Is British's NHS a failure?
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Who cares if people think it is a failure, it is of international standards and it is free... (paid for by GST, for example...) I want
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here we also pay GST but still have to pay an arm and a leg for medical services when we fall sick... not that we want to fall sick, you understand...
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we pay HDB such exorbitant prices and ERP $5 some more...
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Then you have to ask the ministers (if they have you kind of mentality). If they are not perfect, what makes them deserving of a perfect salary?
No problem Bro.... life is meant to be taken easy.
I thought you were the one with mental issues.
You decide not to engage me in debate, but to engage me in name calling.
Anyway, I am also joking joking only.
Garuda (Indonesia Airline) has some of the cheapest ticket in Asia..... but with their safety record.... would you want to bet your life on it
And if a loved one... (example only).... were to 'kick the bucket' on a Garuda flight.... would you than say it is ok, because they are cheap
SIA... need not me to explain that they are one of the most expensive Airline in the world. But could you really expect that just because you paid them more than you did on Garuda, that they WILL AUTOMATICLY BE PERFECT... u mean SIA could guarantee you will confirm not be in an accident
Indonesia have very low paid MP and ministers...... but they are still rich, why Because all the money comes from under the table. They never seems to be able to get anything done...... you want cheap.... go Indonesia.
I rather we pay our minister alot of $$$$ ABOVE THE TABLE, then they try to get rich UNDER THE TABLE..... at least ours get most problem solved.
But just because we (or they, themselves) paid them alot...... they are still human. Only you think that MONEY could make a Human... into GOD. -
Originally posted by hloc:
I think diving has affected your intelligence in a negative way, maybe the intra-cranial pressure during scuba diving affected your ability to analyse issues properly. Maybe, like you say, it's a result of Karma that you took up diving and resulted in your sub-normal intelligence.
No problem Bro.... life is meant to be taken easy.
Garuda (Indonesia Airline) has some of the cheapest ticket in Asia..... but with their safety record.... would you want to bet your life on it And if a loved one... (example only).... were to 'kick the bucket' on a Garuda flight.... would you than say it is ok, because they are cheap
SIA... need not me to explain that they are one of the most expensive Airline in the world. But could you really expect that just because you paid them more than you did on Garuda, that they WILL AUTOMATICLY BE PERFECT... u mean SIA could guarantee you will confirm not be in an accident
Indonesia have very low paid MP and ministers...... but they are still rich, why Because all the money comes from under the table. They never seems to be able to get anything done...... you want cheap.... go Indonesia.
[b]I rather we pay our minister alot of $$$$ ABOVE THE TABLE, then they try to get rich UNDER THE TABLE..... at least ours get most problem solved.
But just because we (or they, themselves) paid them alot...... they are still human. Only you think that MONEY could make a Human... into GOD. [/b]
Take it easy bro....
You are comparing 2 different issues altogether, flying you need to look at the weather too, it does not just involve the pilot and plane. The prices of these 2 airlines are world apart as compared to other average airlines. Why not compare 2 similar airlines, Cathay Pacific or Quantas? The price of these 2 airlines is comparable to SIA, Cathay is slightly more expensive.
Then you compare our Ministers salary with those of equivalent countries in the world. You compare them to Indonesian politicians, they are extremely extremely overpaid. If you compare them to Swiss, British, American, Japanese, New Zealand, etc, they are still extremely overpaid. Does this mean that there is alot of corruption in US or Switzerland or New Zealand? Don't you think our Ministers are severely overpaid. The over payment is the result of the P4P gaining monopolistic power in parliament. Like all monopolies, if there is power, it will be subjected to abuse.
Laws keep people from corruption, not money! What is it that prevents our local police from being corrupt by accepting bribe? You have a clearly defined set of laws for corruption and enforcement. If you tread outside these boundaries, you will be subjected to criminal prosecution. Likewise, for the politician, tougher laws should be set up to curtail their possible corruption. These politicians are representative of the population, they should have the utmost credibility, no lesser corrupt individuals would do.
If you pay someone $4 million a year and if somebody decides to give him $1 million for favours. What is there to prevent him from accepting such a bribe? Your payment of $4 million is not a deterrent. -
In Hong Kong, there is no GST, the income tax rates are similar or even lower, yet they managed to provide their citizens with affordable healthcare (alot cheaper than Singapore public hospitals).Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:here we also pay GST but still have to pay an arm and a leg for medical services when we fall sick... not that we want to fall sick, you understand...
I believe that privatisation of the medical sector will only lead to higher price increases, because of the profit objective of companies.
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If you pay someone $4 million a year and if somebody decides to give him $1 million for favours. What is there to prevent him from accepting such a bribe? Your payment of $4 million is not a deterrent.
Like I said Bro..... you could always go to Indonesia for cheap govt. -
Hello Bro!!!Originally posted by hloc:Like I said Bro..... you could always go to Indonesia for cheap govt.
Wake up and smell the roses, if the water pressure from scuba diving hasn't totally erradicated all traces of intelligence. Indonesia is NOT the only country that has lower paid politicians. Australia, UK, New Zealand, Taiwan, USA, Switzerland, Japan, Germany, etc.
Now I seriously wonder if there are embolism in your brain. -
Ok to be fair .
All health care systems have their own fair share of problems. None is perfect - not NHS , not Australia and not even Singapore.
You cannot compare really. Singapore has the advantage of having advanced state of the art medical technology but it is a tiered user pay system. NHS has the advantage of delivering free health care to everyone but the disadvantage of waiting lists.
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Thxs for the concern BroOriginally posted by maurizio13:Hello Bro!!!
Wake up and smell the roses, if the water pressure from scuba diving hasn't totally erradicated all traces of intelligence. Indonesia is NOT the only country that has lower paid politicians. Australia, UK, New Zealand, Taiwan, USA, Switzerland, Japan, Germany, etc.
Now I seriously wonder if there are embolism in your brain.
I'm feeling fine..... wasn't the one who need to see doctor in 2 mths time Bro.
And I'm glad the $203.40 I paid for income tax, for the whole of last year will subsidize u somehow. -
You really have sub-normal intelligence.Originally posted by hloc:Thxs for the concern Bro
I'm feeling fine..... wasn't the one who need to see doctor in 2 mths time Bro.
And I'm glad the $203.40 I paid for income tax, for the whole of last year will subsidize u somehow.
Of course you feel fine, intelligence is not an affliction which will cause a direct impact on your life. But indirectly it could affect you, in terms of enrichment of your life. Proves my point, seeing a doctor will not improve your intelligence.
Thanks for your subsidy, but it's better suited to helping those sub-normal intelligence children you are going to have.
But I paid more taxes than your puny $203.40, so I managed to pay off my own share, no need to rely on your generosity. Anyway, there is no need for me to see the specialist, only if I choose to as my ailment is extremely minor. But having sub-normal intelligent children from your genes is lifelong, take care bro.
With the taxes you paid, can also tell that you are a lowly paid sub-normal intelligence worker.
Interesting to note that your chargeable income from income tax was around $25,811 (give or take $3 - $4). That would be around $2,000 a month, quite a good pay for your kind of intelligence. Hope it makes your life more meaningful. -
There's no perfect policy, period.
You think I pay you 100% of my income you can create a policy nobody will be disadvantaged from?
The only way nobody gets disadvantaged is everything is unlimited. Why NHS gets lambasted? Because $$ is limited.
Since nothing is unlimited, I pay whoever all my dough also I don't expect 100% fool-proof policy.
Tell me, you ever seen a policy with perfect record?
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Originally posted by hloc:
I myself from Indonesia also felt some of the public official like the Jakarta governor is a big joke, he cannot solve the flood problem but he like to be
No problem Bro.... life is meant to be taken easy.
Garuda (Indonesia Airline) has some of the cheapest ticket in Asia..... but with their safety record.... would you want to bet your life on it And if a loved one... (example only).... were to 'kick the bucket' on a Garuda flight.... would you than say it is ok, because they are cheap
SIA... need not me to explain that they are one of the most expensive Airline in the world. But could you really expect that just because you paid them more than you did on Garuda, that they WILL AUTOMATICLY BE PERFECT... u mean SIA could guarantee you will confirm not be in an accident
Indonesia have very low paid MP and ministers...... but they are still rich, why Because all the money comes from under the table. They never seems to be able to get anything done...... you want cheap.... go Indonesia.
[b]I rather we pay our minister alot of $$$$ ABOVE THE TABLE, then they try to get rich UNDER THE TABLE..... at least ours get most problem solved.
But just because we (or they, themselves) paid them alot...... they are still human. Only you think that MONEY could make a Human... into GOD. [/b]
the next presidential candidate in 2009 coming election. -
Considering the fact that many Indonesian came to Spore for medical treatment.
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Originally posted by hloc:
I'm curious, what are the "most" of the problems our so call government 'solved'?
[b]I rather we pay our minister alot of $$$$ ABOVE THE TABLE, then they try to get rich UNDER THE TABLE..... at least ours get most problem solved.
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As far as I know, they are still grappling with new problems they created when they tried solving the old ones... -
The crux of the matter is not whether something is cheap, but rather if you get your money's worth.Originally posted by hloc:Like I said Bro..... you could always go to Indonesia for cheap govt.
Stan O'Neal lost his job as Merrill Lynch CEO last week (his annual wages and compensation measure in excess of USD20million annually during his time as CEO) as a result of Merill Lynch's USD7.9billion loss from the subprime mortgage recently.
Now, for the lot who of despots who claim to be capable of commanding the top jobs at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Lehman Brothers are making world-class blunders through the clowns overseeing the legendary Temasek Holdings. To top it off, such imbeciles are immuned from losing their jobs on the basis of their performances.
Surely, you wouldn't need a rocket scientist to figure morons who can't even appoint able people to do the right job (much less oversee the job themselves) commanding wages on a scale unparalleled to any sense of normalcy on the planet is senseless, would you?
Then again, with a press ranked 141 for press freedom, nothing really surprises me .