Is British's NHS a failure?
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U do know that medical insurance in both US and Uk is very very expensive rightOriginally posted by maurizio13:Almost everyone pays taxes, it's just the percentage, the more you make, the more you pay.
No resource comes free. But the term "free" goes to the person consuming the resource, ultimately someone has to pay for it. I think you are so brainwashed by OM and Gazelle. When you go Madonald's you order a Extra Value Meal, it comes free with an apple pie. Yes, you can say that the apple pie isn't free, it comes at a cost to Macdonald's, but it's free to you. That is the definition of free, if you choose to subscribe to Gazelle's form of definition, then nothing in this world is free, we might as well strike off the word from our dictionary.
There is private healthcare in the UK too, instead of the NHS. Those that OM highlighted before are well to do individuals who decides to go overseas for a holiday and medical treatment. Seems like OM highlighted some very skewed case of rich individuals going overseas for medical treatment because UK does not have private healthcare.
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2001/mar/19/2
The free healthcare provides basic needs to the poor and needy. If you cannot stand the wait, then you can probably choose private healthcare by buying a medical insurance. It provides the basic healthcare to those who can't afford the fees, but can afford the wait.
The case of this elderly UK lady highlighted by our propaganda new media is to sway public opinion. Do you think you can find elderly individuals here with rotting tooth but can't afford the dental charges to have it removed? These are the people that can afford the wait but can't afford the dental charges.
Some US report that middle class family in US can't afford medical insurance. And like I said earlier.... if I have been paying taxes to support the NHS.... why wouldn't I want to join the Q for every pain and ills...... I paid taxes what 
I have a right to make use of my Benefit just like the 'poor'.
Which is why the NHS is overwhelm.......
Yes.... tax the better off to support the poor..... tax the rich to pay for Healthcare of the poor..... But Human Natural means that even if i could afford basic healthcare on my own..... WHY WOULDN"T I WANT IT FOR FREE Even if I do make the Q longer for everyone.....
btw..... Unless you are tell me that Channelnewsasia send some reporter to UK to 'do' that propaganda.... then the news is from Uk itself. And Yes..... they could afford to wait to the point where they remove their own tooth with a piler from her husband tool bag..... so much for affording to wait while in pain....
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Originally posted by hloc:
The medical insurance is expensive, so if the poor can't afford to pay for PREMIUM healthcare, the NHS will take care of them, though it's basic healthcare, it's a whole lot better than not having any money and not being able to afford any healthcare at all.
U do know that medical insurance in both US and Uk is very very expensive right Some US report that middle class family in US can't afford medical insurance. And like I said earlier.... if I have been paying taxes to support the NHS.... why wouldn't I want to join the Q for every pain and ills...... I paid taxes what I have a right to make use of my Benefit just like the 'poor'.
Which is why the NHS is overwhelm.......
Yes.... tax the better off to support the poor..... tax the rich to pay for Healthcare of the poor..... But [b]Human Natural means that even if i could afford basic healthcare on my own..... WHY WOULDN"T I WANT IT FOR FREE Even if I do make the Q longer for everyone.....
btw..... Unless you are tell me that Channelnewsasia send some reporter to UK to 'do' that propaganda.... then the news is from Uk itself. And Yes..... they could afford to wait to the point where they remove their own tooth with a piler from her husband tool bag..... so much for affording to wait while in pain.... [/b]
If you decide to join the queue for NHS then by all means, nobody is stopping you.
Why ChannelNewsAsia not focus health issues regarding the old folks in Singapore? Instead they decide to highlight the issues in another country. Do go over Chinatown, speak to those old folks, ask them if they have any decayed tooth that they can't afford to have removed. No matter how long NHS makes you wait, it's better than not getting any treatment at all, so goes the old adage, "it's better late then never".
I went to make an appointment for a specialist today, the wait is just as bad as NHS. It's 2 months!!! Best part is I am paying for the treatment unlike NHS which is FREE.
Perhaps you could also explain why Hong Kong can provide all it's citizens with cheaper healthcare than Singapore??? Hong Kong has an equivalent standard of living in terms of GDP. [SG$ 1.00 = HK$ 5.35]
Hong Kong's A&E is HK$100 per attendance, which is SG$ 18.70.
How much does the A&E attendance fees in our "PUBLIC" Hospital cost???
Best part is, Hong Kong has a similar tax structure to Singapore, I think the tax is cheaper than Singapore even and Hong Kong doesn't have GST at all. Kind of makes one wonder, where has all our tax revenues gone.
There are 2 kinds of people in Singapore, those that get rob of their hard earned money and starts making lots of noise. While there is another type when robbed, encourages them to rob us more.
All figures below are in Hong Kong Dollars.
Source: http://www.ha.org.hk/hesd/nsapi/?MIval=ha_visitor_index&lang=E&intro=ha%5fview%5ftemplate%26group%3dOSR%26Area%3dGOP -
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The current Emergency Department facility fee is S$80 per visit. This covers basic investigations and services provided. Specialised emergency investigations and services will involve extra cost and hence additional charges. You may pay by cash, NETS, personal cheque or credit card. If your doctor decides to admit you, the fees will be included in your total hospital bill.
The SG$80 charged by our A&E in SGH pales in comparison to the HK$18.70 charged in Hong Kong A&E Public Hospital. SGH's A&E charges are 4 times that of Hong Kong.
http://www.sgh.com.sg/ForPatientsnVisitors/ServicesGuide/EmergencyCare/ -
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Any response from hloc?
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Were U waiting for my respondOriginally posted by maurizio13:Any response from hloc? Opps Sorry..... Been spending time at other forum.
Ok.... I've never in this thread said S'pore have better Healthcare than HK..... that was Gazelle.
I had been saying that NHS is overwhelm and it is NOT FREE due to ppl paying taxes to support it....
You, yourself admitted that by paying for your appointment, the wait will be 2 month. Now think about how long you would have to wait if you are not paying.....
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Depends on how you define success/failure lor........
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be appreciative u get free treatment ..
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Originally posted by hloc:
NHS bosses improve waiting times
Were U waiting for my respond Opps Sorry..... Been spending time at other forum.
Ok.... I've never in this thread said S'pore have better Healthcare than HK..... that was [b]Gazelle.
I had been saying that NHS is overwhelm and it is NOT FREE due to ppl paying taxes to support it....
You, yourself admitted that by paying for your appointment, the wait will be 2 month. Now think about how long you would have to wait if you are not paying..... [/b]
An internal review of NHS Forth Valley has found the health authority hit all of its targets for cancer waiting times in the past three month.
Figures showed 100% of patients were seen within 62 days, compared with only 64% in December 2006.
Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon, who chaired the review, welcomed the news.
The figures come after the authority was criticised in September for the care of a cancer patient who waited eight months to see a doctor.
The Scottish Public Services Ombudsman (SPSO), upheld a complaint after the patient, known only as Mr C, had two appointments cancelled.
When he eventually saw a doctor he was told his cancer was inoperable.
'Monitoring cancer'
The health board has since approved the appointment of two additional consultants - in breast cancer and pathology.
NHS Forth Valley chairman, Ian Mullen welcomed the appointments.
Two years ago, patients would expect to wait 58 weeks in Stirling and 76 weeks in Falkirk from a GP referral to having a hearing aid fitted
Ian Mullen
He said: "It shows the commitment of NHS Forth Valley to give the best service possible to cancer patients.
"Almost all diagnosis and treatment for breast, lung, colorectal, urological and blood cancers is provided locally and we have one of the most advanced CT scanners in Scotland which is invaluable in diagnosing and monitoring cancer."
The scanner, which has cost about £500,000, and can track the malignancy and extent of any spread in cancers, is operating in Stirling Royal Infirmary.
Audiology services in the area were also praised.
An independent national audit by the MRC Hearing and Communication Group at the University of Manchester described services in the Forth Valley as "the best in Scotland".
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The audit, the first of its type to be carried out in Scotland, was commissioned by the Scottish Executive in 2006 as part of the country's audiology modernisation project. It involved questionnaires, patient snapshots, and site visits.
The Forth Valley Sensory Centre at Camelon, near Falkirk, is involved in a pioneering scheme to help patients adjust to newly-fitted hearing aids.
People are being invited to meet in small groups to receive instructions on how to use the devices and get the most benefit from them.
Mr Mullen added: "Two years ago, patients would expect to wait 58 weeks in Stirling and 76 weeks in Falkirk from a GP referral to having a hearing aid fitted.
"Now through one-stop assessment and fitting, the time can be as little as 18 weeks."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7060294.stm
Looks like they have improved after the complains, unlike our government, who muffled our complains and continue with their own desired course.
Maybe it's time the Singapore government learn from the NHS, on how to provide free efficient service.
Regarding your point about the service not being free, look at it this way, if you are poor and don't pay any taxes. When you visit the hospital, the service is FREE to you. I know someone has to pay for it, isn't that the whole idea of income redistribution, where income is redistributed to the poor in the form of necessities.
If you don't have any savings and medisave, can we Singaporeans expect that the government provide us with basic healthcare that accrues to basic human beings? Fifity thousands in your medisave is not alot of money if a person is diagnosed with a chronic disease that needs constant management.
Sometimes I guess you need to do your own analysis instead of relying on our government controlled media 100%. They tend to emphasize issues that favours them and do not provide unbias opinions. -
Hahaha.......Originally posted by maurizio13:NHS bosses improve waiting times
An internal review of NHS Forth Valley has found the health authority hit all of its targets for cancer waiting times in the past three month.
Figures showed 100% of patients were seen within 62 days, compared with only 64% in December 2006.
Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon, who chaired the review, welcomed the news.
The figures come after the authority was criticised in September for the care of a cancer patient who waited eight months to see a doctor.
The Scottish Public Services Ombudsman (SPSO), upheld a complaint after the patient, known only as Mr C, had two appointments cancelled.
When he eventually saw a doctor he was told his cancer was inoperable.
'Monitoring cancer'
The health board has since approved the appointment of two additional consultants - in breast cancer and pathology.
NHS Forth Valley chairman, Ian Mullen welcomed the appointments.
Two years ago, patients would expect to wait 58 weeks in Stirling and 76 weeks in Falkirk from a GP referral to having a hearing aid fitted
Ian Mullen
He said: "It shows the commitment of NHS Forth Valley to give the best service possible to cancer patients.
"Almost all diagnosis and treatment for breast, lung, colorectal, urological and blood cancers is provided locally and we have one of the most advanced CT scanners in Scotland which is invaluable in diagnosing and monitoring cancer."
The scanner, which has cost about £500,000, and can track the malignancy and extent of any spread in cancers, is operating in Stirling Royal Infirmary.
Audiology services in the area were also praised.
An independent national audit by the MRC Hearing and Communication Group at the University of Manchester described services in the Forth Valley as "the best in Scotland".
Receive instructions
The audit, the first of its type to be carried out in Scotland, was commissioned by the Scottish Executive in 2006 as part of the country's audiology modernisation project. It involved questionnaires, patient snapshots, and site visits.
The Forth Valley Sensory Centre at Camelon, near Falkirk, is involved in a pioneering scheme to help patients adjust to newly-fitted hearing aids.
People are being invited to meet in small groups to receive instructions on how to use the devices and get the most benefit from them.
Mr Mullen added: "Two years ago, patients would expect to wait 58 weeks in Stirling and 76 weeks in Falkirk from a GP referral to having a hearing aid fitted.
"Now through one-stop assessment and fitting, the time can be as little as 18 weeks."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7060294.stm
Looks like they have improved after the complains, unlike our government, who muffled our complains and continue with their own desired course.
Maybe it's time the Singapore government learn from the NHS, on how to provide free efficient service.
Regarding your point about the service not being free, look at it this way, if you are poor and don't pay any taxes. When you visit the hospital, the service is FREE to you. I know someone has to pay for it, isn't that the whole idea of income redistribution, where income is redistributed to the poor in the form of necessities.
If you don't have any savings and medisave, can we Singaporeans expect that the government provide us with basic healthcare that accrues to basic human beings? Fifity thousands in your medisave is not alot of money if a person is diagnosed with a chronic disease that needs constant management.
The irony
News from S'pore is full of ''propaganda" claim ppl here..... and yet News from outside S'pore about good news is not....... hahaha -
The BBC is run in the interests of its viewers and listeners.Originally posted by hloc:Hahaha.......
The irony
News from S'pore is full of ''propaganda" claim ppl here..... and yet News from outside S'pore about good news is not....... hahaha
Royal Charter
The BBC is established under Royal Charter. The current Charter came into force in 2007, and runs until the end of 2016. It explicitly recognises the BBCÂ’s editorial independence and sets out its public purposes.
BBC Trust
Under the new Charter, the BBC is governed by the BBC Trust, which sets the strategic direction of the BBC and has a clear duty to represent the interests of licence fee payers. The Trust sets purpose remits, issues service licences and holds the Executive Board to account for its performance in delivering BBC services.
Executive Board
Operational responsibility rests with the Executive Board. It is responsible for delivering the BBC's services and running the organisation in accordance with the overall strategy set by the Trust.
For more details and an explanation of purpose remits and service licences, see the most recent Annual Report.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/running/
Whereas Singapore news media's ultimate purpose are the purposes of the P4P. If you say anything bad about the government, your job will be in peril. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:
Hahaha..... so it is true.
The BBC is run in the interests of its viewers and listeners.
Royal Charter
The BBC is established under Royal Charter. The current Charter came into force in 2007, and runs until the end of 2016. [b]It explicitly recognises the BBCÂ’s editorial independence and sets out its public purposes.
BBC Trust
Under the new Charter, the BBC is governed by the BBC Trust, which sets the strategic direction of the BBC and has a clear duty to represent the interests of licence fee payers. The Trust sets purpose remits, issues service licences and holds the Executive Board to account for its performance in delivering BBC services.
Executive Board
Operational responsibility rests with the Executive Board. It is responsible for delivering the BBC's services and running the organisation in accordance with the overall strategy set by the Trust.
For more details and an explanation of purpose remits and service licences, see the most recent Annual Report.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/running/
Whereas Singapore news media's ultimate purpose are the purposes of the P4P. If you say anything bad about the government, your job will be in peril.[/b]
U believed what you wanted to believed -
Originally posted by hloc:
Likewise...
Hahaha..... so it is true.
[b]U believed what you wanted to believed [/b] -
Hahaha.... true true.....Originally posted by maurizio13:Likewise... -
It's unfair to call the policy a failure. It improved the lives of many even if it did have draw-backs. Albeit heavy ones.
There's no perfect policy in the world. -
Very true indeed..... but it seems S'porean expect perfect policy from the Govt all the time......Originally posted by SBS3625D:It's unfair to call the policy a failure. It improved the lives of many even if it did have draw-backs. Albeit heavy ones.
There's no perfect policy in the world. -
If you are getting a perfect salary of a 3-4 millions for each Minister every year, definitely we expect perfect policies.Originally posted by hloc:Very true indeed..... but it seems S'porean expect perfect policy from the Govt all the time...... -
Only you my friend.... not me. No matter how much you pay me..... it will never make me perfect.Originally posted by maurizio13:If you are getting a perfect salary of a 3-4 millions for each Minister every year, definitely we expect perfect policies. -
The "You are paid.......... " was not with reference to you. The "You" was referring to P4P ministers.Originally posted by hloc:Only you my friend.... not me. No matter how much you pay me..... it will never make me perfect. -
So.............Originally posted by hloc:Only you my friend.... not me. No matter how much you pay me..... it will never make me perfect.
Do you have any comments regarding the NHS' free service with waiting time of 2 months and Singapore's paid service with 2 months waiting time? -
I mean you as in YOU...... like as you are paying me to work....Originally posted by maurizio13:The "You are paid.......... " was not with reference to you. The "You" was referring to P4P ministers.
no matter how much YOU (boss) pay me (Worker) I would never be perfect........
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U did to much bad krama in your past live......Originally posted by maurizio13:So.............
Do you have any comments regarding the NHS' free service with waiting time of 2 months and Singapore's paid service with 2 months waiting time?
joking joking....... joking only......
But you are not paying High Tax either....... -
Then you have to ask the ministers (if they have you kind of mentality). If they are not perfect, what makes them deserving of a perfect salary?Originally posted by hloc:I mean you as in YOU...... like as you are paying me to work....
no matter how much YOU (boss) pay me (Worker) I would never be perfect........
Stop being Paranoid.....
I thought you were the one with mental issues.
You decide not to engage me in debate, but to engage me in name calling.
Anyway, I am also joking joking only. -
some people have such simple minds, name calling is all they can manage...
you know, primary school mentality...