hmm, Workers Party praised PAP.
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I am surprised that Worker's Party Mr Low praised the PAP for governing Singapore well.Hmm, i wonder if he is already surrendering to the PAP before even giving them a good fight in the next election!
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Not like they are enemies...
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If and when the Govt made a good policy, they deserve to be praised even by the Opps.... if the Govt made a wrong or bad policy, then it is the Opps job to remind and lecture the Govt.Originally posted by myjoola:I am surprised that Worker's Party Mr Low praised the PAP for governing Singapore well.Hmm, i wonder if he is already surrendering to the PAP before even giving them a good fight in the next election!
Mr Low deserve respect for daring to praised PAP when they did good and lectureing them when they are wrong. He showed that he is a 'gentleman' who doesn't just find fault, but also see the good about his opponent.
Like Mr Low said..... "be a guard dog, not mad dog". -
just because theya re opposition doesn't mean they should oppose everything
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Is Low playing his 'role'? ??? huh???Originally posted by myjoola:I am surprised that Worker's Party Mr Low praised the PAP for governing Singapore well.Hmm, i wonder if he is already surrendering to the PAP before even giving them a good fight in the next election! -
classic example of not opposing just for the sake of opposing....
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Whether opposition should be elected to praise or check on the government depends on the perception by the people of the situation we are in.
It the costs do not keep rising and actions were taken to make public transportation, utilities, medical care and low-cost housing more affordable. then perhaps some credit should be given to the government.
If the government is still the same with only justifications or minor cosmetics to make people accept the continuation of past policies causing rising costs and uncaring fee increases that deprive the citizens of a better life then it is too early for the opposition to praise the govenrment.
It will be too naive for the opposition to accept the status quo as the good government and start behaving like the ruling party. What can the opposition do to serve the people? It should continue to think independently and objectively for the good of the people by coming up with alternative programs and suggestions to improve the existing policies and practices which cause problems in the first place.
A good government of the little red dot must not just try to put up all kinds of look-good policies or keep talking about their own talents.
It must substantially look into its own people's many problems concerning their lives and works for the greatest benefits of the greatest number.
If the government only wants to put up a false fronts but keep covering up existing problems created by autocracy and not interested in looking after its citizens and then no matter how good is their external credential they will one day be exposed for their falsehood.
Now the leaders are once again seen as taking a convenient ride of world economic recovery. There is yet to be fundamental addressing of economic restructuring to build Singapore into a truly first-world nation or motivating its own citizens to maximize their skills and talents. So it is doubtful their claims of success is real and substantial.
If the fundamentals are not right and people are unable or struggling to keep up with all the rising costs and hardship then no matter what the leaders try to do or pretend to do all will finally be in vain. -
*$&#^ lah..
if the gabrament does something right, you want to condemn them also?
sheesh!!
give credit where it is due.. give vilification where it is due too!
by condemning everything or looking for excuses to condemn them, you lose whatever little credibility you have...
just like CSJ crying wolf, after a while, no one listens and your livestock will get eaten..
a lot of you opposition worshippers are just like little children.. "he not my friend so i don't friend him.. i must be against him"
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if opposition also complain about things that PAP did.... it do not make it different from PAP who always complains about the opposition...
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I don't ever recall PAP "always" complaining about opposition.
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Let us all citizens see the success story as it is - how substantial and how much was the real success !!!Originally posted by the Bear:*$&#^ lah..
if the gabrament does something right, you want to condemn them also?
sheesh!!
give credit where it is due.. give vilification where it is due too!
by condemning everything or looking for excuses to condemn them, you lose whatever little credibility you have...
just like CSJ crying wolf, after a while, no one listens and your livestock will get eaten..
a lot of you opposition worshippers are just like little children.. "he not my friend so i don't friend him.. i must be against him"
sheesh!
Has the government corrected its wrong policies to make themselves more accountable like the ERP or taxing and charging for every thing to increase surpluses or make profits or paying their higher and higher salaries or stopping all the NKF malpractices?
Will you bet the temporary economic recover will remain or is it a hype of superficial success which will be blown over once the world conditions change again?
Think again. Read the overview of our governing system in the Little Red Dot.
THE LITTLE RED DOT
In the east was a little red dot,
Small and scarce of resource,
So leaders said to citizens,
They needed leadership,
For progress and prosperity,
Alas men were the same for centuries,
Once given opportunities as leaders,
Forgot missions and solemn promises,
Started talking of own leadership,
Belittled freedoms in democracy,
Began to suppress citizens with iron fist,
Practiced hypocrisy disguised in democracy,
Tweaked election into block representation GRC,
Entrenched themselves without voting,
Controlled legislature, and judiciary,
Civil defamation to rid political foes,
Made puppet of MPs and Ministers,
By such rule of their own laws,
Whole parliament became yes-men,
No one dare to question policies,
Unquestioned rulers enrich themselves,
Paid themselves the highest salaries,
Not by prior contract of service,
But comparing themselves to lucky few,
CEOs and entrepreneurs who succeeded in life,
Due to their own investment or talents,
Like winning grand lottery prizes,
Surpassed president's of United States,
Rulers said they needed such talents
As themselves to prevent corruptions,
No mention of honesty, integrity, or service,
The leaders enriched themselves with self-rewards,
Bonuses, life pensions, director fees,
Even double pay for retiring while working,
Promises made of economic restructuring,
Or motivation of citizens' abilities,
Problems dismissed like rising costs of living,
As due to factors beyond leaders' control,
So men never changed for centuries,
They talked leadership and talents,
But more interested in power and monies,
People were left without hope,
Promised better lives only pipe dream,
Squeezed and taxed unable to survive,
Surpluses lost on Shin Corp and Barclay,
Or spent to buy votes with election goodies,
To pacify the restless peasant rebel,
Goodies were given before election day,
So elections became no contests,
People only voted the ruling party,
No sooner was election over than,
Than all goodies quickly taken back,
By GST and fees to pay their own salaries
Taxes not enough but schemes after schemes,
Of privatization to pay their own kind,
As rewards for loyalty or connection,
To keep the whole autocracy survive,
To exert control and suppress the people,
So low cost housing was made affordable,
By higher market price less a discount,
Called cheek-in-tongue market subsidy,
To protect their own greed and interests,
Rulers turned the newspapers into mouth-piece,
Reported good news and avoided bad ones,
Daily horror stories drummed into citizens
Selective statistics to portray past success,
Never a breath of wrongs in NKF,
Never question their own malpractices,
Till people were enraged with charity monies,
Spent on golden taps for own elites,
Little red dot stagnated without motivation,
Recessions came and went with no solution,
With no economic restructuring,
People had to suffer cuts of wage and CPF,
Businesses closed due to poor conditions,
The only solution is to open flood gate,
To import cheaper foreign labor,
In disgrace ruler broke his own oath,
Never to gamble except over his own dead body,
As final resort to economic restructuring,
Fortunate the world economy reovered,
So at the first sign of recovery,
Quick to campaign on own leadership as success,
By denying problems and hushing up NKFs,
By relegating losses as long-term investments,
People still hurting from recessions,
Business still suffer due to poor conditions,
But blamed on people for lack of skills,
For globalization or China or India factors,
Poor workers' wages dropped to the third,
To dissuade citizens from rallies,
Due to rising costs of living or medical care,
Iron-fisted laws were passed to declare,
No speeches or gathering of 5 in public,
Unable to account for people's own surpluses,
Or losses on Shin Corp or Barclay,
People stopped from withdrawing retirement savings,
Again and again hypocrisy after hypocrisy,
Like to cope with longer lives,
Retirements forfeited to longevity insurance,
This is the inside story of little red dot,
Judge for yourself denizens of the world,
Would you be made to pay all your life,
To keep leaders who scheme,
Wo tax and double tax for profits,
For faked success, with such hypocrisy,
On the outside all look good,
But inside the people ever suffering,
From want, suppressions and deprivations,
Even their age-old retirements forfeited,
For leaders' own greed and self-glory,
Look closely for red stain below the MRT.
Fancy will you tell such rulers of self,
As success story passing as great haven. -
you have an internet connection to the world
you are not starving to death
you are typing all this *($# in a public forum without people dragging you away
your family is not raped or murdered..
you have the ability to do whatever you want or need to do...
and all this, is due to the opposition..
right...
i don't like the MIW... but i recognise what they have done for the people, self-serving as they are, they have done some good..
so, go on, you can whinge and whine all you want.. it just takes your credibility further and deeper into the negative zone..
damn... with people like you, i FEAR for Singapore...
you are worse than the worst practices and cynicism of the MIW.. -
Actually, I am quite disappointed with what Mr low has said. But we can see this perhaps as a technique to divert PXP's big guns from pointing at them, ever since the last election.
But look at it this way, in my opinion, opposition SHOULD EXIST TO CRITICISE. There is no such thing as a 'good' 'all-rounded' policies. So it is critical that we do have opposition to provide alternative point of views, alternative solutions so as to ferret out all possible flaws, possible negative outcome of a certain policy. Ppls can also make better decision and all views,scope are well-covered. This is just like doing project, even if a member in the team has a brilliant idea, a rigorous debate must be done so as to ensure the idea is not too biased or extreme.........
Look done the memory lane, haven't we seem too many examples of so called "good policy-gone wrong"? The two is enough campaign seen large amount of efforts to utilise education, media to enforce the idea of controlling the population growth. All these "SG cannot handle a 4 million population, too large population bring more harm than good" is just based on one man's perception and prediction into the future. Had SGreans been more vocal and hardline back then, SG today will not need to beg PRCs, Indians to bcome citizens and the disaster can be adverted.
Many will say "hey the p65 PXP mps can act as the alternative voice, lift the party whip", in theory yes, but in practise no. Bcos p65 are at the end of the day, members of PXP, would a bright promising PXP mp volunteer to criticise, thus killing the goose that lays the golden eggs? No. Even foreigners in SG can see who is the most impt figures and which 'clan' holds the most power within the PXP circle, so dun expect those p65 to be a chivalrous knight to fight against the authority. Most prob his/her fate will be like that of pres Ong. Besides, most PXP scholar mps have been living a life of luxury with their 10k salary, so most prob they dun understand the issues of ppls living in poverty. -
A party that criticises another all the time cannot be an objective one.
Why can't many understand this basic principle?
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I'm sorry... but i would have to disagree.Originally posted by equlus84:Actually, I am quite disappointed with what Mr low has said. But we can see this perhaps as a technique to divert PXP's big guns from pointing at them, ever since the last election.
But look at it this way, in my opinion, opposition SHOULD EXIST TO CRITICISE. There is no such thing as a 'good' 'all-rounded' policies. So it is critical that we do have opposition to provide alternative point of views, alternative solutions so as to ferret out all possible flaws, possible negative outcome of a certain policy. Ppls can also make better decision and all views,scope are well-covered. This is just like doing project, even if a member in the team has a brilliant idea, a rigorous debate must be done so as to ensure the idea is not too biased or extreme.........
Opps... IMHO is task to counter check the govt and provide counter policy and ideas. Not complaint for the sake of complainting...... -
i believe Mr Low know what he is doing. maybe it might be one of his tactics to hit pap offguard?
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Come on, Mr Low sees a spade and calls it a spade, he doesn't say it is something else.
What's wrong with him prasing the PAP? The role of the Opposition in Singapore is 2 provide alternatives, as well as question the ruling party on policies that affects people. Their role is not to say that whatever PAP says is wrong. -
i wonder...
if the MIW does something right, it is the role of the opposition to criticise it?
sounds a lot like children going 'i don't friend you!' -
Li Ao has been right as we could observe here in this forum of Singaporeans who easily accepted a little upturn in property and share market as success and cleanly forget that the government basically is still the same self-serving and self-glorifying hypocrisy which has not changed in substance.Originally posted by the Bear:you have an internet connection to the world
you are not starving to death
you are typing all this *($# in a public forum without people dragging you away
your family is not raped or murdered..
you have the ability to do whatever you want or need to do...
and all this, is due to the opposition..
right...
i don't like the MIW... but i recognise what they have done for the people, self-serving as they are, they have done some good..
so, go on, you can whinge and whine all you want.. it just takes your credibility further and deeper into the negative zone..
damn... with people like you, i FEAR for Singapore...
you are worse than the worst practices and cynicism of the MIW..
We are still facing the big problems with rising cost of living due to many years of uncaring governing only to benefit the government and the state coffer.
The fact is that just because there has been a world recovery, after the recent deep recessions we are again seeing the same self-serving government being quick to claim superficial success and credit for itself forgetting the economy and country was built by the people's hard works and sacrificed.
It is just because of propaganda of a small upturn in the economy we are now fast believing that we are now doing well and would believe almost any claims of success by the government without much thought of the fundamentals and future sustainable true success.
Actually it is commonsense that if we want a good government we as a people must play an active role to express our views and alternative solutions and not be easily cowed into submissions to their propaganda. Worse is when we have a people who easily believe or fall prey to propagandas and lose sight of what is a good government.
We the people may be the ultimate cause of all the past wrong doings and NKFs as discovered because very few bother to correct the wrongs.
Let not the government take us people for granted and let us expect when we pay the government the world's highest salaries we really get them to perform like the best leaders to serve the people without propaganda or excuses.
The M/W must not do as they like and they must govern the country for their own narrow agenda and superficial success.
Let us check them and make them accountable and not lower our expectation for a job well done. We should tell them to carry on with their job and not always try to talk down on the people or keep using psychology to browbeat us or compare us again and again with the worse countries while they are paying themselves the highest salaries and claiming to be successful with arrogance and boasts. These are not signs of a good government at all.
Let us have some standard and expect the government to deliver the greatest benefits for the greatest number and not just for the rich and the elites and themselves to show a good report card which does not benefit the people.
So we should not accept or be conditioned by their propaganda of comparing with the worse and stop checking on their policies and actions such as by comparing us with "people who are starving to death and who have no internet to discuss problem"
Let us grow up as a mature people so that we could carry our heads high and not be subjected to all the suppressions and wrong doings.
When the time finally come to acknowledge the government good works we will really do so honestly and not be compelled to do so just because of their propaganda and hypocrisy.
So please do not shut out our eyes and ears and refuse to see anything else.
If we as a people is to help we must not easily be cowed by threats or hypocrisy of all kinds being drummed down on us through the powerful press controlled by the government.
We as a people have not elected a best first-world government yet who is prepared to correct their own past policy errors and mistakes and truly work honestly with integrity for the people.
This is where we cannot allow to fall into complacency and easily accept a few sweets and be satisfied.
The government is as good as the people. If we as a people are too simple minded and accept a little economic recovery as progress then we may one day ask for more trouble should the government fail to restructure the economy and there are more job losses and unemployment.
It is precisely because we have been complacent as a people that there are signs that we may not be doing well.
The only solution is to grow up and mature as a people who know what we want the government to achieve and not be too simple minded to accept propaganda just because of good presentation.
Otherwise we will regret when more harsh policies were to come down hard on us and it will be too late to expect any more change.
How much is enough and what good does the government do yet remain to be seen. -
they complain only during electionOriginally posted by kramnave:I don't ever recall PAP "always" complaining about opposition. -
agree, tactical move, more ppl will like him in this way, i wont be surprise come next election WP can win 1 or 2 GRC,Originally posted by 798:i believe Mr Low know what he is doing. maybe it might be one of his tactics to hit pap offguard? -
yes. i agree. smart move by Low n PAP wont like it.Originally posted by t_a_s:agree, tactical move, more ppl will like him in this way, i wont be surprise come next election WP can win 1 or 2 GRC, -
The Workers' Party (WP) will stay the course and work towards another watershed at the next general election (GE) 2011 to secure a GRC (Group Representation Constituency) ward.
This assurance was given by the Workers' Party's Secretary-General Low Thia Khiang at a dinner reception to celebrate the party's 50th anniversary.
Now, that's positive !