxi..luxury item, it's on the choice we made, u choose to get a car, and u choose to take a route with erp and you just pay, nutting wrong with tat, since you can afford the luxury living. -
Okay, let's see... According to Minister Lim's rationale, it's cheaper for us to own cars. Cheaper car prices and blah blah blah. But it's getting more expensive to maintain it. Higher and more ERP charges and etc. So what are we to do, buy a car and let it sit in the carpark? And every now and then, start to warm up the car and admire it? And when time's up pay road tax?
So perhaps the minister ought to tell us if he really said a boo-boo or he really meant what he said. If so, he ought to tell us who among us will buy a car only to have it sit in the carpark.
Or maybe he was playing mindgames with us?
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To Gazelle and Extrinsic:
while what Raymond Lim say might have some truth to it, he should at least back it up with statistics.
For example:
1) What was the ERP collected since implementation in 1996?
2) How much has COE shrunk for the past 5 years?
3) How much of ERP revenue goes towards offsetting the reduction in COE?
Or has it been that all along, ERP was meant as an easy source of revenue for the govt?
Surely some explanation here would help, rather than patronising Singaporeans with a mere "We have helped you" statement? -
As quoted from my first post:
Dr Fatimah Lateef, MP for Marine Parade GRC, had asked the Minister if the ERP scheme has met the objectives that it was meant to achieve and if it has improved the traffic flow on expressways especially during peak hours.
This question is so meek. Since when hasn't ERP been declared as a resounding success? Has any minister ever said that ERP does not work? Has any statistic ever shown that speeds on expressways have remained the same?
Dr. Fatimah could have done better by asking incisive and precise questions with regards to various road conditions on the various expressways at various timings of the ERP operations. -
Now this is CLASSIC talking KOCK...!!
.. he didn't even bothered with the songs... -
If MPs take $13,000 per month as allowances for particpating in parliamentary proceedings, then justify it and do Singaporeans a favour by asking meaningful questions.
We care for our ministers by giving them such high salaries, surely we derserve better?
Even dogs have the humanity to defend the very owners who feed and care for them, what more human beings? -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
all are acting nia....
As quoted from my first post:
[b]Dr Fatimah Lateef, MP for Marine Parade GRC, had asked the Minister if the ERP scheme has met the objectives that it was meant to achieve and if it has improved the traffic flow on expressways especially during peak hours.
This question is so meek. Since when hasn't ERP been declared as a resounding success? Has any minister ever said that ERP does not work? Has any statistic ever shown that speeds on expressways have remained the same?
Dr. Fatimah could have done better by asking incisive and precise questions with regards to various road conditions on the various expressways at various timings of the ERP operations.[/b]
if nt whatelse to talk? -
might as well ban condom altogether...Originally posted by hisoka:its one of the hare-brained schemes. for all you know the next scheme they come out with to increase birthrate is to outlaw contraception -
yeah buy a car but dun driveOriginally posted by Gazelle:ERP, road tax, import tax and COE etc are all inter-related and it is all about balancing act.
Reducing road tax and import tax, and issuing more COE are loses to the government, while ERP will help to compensate for that. So what they are saying is that without ERP, we will not reduce the road tax and import tax etc..
So technically speaking, it is right to say that ERP has made car ownership more affordable. but it is not to say that it is cheaper to run a car in Singapore. -
Don't mind those having a field day.Originally posted by extrinsic:What Raymond Lim said is correct, at least IMHO.
As what Gazelle mentioned, i agree.
Higher ERP = lessen the road tax, COE.
allowing most to buy/own a car with little or no initial capital at all (however does not mean maintaining it)
anyway, if you do not have money, don't buy car, simple as that.
The Minister answered the question.
Then went further and added that the ERP helped more Singaporeans own cars.
I find this puzzling. I don't see the connection.
There are many factors that helped more Singaporeans own cars, and ERP is certainly not one of them.
Did he say that to look on the bright side, or to divert attention?
The ERP has limited success, we all know that.
Its pricing is carefully caliberated so that the maximum number (not an overwhelming number) would use the priced roads. Raise the road price higher, and traffic would be diverted to other roads. It would only shift congestion elsewhere.
ERP gantries are toll gates for the collection of charges by electronic means.
Tolls are collected often to pay off loans for the building of the highway. And are ususlly stopped when the loan has been paid off.
Tolls are also collected to pay for the maintenance cost of highways.
These are not the reasons ERP was implemented.
Here it is specifically, without a doubt, to manage traffic.
So specifically, the ERP system failed in its objective, or at least failed partially.
Because a holistic approach is needed, to address the congestion problem.
What is the nexus between ERP and car ownership?
Unless it is the ERP's limited success that causes LTA to increase the COE quota and thereby enable more Singaporeans to bid for the cars that they want.
But LTA's decision is based on the number of cars taken off the road, and the total road space.
Ultimately it is affluence that enable more Singaporeans to own cars.
The Minister for Tpt has got some explanation to do. -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
You begin to wonder if his million dollar pay check is due to his ability to make money for the government or his ability to own or claims that ERP had help more people to own cars... or his ability to say thing that tickle the otherwise stressful life in Singapore ..
[b]Oct 22, 2007
ERP helps more S'poreans to own cars: Minister
Responding to a question for written reply in Parliament on Monday, Transport Minister Raymond Lim said this is reflected in the growth of Singapore's car population from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006.
THE use of Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) has made it possible for more Singaporeans to own cars.
Responding to a question for written reply in Parliament on Monday, Transport Minister Raymond Lim said this is reflected in the growth of Singapore's car population from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006.
Dr Fatimah Lateef, MP for Marine Parade GRC, had asked the Minister if the ERP scheme has met the objectives that it was meant to achieve and if it has improved the traffic flow on expressways especially during peak hours.
In his reply, Mr Lim said since its implementation in 1998, ERP has been effective in maintaining average travel speeds on priced roads within the optimal speed range through regular reviews and rate adjustments. For example, average speeds on the expressways have remained at above 45km/h during peak hours.
"The use of ERP to manage traffic has made it possible for more Singaporeans to own cars than we otherwise could, and our vehicle population has grown from 680,000 in 1997 to 800,000 in 2006," he added.
"It has also allowed the Government to rely more on car usage charges and less on car ownership taxes to manage traffic demand, and as a result, vehicle ownership taxes have been reduced. "
The Ministers said the government will continue with a holistic and integrated approach using all the tools available to keep the roads smooth-flowing. These include building more roads, regulating vehicle growth, implementing traffic engineering solutions, managing traffic demand through ERP and promoting the use of public transport.
Source: ST
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