Is Gay inborn ?
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mi kenot say anything until mi got proof wor...Originally posted by laurence82:coz they are closet gays in denial
skarli someone ask for 'source' again like dat poly thread
so now mi muz make sure i got 'sources' to support what mi say lor.... -
paedos r just the bad apples ... most rapists r str men ... there r always good and bad apples .. be more rational ..Originally posted by iveco:What sort of paedos are you refeing to? Majority of them are gay but some are big fans of XMMs.
by the way.. none of u mentioned ---> if you r a lady, will you marry a gay man who has turned str ? or if u r a parent of a young lady, will you allow your daughter to marry a gay man who has turned str ? -
U go lexis, MUSE, thomson gale, jstor or what ahOriginally posted by udontknowme:mi kenot say anything until mi got proof wor...
skarli someone ask for 'source' again like dat poly thread
so now mi muz make sure i got 'sources' to support what mi say lor....
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pffftOriginally posted by LazerLordz:U go lexis, MUSE, thomson gale, jstor or what ah
typical uni undergrad
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Gay debate takes ugly turn
But a few black sheep in cyberspace do not mean SÂ’poreans canÂ’t hold a mature dialogue: Analysts
ANSLEY NG
[email protected]
THE Parliamentary debate on the law against
gay sex will be remembered for its fiery,
heart-felt spirit. But outside the House, passions
— among both supporters and opponents
of Section 377A — have, at times, degenerated
into spite.
There were threatening, expletive-laced
emails. One parliamentarian had his sexuality
questioned. Another academic was flamed in
blogs and had her phone number circulated.
And the employer of one gay professional
was questioned about their hiring him.
The ugly turn of events, some may say,
is only to be expected given the emotional
nature of the subject matter — one that Prime
Minister Lee Hsien Loong had warned on
Tuesday could polarise society.
But a bigger question being asked is:
What do such instances say of SingaporeansÂ’
ability to debate issues maturely, and
without hostility?
In Parliament on Monday, Nominated MP
Thio Li-ann recounted how a colleague received
threatening emails following the publication
of an article in The Straits Times in May,
after reforms to the Penal Code were mooted.
Assistant Professor Yvonne Lee had
commented that it was wrong to decriminalise
homosexual acts. For a month after,
people, including young lawyers and students,
wrote to the dean criticising her.
Her photo was posted on blogs and her
phone number circulated. She received
emails — “80 per cent of them abusive” — asking
if she was a “fundamentalist” who would
discriminate against homosexual students.
“It was a professional attack, intimidation
and harassment,” Asst Prof Lee told TODAY.
Professor Thio herself was “shell-shocked”
and made a police report after receiving an
abusive email in August from an unnamed
stranger who threatened to defile her grave
on the day Section 377A was repealed.
“If it was just a rude letter, I’d let it
slip. But this really overstepped things,” the
law lecturer told TODAY.
In the opposing camp, fellow NMP Siew
Kum Hong, who presented a public petition
to scrap the law against gay sex, had his
sexuality questioned.
“When you are a public figure taking a position
on a public issue, you have to accept that
some people will not be mature enough to refrain
from such things,” said Mr Siew, a lawyer.
“It bothers me but I just got past it and carried
on. I don’t want to dignify their comments.”
The organisers of the Repeal377A.com
campaign — who, in a statement yesterday,
said they were “deeply disappointed” by the
decision to keep the law — told TODAY that
hate messages were posted on their website.
“That’s what the gay community experiences
as part of their lives — derogatory
slurs,” a spokesman said.
Indeed, one employee at a large government-
linked company learnt, a few months
ago, that an anonymous letter had been sent
to senior management, asking why they employed
a gay person.
“I was really shocked. I’m not a closet
gay but I donÂ’t show off my sexuality at work.
IÂ’m there to work, not advocate gay rights;
I’m a professional. Honestly, I felt very violated,”
he said.
To him, the incident suggests there is “a
lot of fear” that legalising consensual gay sex
would cause societal disintegration. “When
there is fear, it can lead to viciousness.”
MP for Tanjong Pagar GRC Baey Yam
Keng, however, said that while some were not
pleased at his speaking up for homosexuals,
no one had been outright abusive so far.
One email sender vowed not to vote for
him in the next election. Another asked if he
was “naive or blind”.
Said Mr Baey: “For these kind of
emotional issues, there will be skewed
positions taken. But itÂ’s healthy to
have these two opposing views — albeit
some being extreme about it —
rather than not talk about the issue.”
He feels such debates raise awareness
among the uninformed, which
leads to a more robust discussion.
But Prof Thio asked: “Can we
promise ourselves that we will not
resort to deception or shouting at
each other, but focus on facts and
issue? Even if we disagreed, can we
disagree in a civil fashion?”
On Monday, TODAY reported how
Senior Minister of State Dr Balaji
Sadasivan had called for tolerance of
differences.
The challenge, he had warned,
was in preventing diversity from descending
into “divisive antagonism”,
as it has in the United States.
Such polarisation was unlikely to
happen in Singapore, said Dr Terence
Chong, a fellow at the Institute
of South-east Asian Studies.
Citizens by and large have shown
that they are capable of civil and
passionate debate — both in and outside
of Parliament — despite the actions
of a few anonymous “black
sheep” in cyberspace, he noted.
“The overall tone of the debate
has been civil. It would be naïve
for anyone to want passionate debate
without any name-calling at
all. And it would be very unfair to
point to a small group of people
who send hate mail and say we are
not capable of a mature debate,”
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I mean sodomy is unnatural whether performed by sodomites of the same sax or the opposite sexÂ….kekeke
The decision to repeal the current 377 but retain 377A smacks of discrimination!
BTW, the new section 377 prohibits two acts of sodomy - necrophilia and bestiality...kekeke -
on the part where they said god made a mistake on the person's gender, i find it wierd. GOD, who creates evrything in this universe....makes mistakes????
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You have pointed out an interesting point. hmmm....Originally posted by sg mata:on the part where they said god made a mistake on the person's gender, i find it wierd. GOD, who creates evrything in this universe....makes mistakes????
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what are those...???Originally posted by LazerLordz:U go lexis, MUSE, thomson gale, jstor or what ah jstor sounds familiar.....but....im not sure...and im too lazy to go check. hahaha....i know it's got something to do with journals.....but....what about them...?? 
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U are bringing religion into the argument, which is sort of weird too.Originally posted by sg mata:on the part where they said god made a mistake on the person's gender, i find it wierd. GOD, who creates evrything in this universe....makes mistakes????
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actually, does it matter at all?
even lau lee says that you can swing your arm around freely as long as you do not hit anyone..
so, does being gay cause those bigots to become raging homosexuals themselves, or are they denying their own latent homosexuality?
besides, look! even our PM is in a same-sex marriage! -
Just like to air my views:
1. Do you think there are several TYPE of GAYS?
eg.
A. Born Gay.
B. Made Gay.
C. Gay due to some fantasies (just a wild idea I have with no base).
D. Gay by purpose. that is , acting gay for some purpose I also dunno how to tell you. Like to achieve some purpose.
Gay, how gay are they in sg? -
Who in this world can prove a Gay is a Gay, a true Gay and not any other types of Gay?
Maybe super world record talents got the answer?
Which super doctor can proof beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever?
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Is endless to categorise gays or gayness .. to give an example ..Originally posted by reddressman:Just like to air my views:
1. Do you think there are several TYPE of GAYS?
eg.
A. Born Gay.
B. Made Gay.
C. Gay due to some fantasies (just a wild idea I have with no base).
D. Gay by purpose. that is , acting gay for some purpose I also dunno how to tell you. Like to achieve some purpose.
Gay, how gay are they in sg?
E.g
Pure White = Extreme Gay (e.g. Transexual - woman born in man's body)
Pure Black = Extreme Straight
and Billions of millions of Gray areas .. -
again, does it matter?Originally posted by reddressman:Just like to air my views:
1. Do you think there are several TYPE of GAYS?
eg.
A. Born Gay.
B. Made Gay.
C. Gay due to some fantasies (just a wild idea I have with no base).
D. Gay by purpose. that is , acting gay for some purpose I also dunno how to tell you. Like to achieve some purpose.
Gay, how gay are they in sg? -
What is clear for sure is, this does not matter to you and you yourself.Originally posted by the Bear:again, does it matter? -
since WHEN did transexual = gay??????????????????????????????????????Originally posted by happieman:Is endless to categorise gays or gayness .. to give an example ..
E.g
Pure White = Extreme Gay (e.g. Transexual - woman born in man's body)
Pure Black = Extreme Straight
and Billions of millions of Gray areas .. -
I think bisexual is inborn. Sexuality has no boundaries.
So many animals are bisexual.. Proof.. -
Everyone has a choice to be gay or not. If gay is really you, then be gay.Originally posted by happieman:Is gay an inborn thing ? Can a gay person choose not to be gay ?
If you are a lady, will you marry to a gay man who had turned straight ?
However, since i have never fallen in love with a gay.
I don't know...
But chances are I could follow my heart for this question.I could never allowed what others' opinion to help make my own decision about my life. -
Some have genetic abnormality, such as those sex linked chromosomes.
Klinefelter Syndrome: http://www.doereport.com/generateexhibit.php?ID=10388 -
mai siao siao, lexis also lawyer use one leh.Originally posted by laurence82:pffft
typical uni undergrad -
no.. seriously..
if the guy sitting beside you is gay, does it matter to you?
you speak of it as if his being gay would cause you to become gay?
if not, then why should you bother?
and if the guy chooses, is born gay or whatever, will it affect you in any way what he does in the privacy of his room and in his life?
let's turn this around.. would you like it if people started to probe what you do in your spare time, your sexual activities and all that? something like the khalwat police in the 'religious states' of Malaysia?
if you do not want people probing into your life, and dissecting it, why should you do that to others?
which brings me to this again: why does it matter if the guy was born or becomes gay?Originally posted by reddressman:What is clear for sure is, this does not matter to you and you yourself. -
While you sound protective of gays, you are also unethically putting words into my mouth.Originally posted by the Bear:no.. seriously..
if the guy sitting beside you is gay, does it matter to you?
you speak of it as if his being gay would cause you to become gay?
if not, then why should you bother?
and if the guy chooses, is born gay or whatever, will it affect you in any way what he does in the privacy of his room and in his life?
let's turn this around.. would you like it if people started to probe what you do in your spare time, your sexual activities and all that? something like the khalwat police in the 'religious states' of Malaysia?
if you do not want people probing into your life, and dissecting it, why should you do that to others?
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Quote me when i ever said what you claim I said. Please, if you are able. -
i like the way you mentioned above.. i admire and respect you .. you have your own characters .. cheers!!Originally posted by Isis:Everyone has a choice to be gay or not. If gay is really you, then be gay.
However, since i have never fallen in love with a gay.
I don't know...
But chances are I could follow my heart for this question.I could never allowed what others' opinion to help make my own decision about my life. -
yea,riverfox is one and the only gay person on dis forum.If u wanna kno who tha hell is dis homo-a$$,u can jz simply do a more research,if u notice a fella dat post with silly red words,yea,dat mofo is him.